G15 PVE Dagger aka. ☆☆Blades of Bloodlust: Sky

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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    ylvina wrote: »
    And again another Sin that should delete his char

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  • JebakLesny - Dreamweaver
    JebakLesny - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    just get them not while ago. they quite nice, try to recast them over 10 times but didn't got luck.
    Once i have +2 atack lv. + 19 dex n MP, that was my best. after that got +crit, +MP. + srt+, +350 HP. +18 vit cet. cet, i'll try if i get more infb:chuckle
    most of the time was MP n srt :(
    oh n my first was +310MP, +310MP,+350 HP. Arcana sinb:laughb:laugh
    gl with yours Morai dags
  • JebakLesny - Dreamweaver
    JebakLesny - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    but they r 2 npc which they can recast, 1 need 60 corona emblen n 200k, 2nd only 45 emblen n 150k coins, dam, im left with only 10 inf b:angry, i'll try next day with the first1b:victory
  • ellero
    ellero Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    60 emblems npc change the stats only, but keeps sockets, shards,refine.
    45 emblems npc change everything... sockets, purge shards and refine b:bye

    So if ur wep is 1 soc and u dont like ur stats go for 45 one!
  • JebakLesny - Dreamweaver
    JebakLesny - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Clean G15 morai dags vs +6 R8
    They hit quite hard b:victory
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    the bow looks hotb:dirty
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  • Burgenstein - Harshlands
    Burgenstein - Harshlands Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I actually have the G15 daggers, had them for a few weeks now and just been too lazy to mention it on pwi's forums :P

    The stats on them i have now are 18 dex, 106 Physical attack and 1 defence lvl. (recasted twice to get those) the 60 slaying level adds 50% pve dmg (not quite sure how it works but thats what it says) But they are epic...

    The damage is very impressive, compared to my r8+7 and nirvana +5 , The bloodlusts are only +3 and hit almost as hard as my r8....that speaks for itself really.

    I tested all three daggers on a boss in Hell with just over a million hp, and timed how long it took to kill (using only demon spark and demon wolf , no genie debuffs etc to keep it a fair test)

    Interestingly the nirvana and r8 were less than a second out from each other, and the G15 morai was only 1-2 seconds behind that, due to the lower refine.

    http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/Burgenstein/PWI/2012-05-0512-18-24-1.jpg

    these daggers ARE as good as r8 or nirvana, and with the same refine would probably out DD both.

    The only thing is that the BP return is not as great as the nirvana, so of the 3 i would use nirvana for aps mode and morai/r8 for mass aoes (such as 3rd map grinding)

    apart from all that though, they have eyes that blink!!!! way cool O:
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  • JebakLesny - Dreamweaver
    JebakLesny - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Yep they eyes look so cool n Morai dags r more pretty than R8 b:victory
    recasted mine n got +1 atk lv, +1atk lv, +1% crit, 1 lv9 garnet Refine +3, dam, they hit same as +6 R8, i rly love them b:dirtyb:dirty
  • Traveezy - Lost City
    Traveezy - Lost City Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    but do they only to that good of dd against mobs, how are they in pvp? do they compare to r8 or nv in pvp or tw?
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traveezy - Lost City wrote: »
    but do they only to that good of dd against mobs, how are they in pvp? do they compare to r8 or nv in pvp or tw?

    Slaying Levels are PvE only.

    The Morai gear has Slaying and Warding levels to compensate for otherwise low stats. For example:
    G15 Morai +12: 1,147 - 1,395 damage (without other mods)
    R8 +12: 1,422 - 2,146 damage
    Backbiter +12: 1,104 - 1,339 damage

    So, in terms of PvP performace, the G15 Morai would be around TT90.
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  • Burgenstein - Harshlands
    Burgenstein - Harshlands Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Nah, in pvp they deal enough damage to kill an 'average' sin attacking me, probably closer to TT99 and LG95, although unless i was pvping for the 'funzies' i would stick with r8 for pvp, but killing people with blades of bloodlust just feels so right ;P
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Burgenstein - Harshlands wrote: »
    Nah, in pvp they deal enough damage to kill an 'average' sin attacking me, probably closer to TT99 and LG95, although unless i was pvping for the 'funzies' i would stick with r8 for pvp, but killing people with blades of bloodlust just feels so right ;P

    well, you got quite nice stats
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  • Burgenstein - Harshlands
    Burgenstein - Harshlands Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    true, but even then..they dont hit like a wet noodle even with crappy stats o.o
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Burgenstein - Harshlands wrote: »
    true, but even then..they dont hit like a wet noodle even with crappy stats o.o

    There's nothing about them that would even scratch me in PK or TW....
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    There's nothing about them that would even scratch me in PK or TW....
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »
    barb barb barb barb barb

    or bm or seeker or sin or archer or veno or psy
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    or bm or seeker or sin or archer or veno or psy

    i notice you didnt say cleric b:chuckle
  • Burgenstein - Harshlands
    Burgenstein - Harshlands Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    They still hit in the 1000's against most people ive killed with them (jumped as ive been questing with no time to change to r8) so they aren't that bad. Stun lock and people still go down pretty easy

    note. I'd still use r8 for pvp, just so happens ppl jumped me D:
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »
    i notice you didnt say cleric b:chuckle

    I don't have a cleric or I would have.
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I don't have a cleric or I would have.

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  • keihan007#7641
    keihan007#7641 Posts: 1,190 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    JebakLesny - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yep they eyes look so cool n Morai dags r more pretty than R8 b:victory
    recasted mine n got +1 atk lv, +1atk lv, +1% crit, 1 lv9 garnet Refine +3, dam, they hit same as +6 R8, i rly love them b:dirtyb:dirty

    Actually, 1% attack lvl is terrible addon on that wep. You want p.dmg addons. The slayer levels are major and when you can fix the terrible base stats with addons - the wep gets quite overwhelming compared to R8.
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  • Burgenstein - Harshlands
    Burgenstein - Harshlands Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Yeah, once my morai is up to +5 - +7 i think they will out DD everything else i have
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  • shipoo
    shipoo Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    An advice about people with R8, +9 or +10 ( sorry about my bad english level )
    Morai dont realy out DD R8.
    People want to belive Morai its superior but its not realy better it depend.


    if we dont considert bonus on Morai dagger

    At +9 Morai and R8:
    R8 max dmg is a litle higher than Morai max dmg
    R8 min dmg is a litle lower than Morai min dmg

    At +10 Morai and R8:
    R8 max dmg is almost same as Morai max dmg
    R8 min dmg is a litle lower than Morai min dmg

    R8 has a big advantage, 4% crit its alot, and you can pvp with it.
    The refine, morai, R8, R9 is same bonus +712 at +12 refine ( vana G15 its diferent +787), we dont have an extrat refine for G15 morai.

    What if we add Good bonus on Morai,
    people need to know
    Magic +18~19 - 10%
    HP: +350 - 19%
    MP +310 - 9%
    Vitality +18~19 - 20%
    Reduce Physical damage taken +2% - 5%
    Def. Level +1 - 2%
    Def. Level +2 - 1%
    its in total 65 % to get a bonus dont realy help at DD
    so to get 3 very usefull bonus (max phys atk, crit 2%, atk lvl 1 or 2, dex +19) it less than 1.5%
    Keep in mind you can reshape it 180 times per years, one time every two days, that can take an half year to get 3 usefull bonus.

    Morai can be good:
    if you dont pvp and if you +11 or +12 it in order to see a noticable diference.
    if you dont have R8.
    if u have R8 but in same time you are a lucky guy for bonus.

    Else its better to save time and money for Vana G13.
  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    could you show your dps calculations?
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    could you show your dps calculations?

    Agree with this one.

    If you're just basing things off of the numbers of min-max damage on the weapons and neglect the 60 slaying levels, then your calculations are way off.
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  • Burgenstein - Harshlands
    Burgenstein - Harshlands Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    having got the dags (with half decent stats) and as i've said before, in pve they hit harder than my +5 nirv, and nearly as hard as my +7 r8. I was 3rd map grinding and tested both the morai and the r8 under the same conditions, i was critting the mobs for 19.7k with morai, and 21k with r8 ( demon earthen) and when the morai is only +3, that speaks for itself..
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    could you show your dps calculations?
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Agree with this one.

    If you're just basing things off of the numbers of min-max damage on the weapons and neglect the 60 slaying levels, then your calculations are way off.

    Aww, the people are asking for math.

    Makes me kinda fuzzy.

    Also, LaTeX ftw.

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  • CritCat - Archosaur
    CritCat - Archosaur Posts: 608 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    ellero wrote: »
    So what do u guys think about the new daggers?

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/33529

    Cost 17mil to get and lot of questing to get them.. but does anyone know if its worth it??

    You get the daggers with 4 random stats and +60 slaying lvl. The random adds can be actually very good if u give enought trys to get em. Lets say:

    Maximum Physical Attack +106
    Maximum Physical Attack +130
    Dexterity +18~19
    Atk. Level +3 OR +2% Crit

    And the additional stat increase dmg vs mobs with 50-60 % /less than 60% people says/.

    The base p attack of the daggers is 435-683 wich means they average dmg is (435+683)/2 * 1.25 = 698,75

    They also can't come with -interval addon so 4 aps is max they could go.

    ............

    On other hand R8 daggers got same attack speed 2x Maximum Physical Attack +185 adds and +4% cti with base dmg 710-1064
    = 710+1064+185+185 /2 * 1.25 = 1340

    1340 average dmg and the 4% crit increase dmg 4% so 104% of 1340 is 1393,6 dmg with is 99.4% higher than the the average of g15 pve w/o stats (698,75).

    If the +60 slaying lvl add 60% more dmg, does that mean that the the rank 8 daggers still will have 40% more dmg?
    And those two weapons refine the same according to pwdatabase.

    Sorry for my english.. not my native lang.

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  • WnbTank - Archosaur
    WnbTank - Archosaur Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Aww, the people are asking for math.

    Makes me kinda fuzzy.

    Also, LaTeX ftw.

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    Oh I`d be interested to what sort of math they want done. With Morai dags there is so many possible calculations due the random addons and slaying levels, which gain more from refines than other weps. I got some old math somewhere and I`d say, average addons at +10 are ~15-20% more dps than R8, the better shards, the better Morai performs in comparison. I think perfect addons on Morai dags close to 50% more dps than R8, with +12 garnet gems, I should actually do the math for it when I can bother.
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I haven't used LaTeX in such a long time. xD

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