Is plvl-ing bad? What if a player learns the toon?

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  • MagicEmpress - Lost City
    MagicEmpress - Lost City Posts: 795 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Well starting at FB 69 a DD better be careful to learn not to take agro since Polearm can curse you then one shoot you. The cleric better know when and who to purify. The BM needs to time the dragons. It's the first FB when everyone has all their top 2 spark skills (level 59) and they better know how to use them.

    Of course if you have a 10x apser tanking then it doesn't matter. In the old days we ran or FBs with the characters within 10-20 levels of the instance (doing FBs or BHs).
  • Toliman - Raging Tide
    Toliman - Raging Tide Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    MagicEmpress - Lost City wrote: »
    Well starting at FB 69 a DD better be careful to learn not to take agro since Polearm can curse you then one shoot you. The cleric better know when and who to purify. The BM needs to time the dragons. It's the first FB when everyone has all their top 2 spark skills (level 59) and they better know how to use them.

    Of course if you have a 10x apser tanking then it doesn't matter. In the old days we ran or FBs with the characters within 10-20 levels of the instance (doing FBs or BHs).

    If, just if players will be able to do their bh51 (they skip it using FC now according above posts) killing Wyvern, then they will be able to learn simple things before fb69.
  • Manostra - Harshlands
    Manostra - Harshlands Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    As the Servers are now FCC and Hyper Leveling is the way to go. You wont find Squads in reasonable Timeframes for anything else and the Low and Mid Level Content is kinda useless from the rewards. The pulse of the game revolves around 101 and nobody recognize you before that.

    A Class itself is easy to learn, i must always laugh when someone say something like class ab is hard to learn and you need skill. They probably hard to MASTER but to become average even a braindeath zombie could manage to cope within a few days.

    Undergeared People are considered bad because overpowerd gear is the standard now. Its not their fault. Most instances would work with this **** gear but it need coordination and teamplay for it. But most people are so clueless because they have superior Health and resists and dont need any kind of plan to manage an instance.

    Undergeared Powerleveld new Players need room to make mistakes how else can they learn ? I dont like it too but i cant blame anyone to go this path. If i would start fresh over, i'd do the same thing.
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  • MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear
    MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Like an R9 cleric soloing BH 79. And tanking world bosses.

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  • mm2000
    mm2000 Posts: 218 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    MagicEmpress - Lost City wrote: »
    What is "learning the toon"?
    You really don't begin to learn what your toon can do until your 7x-8x and start having to do the hard stuff FB69/79/Frost.

    Please tell me you are trolling. FB79 is easily soloed by level 8x venoes without hercs... FB51 was harder than FB79. And frost? Again, that cave is beyond easy and is solable as well by 85, only people who fail at their class have a hard time with frost, you can glitch there very easily (bubble boss too and he's a weak boss, he's only hard on people who don't tank him). Please do not say this FB79 is challenging again because there's so much mobs there because I already soloed FB79 with a level 80 veno hercless veno. BH79 can be easily soloed by ANY CLASS 90+ (Maybe not archer).
  • Ajiuo - Harshlands
    Ajiuo - Harshlands Posts: 708 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    mm2000 wrote: »
    Please tell me you are trolling. FB79 is easily soloed by level 8x venoes without hercs... FB51 was harder than FB79. And frost? Again, that cave is beyond easy and is solable as well by 85, only people who fail at their class have a hard time with frost, you can glitch there very easily (bubble boss too and he's a weak boss, he's only hard on people who don't tank him). Please do not say this FB79 is challenging again because there's so much mobs there because I already soloed FB79 with a level 80 veno hercless veno. BH79 can be easily soloed by ANY CLASS 90+ (Maybe not archer).

    Tanked a few bosses in 79 with my archer, but I needed a charm and a cleric, so not soloable at 9x, unless maybe they were an APS archer. I'm sure a 100 5aps archer could though.
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    What I don't understand is people insisting on BB on the '79 bosses. Unless you're doing Linus and Brigand at the same time, BB's just a waste of mana.
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  • _Petal_ - Harshlands
    _Petal_ - Harshlands Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Massad - Harshlands wrote: »
    One of the issues at least on pvp servers is many say they want to quit the game or plvl after they hit lvl 30 because lvling and playing becomes almost impossible for them. They step outside safe zone and within a couple minutes boom they are dead by somebody at my lvl who complains there isn't enough pvp in the open world. To be honest on any character I have played in this game lvling 30-40 is the hardest and takes the longest amount time compared to all my other lvls (not including 103-105)

    Massad, you and I both know that back when we were leveling up our toons, PvP was NOT that big on an issue. Of course back then, we didn't have stupidly overpowered bullies like Catalyst--we had far less difficult-to-murder Zulu.

    But at least back then, half the time when I was being killed, it was by someone my level, or very close to it. Now there's nobody around your alt's level TO PvP against or be PvP'd by.

    In a PvP server, by level 30 it should immediately come to your attention that you should be paranoid by every single little green dot that moves in your general direction. Despite that however, these days I agree with you. it's absolutely pathetic how many times I've had to pull out my Psychic and threaten to kick in the ovaries and/or 'nads of whoever just murdered my poor little Seeker.


    Of course, world PvP wouldn't be so much of an issue if the GEAR GAP wasn't so RIDICULOUS. (hint hint, nudge nudge.) You will never stop d0uchey high level people from picking on people 70 levels lower than them, but putting a huge dent in PvP has not helped in the SLIGHTEST.
    They made fun of me because I wasn't a R8 Psychic...and then came third cast. It's not funny anymore.

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  • ZoracGallant - Raging Tide
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Like an R9 cleric soloing BH 79. And tanking world bosses.

    b:surrender

    I'm not r9 and I can solo every instance on my cleric, not even +10 on all my gears.

    Tanking a world boss and killing it no, well maybe every 3rd IH I could Plume shot it, but that would take a freak load of time to kill.

    There is no NEED for r9 in this game, but if you want to be so over powered that you'd have to be afk for 20 mins for anything to cause your charm to tick go ahead and waste your $$$ I don't mind.
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    _Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm not talking about Earthguards. I don't believe in legitimate 100+ Earthguards, because the time it takes to level a toon to 100 WITHOUT cheating is much longer than it used to be, because everybody ELSE is cheating!

    Look at my profile. You will see a 74 Venomancer, a 65 Seeker, a 34 Assassin, and a 100 Sage Psychic. On another account I have, I retired a 101 Sage Barbarian from Lost City after APS became popular, and I could no longer get instances. On that account I also own a 65 Mystic on Harshlands.
    I leveled these characters WITHOUT using Frost. I soloed my own BH's, because there WAS nobody else to squad with. From time to time, I got squads, but a majority of the time, either a 100 character takes pity on me and helps out, or I do it myself. (Protip: Without well-coordinated macros, playing both a tank and healer at the same time is quite annoying.)

    I think I deserve a little break, having legitimately leveled several toons to a decent level without resorting to cheating. I've seen other people who have around 5 or so 100+ characters, due to their sheer willpower and lack of social life. Don't they deserve a break?

    Despite that, I'm still well in favor of capping FC at 75+ where it was ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE IN THE FIRST PLACE. That's why you get the quest at that level. That's why you can't start a squad if someone below that level is in it!
    Why do I support it? Because it's stupidly easy to get to 75 if you actually PLAY THE GAME AS IT WAS MEANT TO BE.


    I don't encourage laziness, which is why I loathe PWE's new approach to (almost literally) spoonfeeding us this MMO.

    MMORPG's are supposed to be FUN.
    MMORPG's are supposed to be CHALLENGING.
    MMORPG's are supposed to be played with OTHER HUMAN BEINGS, not soloed in one instance and won with a credit card.

    And I'm sick of this game not getting the love and popularity it deserves because our management is too busy sucking every last penny out of its flagship franchise before it falls down on top of them.
    Do they not realize that their stocks are going to plummet face first when this happens? Do they not understand that people will leave other games like Forsaken World, or Star Trek Online, or Rusty Hearts? Don't they get that people tell other people NOT to play games from their company BECAUSE of these things that they're doing? They've been shafting our playerbase so hard it's a wonder we can sit down to play the game anymore!

    If you can't keep one of your best games afloat, why the hell should we play these other games? You clearly can't manage either.

    It's sad, because this game IS beautiful, and it USED to be fun. Now I tell everybody I know to stay the hell away from Perfect World Entertainment. We're moving to Bioware's new toy.

    So, I'm done. I only come back here these days to TW. If you need me, I'll be here in a galaxy far, far away. When I give these guys 15 dollars a month, they don't blow it up my a$$.
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  • /ork - Harshlands13
    /ork - Harshlands13 Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    P leveling is why there are so few new players. A healthy lower level player base attracts new players, empty quest areas don't.

    ^ This ^
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    ^ this.

    Almost nobody complained about the speed it took you to get to level 100 before hypers and frost. In fact, most players thought the leveling speed was fine as it was, though there were a few people that disagreed. I even took nearly 4 hours individually reading all of the threads through 6 months of pre-anniversary forum posts before I realized this.

    It was PWE who wanted people to get to end-game more quickly so they could start buying really expensive gears, not people complaining that led to private server status here.

    ^ and This ^
    _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Someone I know in real life got to 101 with absolutely NO FC. He did 1 BH on that toon.
    True story.

    You may not know me IRL, but I also leveled my main (created in 2009) from 1 to 102 without a single FCC (hit 102 this year)! (BH also didn't even exist until my main was about 8x or so)

    Of course most people do not believe me when I say this, but of course (like your RL friend) all my RL friends know for a fact that I'm not lying. Especially my wife, who is always playing PW herself, while sitting right next to me, while I'm playing :)
  • Elanxu - Dreamweaver
    Elanxu - Dreamweaver Posts: 521 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    plvling is a problem but its not the players fault for taking the easier way, cuz sooner or later someone will. its a problem caused by the gamemakers, and should not have been allowed because it invalidates those who worked hard to level.

    that being said, if you are a player and you can resist powerleveling, i got a ton more respect for you.
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  • Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear
    Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear Posts: 420 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    plvling is a problem tht is based on the players and the company itself. the players were the ones who came up with the idea but it was pw who started it and encouraged it by adding hyper stones into the normal game experience. FC should be limited to players that are either lvl 75 or 80 (recommend lvl 80 for FC). now with the noobs that run around thinking they are pro just by permasparking, all they are is just plain deadweight. im thinkin that the plvled noobs will fall and those tht learned their class, worked hard to get where they want to be will thrive.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    plvling is a problem tht is based on the players and the company itself. the players were the ones who came up with the idea but it was pw who started it and encouraged it by adding hyper stones into the normal game experience. FC should be limited to players that are either lvl 75 or 80 (recommend lvl 80 for FC). now with the noobs that run around thinking they are pro just by permasparking, all they are is just plain deadweight. im thinkin that the plvled noobs will fall and those tht learned their class, worked hard to get where they want to be will thrive.

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  • ZoracGallant - Raging Tide
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    work smart, not hardb:cute

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  • Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear
    Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear Posts: 420 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    work smart, not hardb:cute

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  • Nana_PL - Raging Tide
    Nana_PL - Raging Tide Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    No, pleveling is not a problem as long as u dont overdo it and still spend some time to actually learn how to play your class. The problem is when someone hits 100 in a month and doesnt know anything about the game or their own class. I had this situation once, during last x2 had this bm in nirvana squad.. 5 aps, lvl 101 blademaster. None of his gear was refined when i asked, why he wont get all of it to +3 or +4 at least since u can easily get there with mirages only and they're REALLY easy to farm at 100+ he said "I don't know what refines are" O_O that answer just killed me and made me leave the squad b:sweat b:infuriated
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  • MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear
    MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    MsDominatrix's facepalm moments for TODAY

    101 barb not knowing about how to roar and asked what is invoke.

    100 cleric choosing to red ball instead of BB for big room pull.

    Oh cue horror.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    MsDominatrix's facepalm moments for TODAY

    101 barb not knowing about how to roar and asked what is invoke.

    100 cleric choosing to red ball instead of BB for big room pull.

    Oh cue horror.

    meh :b

    caster nirvy, seeker says that he'll SS after wizzie undines
    after 1-2 bosses

    "why dont you undine <wizzie name>"
    "what's undine? is it a skill?"
    "..yeah 79"
    "ah dont have it"

    now why do i have a feeling that this would be more probable to happen to a wizzie that grinded his lvls than to a wizzie that did bh/fc...
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  • Toliman - Raging Tide
    Toliman - Raging Tide Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ...

    now why do i have a feeling that this would be more probable to happen to a wizzie that grinded his lvls than to a wizzie that did bh/fc...

    When Wizard kill magic resistant mobs during non-fc leveling he has 100% chance to understand, that without Undine Strike it is very hard.

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