Is plvl-ing bad? What if a player learns the toon?

Plvling isn't necessarily a bad thing depending if the player also takes time to do some quests and learn it's class at times (and I don't mean that you can stall the learning until you reached 80+ or something)... If you have the coin to spare then it's just a useful push in the back... But it does give the problem that you need to be a CSer to be able to do so... And if you spend all your coin on plvling you won't be able to farm enough for your armors and such...

Also it's the game's fault that so many players chose to plvl... It's early/mid-game lacks greatly for today's standards and since all the ppl just rush to 95+ as fast as they can because there isn't much to do at the lower lvles there also aren't many lower-lvles left to do stuff with... So eventually the player chooses to lvl up to 95+ as soon as possible so they will have more stuff to do... Simply adding more fun content that lower/mid-lvles can enjoy as well would probably solve it all and I think there will be a lot more newcomers and a lot less ppl paying for plvl's then...

Nothing wrong with power leveling, it is when power leveled, under geared people show up in BH 100+ and act arrogant that it becomes an issue for me.

I am in the process of power lvling some alts for buffs only, no idea how to play those classes, once i feel like it, i will get them gear and learn those classes. I know how to play my main, and i only play my main.

Im sure many people will agree with me. I have no problem with power levelers as long as they know how to play their class. However, its a shame that they will never play pwi for what it really was. That questing and grinding making tons of friends as you level was the best feeling of pwi.

P leveling is why there are so few new players. A healthy lower level player base attracts new players, empty quest areas don't.

The problem with the notion that plvl is bad for skills is that there are idiots that don't powerlevel. I can kill 80 mobs two lvs higher than me on my lv83 cleric, but so can player A,B,C,D,and E. I can heal in bh69 wined but so can cleric A,B,C,D but maybe not E cus E is a nub.
I can aoe grind mobs two lvs higher than me and heal in unwined bh 69 without anyone dying even once.
Do I need to?
No, I could stop being cheap and offer to buy wine. I could let my cat spam the button for my micro while grinding mobs one at a time.
'Skills' from questing/bh are overrated. I went on a fcc run for the second time yesterday. (The first time I went our squad leader/fac leader treated me badly so I avoided this for a while) Questing and bh didn't show me where to put bb. Other players that did the runs before showed me. Ty guys.

_Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »

Powerleveling is fine when you already have a 100+ toon and don't want to go through leveling another one in the same mannerism. We can tell you it's tedious because we ALREADY did it. We DESERVE that break. (Funny, people who rolled Assassins and Psychics before this abuse of FC occurred didn't seem to mind.)
Powerleveling is fine if you know the class.

Powerleveling is NOT fine when you can't get a BH squad because there's nobody to SQUAD WITH.
Powerleveling is NOT fine when a monkey with brain damage plays better than you.
Powerleveling is NOT fine when someone is too lazy to level.
Powerleveling is NOT fine when a company encourages it so they can force you to charge stupid amounts of money for endgame gear that's worth more than the price of a cheap used car.



Cons > Pros.

We lvl 100's also get the privilege to move our BH100 exp orbs through Account Stash... b:victory

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

P leveling is why there are so few new players. A healthy lower level player base attracts new players, empty quest areas don't.

^ this.

Almost nobody complained about the speed it took you to get to level 100 before hypers and frost. In fact, most players thought the leveling speed was fine as it was, though there were a few people that disagreed. I even took nearly 4 hours individually reading all of the threads through 6 months of pre-anniversary forum posts before I realized this.

It was PWE who wanted people to get to end-game more quickly so they could start buying really expensive gears, not people complaining that led to private server status here.

_Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »

Powerleveling is fine when you already have a 100+ toon and don't want to go through leveling another one in the same mannerism. We can tell you it's tedious because we ALREADY did it. We DESERVE that break. [/QUOT]

Deserve what break? I know a great lv 100 seeker who decided she wanted an alt. She rolled a cleric and fc'd 98% of her lv on the cleric. She thought she was good with it so she used her money to buy rank gear and connections to join a tw fac. She had also bullied many people because they did not lv the hard way on their first toon.

That was the worst cleric I've ever seen. She does not even dd. (Really, a metal mage for more dd would've been better) Besides rez I doubt she even has any lv10 spells. (If she has-she isn't using them)

And after all this... she still thinks of herself as a good cleric.
If you think it's tedious, don't do it again.
If you bring your alt fast with fc, expect no one to take you as any different than anyone else that fc'd.

plvl is fine when used in moderation, a lot of mmo's offer exp boost items to help the player power level but those players are still out in the game world having to quest and interact with others to gain the benefit.
where plvl becomes bad is in the case of xp instances like FF is that it pulls people away from the community that is one of the bread and butter life sources of an mmo

Yeaves - Archosaur wrote: »

Deserve what break? I know a great lv 100 seeker who decided she wanted an alt. She rolled a cleric and fc'd 98% of her lv on the cleric. She thought she was good with it so she used her money to buy rank gear and connections to join a tw fac. She had also bullied many people because they did not lv the hard way on their first toon.

That was the worst cleric I've ever seen. She does not even dd. (Really, a metal mage for more dd would've been better) Besides rez I doubt she even has any lv10 spells. (If she has-she isn't using them)

And after all this... she still thinks of herself as a good cleric.
If you think it's tedious, don't do it again.
If you bring your alt fast with fc, expect no one to take you as any different than anyone else that fc'd.

Clerics are supposed to DD when in a team?b:puzzled I thought we never DD unless the team's not squishy or there's another cleric in the squad and the 2 clerics have determined before hand who is healing and who is DDing. Personally i think most clerics have a healing mindset, where we just think we need to heal. I have never DD before reaching 100.

And I think plvling is perfectly fine if someone knows how to play their class. I mean I lvled the hard way, questing and BH, to lvl75, then I use FCC and BH to lvl to 100. I actually learned how to play my class in FCC. The fast moving speed of the squads and the advice of other team mates made my playing style much better than it used to be.

I agree that as long as people do learn the character that they are either plvi-ing them selves or getting plvied by another then no biggie but many do not bother with learning how to play their character or class so they end up being less then helpful when running a dungeon and tend to get others killed. My main is a veno and I know how to play her quite well and I find it funny these days when the other players forget just what veno's can do. So they use their genies to pull and when they are in cool down forgot to ask me to pull some. Mostly I offer to pull so as to make things easier and I bramble the BM's and Barbs but ask the sins if they want bramble as well. As for my other toons I did each of them the old fashion way I quest leveled each of them and when BH's could be ran I asked my friends for help. I think plving is a mixed bag and can be either good or bad but it dose depend on the player if it turns out to be a good thing or not.

MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But plvl is not to be blamed for stupid people not knowing their class.

I've seen people who took years playing their toon and still don't know how to balance between skills, amps and heals (if we look at clerics, venos and stuff).

Some BMs don't know when to stun, when to marrow... I don't think it's plvl, but player ignorance, is it not?

So NOT true. Power leveling is not just from FC alone, you have no idea how those people who took years of "playing" their toons and still know not how to play. Before the quickest way to power level...

Higher levels doing quests for the lower levels (either alt from a different perspective, friend, etc) while the lower level either flies around or just sits there, that was the years they took to "play" this game and not know the skills. They end up not being able to level to 60 on their own before these huge insane amount of new quests and dailies because they were depending on others, without them, they either quit the game or re-roll another toon back then because they cannot take the pressure of different kinds of mobs on a certain class in that situation (gank usually). Like a wizard skipping archer mobs because they kill him / her so easy because they have range too and not realizing they have inferior range and also half damage at close range, all that idiot had to do was kite the mob with gush and bam, the mob can't reach you.

Also back then, you have no idea if that person playing on that account are sharing accounts to someone else and that idiot buys the account and not know the skills. Heals, amps and attacks such as flesh ream. There was no reliance on this stupid blood paint back then either. If they did "not" power level and still don't know how to play, don't you think they would be screwed back then because they don't know how to use skills? Unless they fail at reading comprehension or just don't know English, then yes they don't know.

That's when some BMs for those that did not don't know when to stun or marrow, especially these so-called fist / claw bms don't even freaking use shadowless kick with the right timing because it will make them kill slower rather than cancelling an insane magic attack from bosses and ends up getting killed because they stupidly just APS till something dies, which usually on semi-magic bosses that hit insane magic attack on them and ends up getting 2 shot if they don't cash shop. They might as well cash shop because they fail at playing BM seriously.

Yeaves - Archosaur wrote: »

_Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »

Powerleveling is fine when you already have a 100+ toon and don't want to go through leveling another one in the same mannerism. We can tell you it's tedious because we ALREADY did it. We DESERVE that break.

Deserve what break? I know a great lv 100 seeker who decided she wanted an alt. She rolled a cleric and fc'd 98% of her lv on the cleric. She thought she was good with it so she used her money to buy rank gear and connections to join a tw fac. She had also bullied many people because they did not lv the hard way on their first toon.

That was the worst cleric I've ever seen. She does not even dd. (Really, a metal mage for more dd would've been better) Besides rez I doubt she even has any lv10 spells. (If she has-she isn't using them)

And after all this... she still thinks of herself as a good cleric.
If you think it's tedious, don't do it again.
If you bring your alt fast with fc, expect no one to take you as any different than anyone else that fc'd.

I'm not talking about Earthguards. I don't believe in legitimate 100+ Earthguards, because the time it takes to level a toon to 100 WITHOUT cheating is much longer than it used to be, because everybody ELSE is cheating!

Look at my profile. You will see a 74 Venomancer, a 65 Seeker, a 34 Assassin, and a 100 Sage Psychic. On another account I have, I retired a 101 Sage Barbarian from Lost City after APS became popular, and I could no longer get instances. On that account I also own a 65 Mystic on Harshlands.
I leveled these characters WITHOUT using Frost. I soloed my own BH's, because there WAS nobody else to squad with. From time to time, I got squads, but a majority of the time, either a 100 character takes pity on me and helps out, or I do it myself. (Protip: Without well-coordinated macros, playing both a tank and healer at the same time is quite annoying.)

I think I deserve a little break, having legitimately leveled several toons to a decent level without resorting to cheating. I've seen other people who have around 5 or so 100+ characters, due to their sheer willpower and lack of social life. Don't they deserve a break?

Despite that, I'm still well in favor of capping FC at 75+ where it was ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE IN THE FIRST PLACE. That's why you get the quest at that level. That's why you can't start a squad if someone below that level is in it!
Why do I support it? Because it's stupidly easy to get to 75 if you actually PLAY THE GAME AS IT WAS MEANT TO BE.


I don't encourage laziness, which is why I loathe PWE's new approach to (almost literally) spoonfeeding us this MMO.

MMORPG's are supposed to be FUN.
MMORPG's are supposed to be CHALLENGING.
MMORPG's are supposed to be played with OTHER HUMAN BEINGS, not soloed in one instance and won with a credit card.

And I'm sick of this game not getting the love and popularity it deserves because our management is too busy sucking every last penny out of its flagship franchise before it falls down on top of them.
Do they not realize that their stocks are going to plummet face first when this happens? Do they not understand that people will leave other games like Forsaken World, or Star Trek Online, or Rusty Hearts? Don't they get that people tell other people NOT to play games from their company BECAUSE of these things that they're doing? They've been shafting our playerbase so hard it's a wonder we can sit down to play the game anymore!

If you can't keep one of your best games afloat, why the hell should we play these other games? You clearly can't manage either.

It's sad, because this game IS beautiful, and it USED to be fun. Now I tell everybody I know to stay the hell away from Perfect World Entertainment. We're moving to Bioware's new toy.

So, I'm done. I only come back here these days to TW. If you need me, I'll be here in a galaxy far, far away. When I give these guys 15 dollars a month, they don't blow it up my a$$.