Are BMs inferior to psychics?

Kerona - Sanctuary · March 2012

Dai_Viper - Archosaur wrote: »

why would u try to tank as a psy?

I view this as the fatal flaw in many PvP psy on Sanctuary...

mkl0011 · March 2012

The way i see it.

Melee is inferior to casting classes. Casting class is inferior to ranged classes. Ranged classes are inferior to melee. This may not be quite true nowadays ,but that's how i think the game designers intended it to be, however they probably didn't calculate every single nook and cranny so the classes have been unbalanced in their abilities.

But with classes like seekers and sins this balance is a bit interrupted as well.

Honestly My main is a lvl 70 bm, and in my opinion, now that i see how other classes fair, BM's kinda suck now. When it comes to ranking all the classes, a bm to me would be some what near the bottom.

Of coarse the main reason BM's suck now in my opinion is because of the new classes. Before earth guards and tideborns, BM's were the only DD melee class. But nowadays The only melee class BM's can do more damage than is Barbs. Even seekers have become better tanks than BM's, plus, even when the BM tanks, the sin or vortex seeker takes aggro and they tank just fine as long as the cleric constantly heals. The only thing Bm's are good for nowadays is stuns and HF along with DD fists(which is somewhat powerful)But with all the damage the seekers put out including their AOE's, it seems as if seekers have become the better replacement for BM's.

And sadly since i have no other high lvl character, im going to stick with my BM and try to make the most of it.

Dai_Viper - Archosaur · March 2012

Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »

I view this as the fatal flaw in many PvP psy on Sanctuary...

i see over 90% psychics are playing tanking style. They stay in white and buff Soul of Stunning first, then wait for their opponents hit on it, switch to black voodoo, 3 spark... "I got u hun"b:laugh.
Honestly, this tactic only works on those ppl who dont know anything about psy skill, and if they do, psy will have a hard time of killing.b:bye

back to main topic: do u think BM can roll a psychic as the same lvl?

vaicase · April 2012

I am a R9 +12 JoSD BM, Against psychics with similar and even better gear and in a fair fight (self buffs), I win all the time. Although I have built my character and learnt to fight psychics...I think this shows that if you learn to fight each class and build your character right then you will have no disadvantage...my only struggle is Archers and assassins. they kill me everytime. and I can't kill barbs and other bm's and seekers. but I'm not built to fight phys classes. I am currently working on a new gear set for this reason which is not R9 but will help me against the phys classes.

Dai_Viper - Archosaur · April 2012

vaicase wrote: »

I am a R9 +12 JoSD BM, Against psychics with similar and even better gear and in a fair fight (self buffs), I win all the time. Although I have built my character and learnt to fight psychics...I think this shows that if you learn to fight each class and build your character right then you will have no disadvantage...my only struggle is Archers and assassins. they kill me everytime. and I can't kill barbs and other bm's and seekers. but I'm not built to fight phys classes. I am currently working on a new gear set for this reason which is not R9 but will help me against the phys classes.

I wonder who you are???

Maelael - Heavens Tear · April 2012

Dai_Viper - Archosaur wrote: »

I wonder who you are???

103 BM on LC - Core Connect is a neat thing.

back to main topic: do u think BM can roll a psychic as the same lvl?

Noob perspective from me: If equal geared - it comes down to skill, genie, and timing really. A lot about knowing the Psy skills. Psys are extremely versatile, and definitely one of the harder opponents.

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands · April 2012

Dai_Viper - Archosaur wrote: »

i see over 90% psychics are playing tanking style. They stay in white and buff Soul of Stunning first, then wait for their opponents hit on it, switch to black voodoo, 3 spark... "I got u hun"b:laugh.
Honestly, this tactic only works on those ppl who dont know anything about psy skill, and if they do, psy will have a hard time of killing.b:bye

back to main topic: do u think BM can roll a psychic as the same lvl?

do 105s get a new avatar?

MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear · April 2012

This is a headache LOL.

wantednoobslayer · April 2012

lmao psychics only mainly win with their csed r9 rest of time they are nothing compared to archers since u can marrow them with magic but marrowing a archer is different when they got p and m attack

TheDan - Sanctuary · April 2012

wantednoobslayer wrote: »

lmao psychics only mainly win with their csed r9 rest of time they are nothing compared to archers since u can marrow them with magic but marrowing a archer is different when they got p and m attack

Demon bell and mage marrow + phys def charm spam works just fine against archers, heh. The only thing scary about archers is their purge, but other than that they aren't very hard to kill. My trouble is other R9 BMs/Barbs/Seekers that are full JoSD... stalemate with a lot of charm ****.

But for any other classes, genie set up really is the determining factor between winning and losing between equally geared players.

MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear · April 2012

Bleh, I take back what I said.

I love BMs, no matter what. Hrumph!

Out_BM - Archosaur · April 2012

Through reading all this there was never even 1 mention that BMs can hit through Psy will and Expel, does no other BM realize how good Demon Drakes Breath Bash can be? Granted having the chi to use this skill can be equally tough but, there is also apo you can have that adds element damage to each hit you give, so say, you're 5aps hitting a psy that is expel'd or in psy will, and say that psy is taking maybe only 300 damage per hit (lets just say that's the damage) that's 1500 damage per second if you're 5aps, all this time they are in expel you can be stunning them and keep hitting them (side note the apo lasts 2miins granted you'd risk being on CD for like IG or anything else).

Also not all BMs go R9, alot just stick to nirvana +10 even, I've got +10 Nirvana fulling vit stoned/ with TT99 Boots/wrists. 15.3k hp unbuffed with a base vit of 3. Granted my ornas aren't where I'd like them to be only +6 cause these orbs sales fail hardcore ._..

Lot of skills like Sword kills if you have a good sword or maybe even a crappy one, Demon Mage bane can be a pain in the you know what for magic classes. MSS can 1 shot alot of magic classes (depending on your sword). Poles, almost no one uses meteor rush any more, and demon has a chance to stun and be annoying. Most of us would have purge pole and maybe even Zerk pole to back it up. If you're super into your BM Nirvana G15 is the way to go, Instead of R9 axe I made myself G15 axe Wheel of Warfog with GoF +19 str and 18+ dex (dex and str might be backwards) suppose I could link my toons build at some point lol.

Equally gear'd Psy will have a hard time killing a BM that knows what they are doing. Alot of it counts on you catching them in black voodoo and dealing the damage there. In white you just gotta keep chi'ing off them best you can lol.

If you're super into pk Genies are gunna be your best friend, along with apo and magic charms.

Anyway I'll check back eventually for the ppl I know are going to have something to say and talk more trash, but yea just think about all your skills you'd never use and what they actually do GOOD LUCK BMs

TheDan - Sanctuary · April 2012

Out_BM - Archosaur wrote: »

Through reading all this there was never even 1 mention that BMs can hit through Psy will and Expel, does no other BM realize how good Demon Drakes Breath Bash can be? Granted having the chi to use this skill can be equally tough but, there is also apo you can have that adds element damage to each hit you give, so say, you're 5aps hitting a psy that is expel'd or in psy will, and say that psy is taking maybe only 300 damage per hit (lets just say that's the damage) that's 1500 damage per second if you're 5aps, all this time they are in expel you can be stunning them and keep hitting them (side note the apo lasts 2miins granted you'd risk being on CD for like IG or anything else).

Also not all BMs go R9, alot just stick to nirvana +10 even, I've got +10 Nirvana fulling vit stoned/ with TT99 Boots/wrists. 15.3k hp unbuffed with a base vit of 3. Granted my ornas aren't where I'd like them to be only +6 cause these orbs sales fail hardcore ._..

Lot of skills like Sword kills if you have a good sword or maybe even a crappy one, Demon Mage bane can be a pain in the you know what for magic classes. MSS can 1 shot alot of magic classes (depending on your sword). Poles, almost no one uses meteor rush any more, and demon has a chance to stun and be annoying. Most of us would have purge pole and maybe even Zerk pole to back it up. If you're super into your BM Nirvana G15 is the way to go, Instead of R9 axe I made myself G15 axe Wheel of Warfog with GoF +19 str and 18+ dex (dex and str might be backwards) suppose I could link my toons build at some point lol.

Equally gear'd Psy will have a hard time killing a BM that knows what they are doing. Alot of it counts on you catching them in black voodoo and dealing the damage there. In white you just gotta keep chi'ing off them best you can lol.

If you're super into pk Genies are gunna be your best friend, along with apo and magic charms.

Anyway I'll check back eventually for the ppl I know are going to have something to say and talk more trash, but yea just think about all your skills you'd never use and what they actually do GOOD LUCK BMs

The examples were used in comparison of a R9 +12 BM vs R9 +12 Psychic, so the examples given above are relevant to something an end game BM would do with maxed gear. I didn't go into detail about anything non-R9.

Drake's Breath Bash was viable when Cancel Casting was still a feature, but that is exactly the same reason why no one uses it anymore; 2 sparks isn't worth it. It costs 2 sparks that could have better been used for stun-locking + Dragon Baning + HFing and hoping for Zerk Crit on Axes. You can still stun-lock over expel and Psychic Will with whirlwind + Roar and whip out fists fast for chi until they are ready to be Drake Bashed.

Mage Bane and MSS are even worse skills to use against R9 +12 Psychics as you won't get R9 attack levels to go with it, and they are spark heavy in cost. Purge spears are about the only thing still viable for end-game PvP, but even that is completely worthless in a self-buffed 1v1. Demon Meteor Rush and Aoelian Blade are nice skills to use when your BM runs out of chi, they're % chance to stun but require no chi.

5 APSing a R9 +12 psychic is utter stupidity imo. You're going to get sealed within the first second and most likely get 1 shot in interval gear. Apoth is better utilized for White Tea for a quick HF when you expect a psychic's apoth/genie/Psychic Will are in cool-down while stun-locking them. I'd take the 200% damage over 9 seconds for a quick DPH spam with Dragon Bane (Possible 800% Physical Damage on Zerk Crit HF) over a 30% increase in damage for 2 minutes (400% Physical. 120% Magical Damage on Zerk Crit Elemental, which will get reduced heavily by the mage def of physics).

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