New x2 coming.. any chance to remove the damm talismans for caster nirvy?

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Any chance to remove the damm talismans from caster nirvy so casters can at least get some profit from nirvy during x2? I will love to have a reply from Frankie, a moderator a Gm, the guy that clean the windows on the pw office... someone! this is unfair and everybody knows it ....

as a caster, id say no.

How come you want to see something glitched again? It's against logicb:chuckle

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Any chance to remove the damm talismans from caster nirvy so casters can at least get some profit from nirvy during x2? I will love to have a reply from Frankie, a moderator a Gm, the guy that clean the windows on the pw office... someone! this is unfair and everybody knows it ....

That would be nice.
...but highly unlikely.

Monkeytoes - Sanctuary wrote: »

where did anyone say anything about a glitch?
it only makes sense that caster nirvana have the same requirement (ie. keys) that normal nirvana has seeing as casters don't get taken to regular nirvana

From the aspect of running game, the simple existence of casters Nirvana is iffy at best. If normal Nirvana had magical immunity, then there would be a case but as it is now, casters simply got an extra instance with better droprates as far as I`ve heard. I really cant understand all this QQ bout talismans, you casters really should roll axe barb/another class that is even behind you on picking order & w/o handout instance. You guys got a handout and you are whining `cause you cant farm more efficiently than people whom have distinctly more expensive gear than you, lol.

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Any chance to remove the damm talismans from caster nirvy so casters can at least get some profit from nirvy during x2? I will love to have a reply from Frankie, a moderator a Gm, the guy that clean the windows on the pw office... someone! this is unfair and everybody knows it ....

how is it unfair .. you can still run normal nirvana runs like everyone else .. giving you same drop rate

RedWiz - Raging Tide wrote: »

Tell u what. Put timer on keys then see the APS QQ about not being able to farm nirvana during 2x drops.b:cry

+1000

/10chars

Monkeytoes - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol i have both and can do either nirvana, and i think the talisman requirement should be removed...its just stupid
and saying that casters should just roll aps is even more ****, not to mention a double edged sword
if casters that dont like the talisman requirement should just roll aps, then the apsers QQing about caster vana should just roll a caster, no?

oh and i'd be fine with keeping talismans if the time limit were removed and they were made stackable...casters should have the same opportunity as aps to stack keys to use during 2x, but right now they can't

as far as drop rate...it CAN be better, but you can also get nothing from bosses, there is no set number of drops as there is in regular nirvana
the bosses drop the same exact chests as the bosses in regular nirvana (with a random drop rate as opposed to the set # in regular, i believe max is 4) and there are 2 fewer bosses in caster....so it really does balance out in the end

oh and 1 last thing (lots of edits lol)...caster requires a talisman AND a key, so it really isnt an "extra" instance but more a "replacement" instance

My good god you completely missed the point and assumed something I never said. I never said anything bout rolling aps. What I said is is that casters can form squads themselves, take those axe barbs in too. The only thing preventing you from doing that is being lazy and not willing to see the effort.

Now I`d expect pretty much any squad would take R8+10 Psy into casters nirvana as pretty much no brainer. For the amount spent on that psy, you really wouldnt gear aps toon that actually gets squads. With the amount even the average aps toons spend, it only makes sense they are more efficient.

Casters Nirvana is handout for how playerbase does discriminate casters. But it still is a handout and if it was more powerful way to farm than aps - It would completely break whatever balance is left in Nirvana. Normal Nirvana lets anybody farm it, some better than others but if it was other way around, casters with better farming instance that non casters cant even do? Do you even understand how ludicrous it would be?

Ps. Still waiting for tank Nirvana, we need our handout too.

RedWiz - Raging Tide wrote: »

Tell u what. Put timer on keys then see the APS QQ about not being able to farm nirvana during 2x drops.b:cry

So you want timers on both your keys now? Newsflash you still get those stackable keys too. b:bye

Let's get rid of the 99 key quest too. It's totally unfair how those with like 5 Lv. 100+ alts make loads of cash off that.

Monkeytoes - Sanctuary wrote: »

no one said they weren't allowed....the problem is, the vast majority of them can't find squads that will take them...so whats wrong with them having their own instance in which to farm and in the same manner that aps people can farm?

So tell me, how do people farm up to what they have? Who takes the BMs with +2 gears and 2.22aps? Do we need easy-mode NV for suck geared players too?

What's wrong is that here is a perfectly good instance that is available for all classes to participate in, yet casters got an extra instance with better drops, and now casters think they're so special that they should be able to farm in this instance as much as anyone else can farm in the regular instance, because the regular instance isn't special enough. What's the manner in which APS people farm? Beat at boss til it dies? Do casters have to do it differently or something when they enter regular NV?

Why don't APS chars reroll if they want to do something casters are better at...the answer is, they already have. Ever since Jone's Bless, APS chars are placed in a much less prominent role in TW, and many have later rerolled ranged classes. How many R9 BMs and sins are there on the server compared to the number of R9 archers and wizards? If all the APS chars are so rich farming it up, then how come most BMs and sins on the server are not R9? Maybe it's because they rerolled...and invested all the farm on their casters.

On the other hand, how many R9 casters have APS farming alts in practice? Is it really a case that the majority of the casters can't farm, or is it just the ones that are too stubborn to have alts? What, are sins, archers, and bms just so unenjoyable that some casters refuse to play with them? That sounds like a personal problem to me. Would I reroll a wizard if some future update dictates that wizards are better farmers? I already have a wizard.

Also, cut the bull**** about caster NV having the chance to drop worse, yeah...Lucigold quest can give Scroll of Tome too. Most players who participate in caster NV would say and have said that each run is pretty much as good as a 99key run. If caster NV was in general not dropping as well as a 99key, then they wouldn't tell people that would they? Besides, archers can run caster too, it's not like I don't know what it's like.

I tell you the truth u all might know but u are too foolish to believe it. If I were a PWE Manager I would say something like this:"Buy you're ****** gears with rl money, we wanna keep this game alive. Don't beg us for ways with which u could avoid paying with real money!" Kono-Yaro, Baka-Yaro....yeah. Fool, ya Fools. Appreciate that Caster Nirvana even exists and pray that it will stay, cuz if I would be a manager at PWE's I would just delete it from game. U all act like little babys vrying for more and more and more. there is no other way of serious farming cept with an aps-alt, dont be stupid, casters deal way too low dps, they die fast...what do you expect =? That PWE jumps when u snap your fingers =? Dream on kids!

shashahah wrote: »

not
theres a lot of ppl who dont play much and/or who only got chars with which they cant find any nirv squad cos of non-aps or too squishy for caster (which has a ridiculously high gear requirement), and 99key is the only chance they can get some money/rid of their keys

and if its so unfair, dont QQ about it and make some alts urself instead.


edit: btw, why does every1 cry for frankie/ a GM? i guess u didnt get it that GM does NOT equal dev

Sarcasm dude. Sarcasm.

Monkeytoes - Sanctuary wrote: »

do people not know it takes a key just to enter the instance? caster uses a tali AND a key

Want a cookie? You get better drops then normal nirvana (that you can still run anyway). PWI went out of it's way to give you something just for casters to enjoy and you ***** and complain about it. You got something that benefits you and not APS, now stop ******** about it and enjoy it.

PS I went out and made a veno to run caster nirvana, so to all you casters make an APS toon and stop complaining. b:cute

gobroncos wrote: »

I don't even know where to start with your logic.

First, you are right low geared physical attackers will have a hard time finding a sqaud for a normal nirvana run same as if a caster wanted to do one. The difference is the low geared physical attackers could in theory run them on their own all be it much slower then the current aps that rule that instance. Casters on the other hand would not be able to do that instance without a physical attacker (r9 op exception). The mobs in regular nirvana not only beat the **** out of a caster but our damage is so reduced that it takes forever to kill them.

Second, I find many less players that have rerolled a caster then those that rerolled to an aps character. Maybe, they rerolled the aps to develop their caster but I still do not find many that tell me they rerolled from a 5 aps sin to make a wizard.

Third, as it goes for farming there are many ways to do it but ever since nirvana was developed it is by far the goto location to make quick coin. Regardless of weather there should or shouldn't be a second nirvana doesn't matter because there is. We compare them and I for one am happy that we have the instance and can live with its current set up. Having said that having to have a talisman and a key is pretty crappy and on top of it the talisman having a timer AND not stackable....come on that is a lot.

Last, the drops over all are probably better then regular nirvana but really I have had many runs that are 3/1, 4/1 and even 0 raps sadly fairly often. If you do enough runs you will get a good run but in the end like someone else pointed out it really does balance itself out with the fact that not only do you have a chance to get something other then a canny but you also have a chance to get 0 chests at all.

Nothing is ever right or fair from one point of view or the other but really everyone has the right to QQ from their perspective....so I guess carry on.

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4 lines should be about right.
First of all, you can take a entire squad of casters into regular nirvana and finish, you don't need a physical attacker... it's called get a veno and learn to play your class.
Second, you know why there are more people that roll caster to aps then aps to caster. It's because aps didn't really exist for the first 1.5 to 2 years of PWI.
Lastly, how many 3/1 4/1 runs have u gotten? The probability of getting those drops in caster is astronomical, so don't lie....

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

So tell me, how do people farm up to what they have? Who takes the BMs with +2 gears and 2.22aps? Do we need easy-mode NV for suck geared players too?

What's wrong is that here is a perfectly good instance that is available for all classes to participate in, yet casters got an extra instance with better drops, and now casters think they're so special that they should be able to farm in this instance as much as anyone else can farm in the regular instance, because the regular instance isn't special enough. What's the manner in which APS people farm? Beat at boss til it dies? Do casters have to do it differently or something when they enter regular NV?

Why don't APS chars reroll if they want to do something casters are better at...the answer is, they already have. Ever since Jone's Bless, APS chars are placed in a much less prominent role in TW, and many have later rerolled ranged classes. How many R9 BMs and sins are there on the server compared to the number of R9 archers and wizards? If all the APS chars are so rich farming it up, then how come most BMs and sins on the server are not R9? Maybe it's because they rerolled...and invested all the farm on their casters.

On the other hand, how many R9 casters have APS farming alts in practice? Is it really a case that the majority of the casters can't farm, or is it just the ones that are too stubborn to have alts? What, are sins, archers, and bms just so unenjoyable that some casters refuse to play with them? That sounds like a personal problem to me. Would I reroll a wizard if some future update dictates that wizards are better farmers? I already have a wizard.

Also, cut the bull**** about caster NV having the chance to drop worse, yeah...Lucigold quest can give Scroll of Tome too. Most players who participate in caster NV would say and have said that each run is pretty much as good as a 99key run. If caster NV was in general not dropping as well as a 99key, then they wouldn't tell people that would they? Besides, archers can run caster too, it's not like I don't know what it's like.

where to even begin.....

while everyone CAN run regular, a large portion of the players here seem to have missed that memo and a caster can only nirvana if they can get a squad

as gobroncos said, a squad full of casters would have a very very difficult time completing regular nirvana on their own (i wouldn't be suprised if they couldn't finish at all w/o at least 1 ha to tank)

who can/should/does reroll different characters at this point is also kind of moot since most people i know do in fact have multiple lvl 100 chars...i just like throwing "roll a caster" in the faces of those whose response was always "roll aps" and now QQ that casters get their own

also at this point, a large portion of bms and sins are farming alts, who would r9 a farming char? sins as mains idk, haven't even looked at sin r9 tbh, but most bms that are mains already have mostly, if not full nirvana gear and imo the benefits of r9 over full nirvana just doesn't justify the cost (for a bm), so seeing few r9 bms really doesn't suprise me...i have seen quite a few that have rolled archers/wizards and r9'd those chars, so i'm guessing they don't think r9 on a bm is worth it either....if it were simply not having the coin you wouldn't see bms rerolling vana fists/claws over and over and over again to get the perfect stats, that shet ain't free

lastly, OF COURSE casters are gonna brag about the good runs and **** about the bad ones lol
how long did they get left out?
bragging about good runs is a big ole EFF UUU to the aps people that left the casters out (and therefore are the ones responsible for caster being implemented in the first place)

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Want a cookie? You get better drops then normal nirvana (that you can still run anyway). PWI went out of it's way to give you something just for casters to enjoy and you ***** and complain about it. You got something that benefits you and not APS, now stop ******** about it and enjoy it.

PS I went out and made a veno to run caster nirvana, so to all you casters make an APS toon and stop complaining. b:cute

depends....do you have thin mints? i thin mints b:dirty
and last i checked i had an archer avatar so I don't what this YOU get a better instance business is all about lol i don't caster on here, i save my keys for 2x b:laugh...i just think casters should be able to do the same