Why are there so few newcomers?

SoulRequiem - Sanctuary wrote: »

For sure PWI has the most pessimistic/QQnerdrage community I've ever seen lol.

PW isn't that bad,its just people that get tired of it can't quit and instead they rageout in the forum.

If you can't quit it,means its not that bad eh.

I means that not all new players want to be Assassins as you.


Read following post and reply to it, that 5 APS only have possibility to play in this game.

princespectre wrote: »

Hello guys,


Reading the title makes sense, so I won't be giving much time for intro.

So here it goes, I played a variety of online games before and I would say my gameplay is a caster material. I love seeing bodies lie on the floor before they could've touch me with my destructive spell imbued with high quality effects. (I love seeing huge and massive damage alongside with having good visuals) Though I'm looking forward for a decent survivability. b:dirty

I would like being needed by squads esp. during TW, but I'm likely to spend my time soloing in training my hero. I don't care if it would take me long time at beginning if it worth during mid-endgame.

Slaying boss monsters is also fun as well as winning variety of PvP/duel!

Kudos to the my fellow players b:thanks

Edit:
I could not propose to be a Wizard for those player, being Wizard myself.

SoulRequiem - Sanctuary wrote: »

Excuse me? you saying that playing caster isn't fun ? ,what you mean by "possibility to play"?,what are you saying lol

This mean that melee do twice (or even more) damage to bosses, kill world bosses, clear tt, bh etc. and sell drop to say then that casters QQ.

Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »

This mean that melee do twice (or even more) damage to bosses, kill world bosses, clear tt, bh etc. and sell drop to say then that casters QQ.

So basically you're complaining because other people are better than you at something?

We all known that casters are better at TW than Sins or Barbs,yet I don't sell that nerdrage for that.

Its like complaining because some people have a Lamborghini 2000GT while others a Toyota Yaris....geez
Im not a 5 aps+12 R9 full JOSD Sin but I don't cry all the day because there are TONS of people with better gear, I just play my own game and living on.

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

I think what comes up from this thread is, as this game evolves and changes throughout the years - does it really stand a chance against other, newer games released nowadays, even by the company itself? Content wise, it doesn't seem to compete with what other games seem to offer, despite having a lot more depth as you go further in level (in a sense).

I absolutely love PWI but I can't help but wonder if the Chinese team truly cares that while the game is standing strong in China, the opposite is true for NA? It's not close to dying, nor is it dead yet, but with lack of newcomers, and with older, regular players discontent and them leaving eventually, it's bound to happen.

I think if PWI had treated the game like PWChina does, PWI would still be a force to reckon with for other (mostly f2p) MMOs. More so if the original Devs were still working on PW (we also most likely wouldn't be bothered with beta-era bugs). But I do partially agree the new Chinese team just seems to be not caring about its foreign market (odd for it being such a cash cow).



....So I had a nice 2 cents worthy reply to the thread, but Chrome was a B- and erased everything and its too much of a wall of text to retype since I have to go take care or RL stuff now, so here's a Tl;dr version
1) bad advertising/bad word of mouth, no one wants to play something with horrid reviews
2) empty open world, I blame Fc
3) feels very much P2w (more so than old PW that didn't blatantly sell power)


All in all PWI chopped it's own arm off and while it could have been saved, PWI decided to make itself a freak show instead and now the act is getting old, morai was a nice try at a comeback tour but no ones buying so now PWI is terminal, armless and losing its fans and all of this could have been avoided if they heeded everyone's warning and gone to the hospital after chopping their arm off...

The Tideborn expansion ruined the game. b:avoid

SoulRequiem - Sanctuary wrote: »

We all known that casters are better at TW than Sins or Barbs,yet I don't sell that nerdrage for that.

At best TW represent a very small percentage of someone,s playign time.

For some, they have no interest at all in TW.

A better equilibrum between the DOT and survivability of all classes would be a good thing.

But we all know it will never happen, it would not go well with PWI's run for profits.

We all saw how laughable was their so called "skill balance" they announced las time...

1. SIN/PSY issue: the inclusion of the new skills were meant to bring balance but in truth only 4 classes got any real help. archers, barbs, bm's and wizards all made out okay but everyone else got fail skills. the most fail was clerics. psys and wizards both have a heal. even seekers got on a crappy one with the expansion, but clerics being the best healers in the game, can't heal during metal mage form? and to add insult to injury their hp is decreased on top of that. did anyone even play test these skills? why not disallow the heal over time heals and the aoe heals and allow them to use blessing of the purehearted [a skill that no cleric i know has found a use for] or wellspring surge? the idea of a cleric in pk is pointless. the sin attacks with aps are just disgusting. who's bright idea was it to include zerk on a aps weapon for a class that has high crit/damage? PK is dead....aside from a few enterprising individuals or a full r9+12 barb you play a psy or a sin to pk. why? cause there are sins with scrupulous morals that enjoy farming people for kicks, so to be able to defend yourself from overpowered stealth attacks you need to be one of these classes: psy, sin or barb. i would say tone down the tideborn but that leads to the next issue....

2. lazy gm's/code monkeys: As a fledgling code monkey i understand the intricacies of game design [fatal conflicts, coding issues, priority command resolutions]. you can't fix the classes because the original team of designers are no longer employed there. so what's a guy to do.....CHANGE THE BROKEN MIDWARE.......yes this means practically a complete overhaul but honestly are you just gonna keep trying duct tape to fix a leak? all these little anti sin additions are great [theater of blood was sin owned before] but until you redesign the concept to tone down the tideborn and aps dominance over channeling, whatever you do will be a stop gap measure.

3. scaled xp: it should not take you a year to gain a level. the goon glitch was abused and those without the moral strength to resist are all level 105. i personally quit the game during that time. so how does PWI reward those that abstained from cheating? [crickets echo]. make quests level specific with diminishing returns if you chose to do them past the level you are able to obtain the quest. for instance, quest x becomes available from level a-e. if you do it at level a you get 3% of your xp bar filled, for each level past you lose .5%. so if you decide to wait til level e to do the quest you will only get 1%. [you can tweak this of course, but this is just to explain]. the oht and culti's could be changed not to give xp but give a decent amount of rep and lots of spirit instead since those you'd want to remain open so they could be done whenever the character got around to it. this way even if you make the quests at level 100 plus give .5%, people will do them cause the can see an end [dangle the carrot in front the mule].

4. community care: you need GM's that aren't here for a paycheck. it is extremely frustrating to have an issue and plead for a gm only to find out there are none on. there used to be a way to call in an issue. you removed it. then you could talk online to a person, you remove that too. anyone with a lick of common sense will view this as disinterest. if you continually keep creating distance between you and your fan-base, why would we put food on your plate? no interaction eventually boils down to no money going in the game. MMO's aren't supposed to last forever, i get that. if you are trying to keep the party going however, you can. I know personally 50+ qualified people [understand the game, hold a college degree, certified in conflict resolution] who absolutely love the game because of what they remember and what it could be and that would be GM's for free. i convinced about 20 of them to apply. not even a thank you for submitting your application, blah blah blah...... was sent. people post on forums all day. but giving us a place to vent without any follow up is simply a means of placating someone with an issue. that may work on kids and even adults that act like children, but for the rest of us.......we see you. you're not fooling anyone. at this point i play when i am getting ready for bed or have nothing [and i do mean NOTHING else to do. is that what you want?

5. server accessibility: this one is big. the market is uncontrolled [big mistake] so greedy merchant and scams are overly abundant here. way more so than in any other game i've played. because of this the economies of different servers are at different inflation levels. e.g. item x cost 3x as much on server a as it does on server b. this in turn restricts you from moving you account to a different server if your lifestyle changes [work/school schedule, you moved cross country or any other real life event] that would alter your playing time. end result? people leave when the events the are interested in no longer fits into their schedule. who wants to take forever to level a toon only to not be able to play the events because of the time the are given? i used to live on the west coast, now that i am in new york i find that doing an event means staying up late during a work/school night so i don't get to do them as much anymore [which is why i play before bedtime]. even if you had to put a charge on the cost of moving an account you would find doing so will only help increase the interest since now you could pick a server based on your needs and move it when your schedule demanded it. in other words, fix the market so players can travel.

these are the main issues i have come up with after conducting over 100 surveys with players off-line [both active and non-active]. i have all the contact info for these players and am willing to share any and all information gleaned from the results. aside from those that enjoy bullying people or don't care about pk and events and tw and....well, basically aside from those that don't care about a thriving game community, the game is already dead. once enough of my friends on here leave i will be leaving too. i invested hard core but because i wanted a challenge [i didn't r9+12 a psy or sin] i find i have no chance in events or pk against someone who did. so no pk, no leveling [my main toons are all at 102 w/o goon glitch], no events. my friends are what keep me here but more and more of them leave each day so very soon...no me.

Snowy is full, go there to mingle xd

Great thread. +1

Though everyone has pretty much said everything that I would have contributed.

My main thoughts though are:

1. Yes, FC needs some kind of cap to where low levels cannot even enter the instance. Or change it back to what it originally was.

2. Yes, get the GM's back to do what they were suppose to be here for. Caring for and helping the player base. And I mean actually doing it......

3. Yes, get the classes rebalanced. The new Decent area was nice, but that was it. The pathetic attempt at balancing the classes was just that. Pathetic.

4. Get the damn bugs fixed......... this issue has been going on since beta and you have yet to do anything about it........

I'd type in more but what else can be said? I think by the time this thread gets to around 500 posts or so it'll have been more then enough said by everyone. Besides, I'm too tired to think properly right now.

I'm getting kind of sad just seeing how downgrading PWI is getting....... It's making me more and more depressed each day to see a nice game I like going downhill.....

Maybe when I get back from taking the break off it it'll have shaped up.....but then again it's wishful thinking.......

@ ogunernile
Love your post man. b:victory

its because you see level 5s World chatting they are wanting to by frost. i saw one of these last night. so why do starting city when they can frost to 70+ easy

thelinkwarriorss wrote: »

Why are there so few newcomers?

1) This is an old-**** game... the graphics are dated, the gameplay is dated.
2) Horrible mis-management of PWI by PWE. PW-CN is going much stronger due to better management.
3) Game inbalances have never been fixed.
4) Word of mouth. PWE has screwed over too many people and if anyone asks, most people who quit playing will say exactly why the game isn't worth playing anymore.
5) Advertising and the horrible lack of it. FW is advertised on Steam. PWE has already abandoned PWI.
6) There are many other games that are more fun to play and aren't as expensive.

draginvry wrote: »

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Given how long it takes to level in this game without powerleveling, there is no reason to have level limits on quest rewards.

If player play without powerleveling level limits on quest rewards not bother him.

If player play using powerleveling, he not do quests, powerlevel up to some level and start to ask about "limits on quest rewards".

Player decide himself what he want to do.

Any cleric to rez the game? b:surrender

+1 to Yuna_Sama

I completely agree, unfortunately, I'm not sure whether they'll do anything.

But the pet exp is a great idea, especially since mystics came out and their summons auto level with the caster (but people also choose to argue that venos have pets while mystics have summons so....). It's debatable I suppose.

I also like the idea of dailies for new players with rewards like weapons and mounts so that the drive to level fast isn't as bad.

Meh, I'll call this a necro for the hell of it.