Why are there so few newcomers?

MageMERC - Harshlands

karmelia wrote: »

All that was said above, plus :

The competition in the online gaming field is fierce. And PW is not ranking very high in this field now, unlike it was when they opened the first servers.

Add to that that a couple of highly anticipated games will be released in 2012, means that PW will have a hard time attracting many new players.

This. Look at the game list on one site say, www.mmorpg.com and holy crapola is there a lot to choose from. Then look at the upcomings and the very few Ive read about are Archage, The Secret World, SWTOR (recently released I know), G.W.2, D3 etc etc etc. Think also Skyrim, Battelfield 3, Tanks, let alone all the army shoot em's like COD etc etc.

Now I'm not discussing any of the above titles or claiming merits whatsoever, but PWI need to compete with these guys by offering something to the new player and fast levelling isnt it.

EDIT - PWI need to offer something else to the old players too. We did the Morai quests in a week and now its back to dailies again.....

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

And what else they could add for low levels?

If you DO all the quests you can pretty much level to 60 with only a few BHs(You can even completely skip BH29).

Existing quests were ok,but they added Earthguard's quest from 20 to 51,Tideborn Quests from 40 to 61 you need to play like a week for 7-8 hours/day before you really run out of quests,and levelling only gets somewhat slow after 60,but hey,there are pubblic quests no-stop for 15 hours straight daily,there are crafting skills to level,there's some grinding there and there,there's the lucidsilver chest thing quest,there's BH,and you say there's not enough stuff for lowbies?

holy freaking LOL what else you guys want?, free exp/spirit out of nowhere?

Do your freaking quests and stop crying that there isn't enough stuff to do because there's plenty and you're just all being lazy slackers.

AND I would like to add that you all sound like you have someone aiming a gun at you yelling"You have to level,faster,faster I SAID FASTERRR!"//"Charge gold,more gold,MORE GOLD!!",over and over.You sounds soo obsessed with it.

Yami_ - Dreamweaver

People nowadays are very lazy, I play this game before of the Twilight Temple exist, where if you had a three star weapon you was GOD (not to mention the ultra expensive MOLDS lol), we ran out of quests around the level 35~37. Today you can reach the lv60 and you still have lots of quests to do.

I don't think that PW is fail about level, It's the power leveling that It's a problem, the game pretty much is reach lv100 for start to enjoy It.

xvokcx

Because this game sucks at the moment? Because the Economy became crappy BS? Because the game is simply too old and dying already?? b:bye

xvokcx

Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

People nowadays are very lazy, I play this game before of the Twilight Temple exist, where if you had a three star weapon you was GOD (not to mention the ultra expensive MOLDS lol), we ran out of quests around the level 35~37. Today you can reach the lv60 and you still have lots of quests to do.

I don't think that PW is fail about level, It's the power leveling that It's a problem, the game pretty much is reach lv100 for start to enjoy It.

How do you enjoy the game after 100? after 100 is nothing left to do, but just login to collect keys then logout and come back the next day for another 1minute or so

seitori

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

Slow? Wait till you get to level 70-80-90, that's when it's actually slow. I wouldn't even call it steady at level 20, it's super fast when you compare it.

LoLzZz


Remember back in the day, when we were all stuck with the 'GRIND H*LL' of the '60s' and the total lack of quests each of those levels had (Back B4 all the other newer added dailies like the BHs, were added to our quest charts, to fill that gap.) and all we could do to try and make it to 70th was do the daily CS runs and use nothing but Training Eso's while we Zhen'd all day at 'Rockin Wolves & the Spiders' ROFLMAO!!!!!!!b:laugh

And others started to buy Oracles like mad.... Just to get out of the months long grind it would take otherwise, to be able to get to 70th..............b:chuckle



b:dirty__Oh too the good old day's! And all those 'Dismount the Mount's' Session's, just so we could actually get into the cities through the towns gateways__b:pleased__ or 'Any Gateways' for that matter......b:embarrass

GaurdianMira - Archosaur

I have three genies to dump experience into Because skills and questing are more important to me than levels. Yes I stand on the BH platform for more than 20 minutes b:shocked sometimes to find a bh51 squad and yes I have to comeback to quest bosses on another day occasionally so I can get them done. Been playing for over a year now and I guarantee I am enjoying this game far more than any *ZOMG LVLS* noob out there.
Patience everyone, the journey is far more interesting than the destination.

Yami_ - Dreamweaver

xvokcx wrote: »

How do you enjoy the game after 100? after 100 is nothing left to do, but just login to collect keys then logout and come back the next day for another 1minute or so

Because you will start to do instances and will work out on your set, we only gain the level's from power level, not the armors lol.

Edit: also, lv90 is pretty much a basic requisite for join any guild, that means: you can't go to TW before of that.

Nana_PL - Raging Tide

Most of the people you see by running through the starting areas are propably either new made alts of someone who already has a high level character, or just a level 1 random shop... Especially clerics since they can fly since level 1 and its easy to bring them to Archosaur x.x And anyone who is actually new to game and just created their character usually plays until they reach level 20 or something and they quit... Basically because these days noone does normal questing anymore and the newcomers don't have a oportunity to squad with others or make friends I've seen many people quitting around their 40's or 50's because they cannot ever find a squad for their BHs, FBs and other stuff unless they find someone from their faction to quickly solo it for them.. Which destroys the whole idea of the game. Now seriously if u stand by the HH for 30 mins.. how many people LF BH 29, 39 or 51 would u see...? b:surrender

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

G.W.2 , that's all i have to say. Unless PW redesigns the game , making it more appealing and competitve it will die pretty hard. And dont cry for things like *you have to buy it*. it is a one time purchase and you can enjoy so many different aspects while here your credit card must explode if you want to survive.

Guess it is time to bring MMOs to a new level and wipe out the old ones , a nice clean up is what we need. b:bye

Sagek - Sanctuary

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

a) isn't advertised enough anymore (for example, when I started playing nearly 3 years ago there were online advertisements everywhere) and less and less people hear about the game, and b) those who do try it see an empty area and leave since there is no one to guide them through.

2 very good points.

plus if you read the reviews of PWI on other sites like the one that was previously mentioned, they are all Horrible reviews. Even the people who are trying to defend it can only say a few posative things about it.

That in no way is going to encourage new players to come play.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

I hope that when G.W.2 or any other title coming soon will be out I won't see you people still hanging around here.

Really

Can't wait to get rid of those endless QQ people who's used to play this game for years and keep playing and yet they can't stop QQ.

Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »

2 very good points.

plus if you read the reviews of PWI on other sites like the one that was previously mentioned, they are all Horrible reviews. Even the people who are trying to defend it can only say a few posative things about it.

That in no way is going to encourage new players to come play.

Agreed. I have read a few reviews on the net and they all seems wrote by someone who played for barely a couple of hours(Like Clerics being "Healing only" or Sins being "glass cannons" lols)

looken

I'v noticed this aswell, all the new players are usually just an alt of someone else.

Well why there are so few new players is probably because once there is somone new who doesnt know how everything works he/she usually gets attacked in all possible way's by those players who is just an *** to the bone, which there are plenty of in PWI.

Another thing might be PWI doesnt have that much to offer to new players,and they have kinda ruined the droprate so bad its not even funny to be on a new character (took 1 and half hour to get 1 dull claw for lvl 30 flyer quest- ended up buying the others - this was with my level 29 barb) , Squad TT is more or less dead so getting gear from TT is harder then it used to be.

Another thing is that you just need to look at the forums about how the support for the game is, and how it is runned.

And finaly PWI's graphics/playstyle is getting old, look at PWE's newest investment,RaiderZ. it does look alot better, ALOT ALOT better graphicly speaking and its not the standard auto attack, you can dodge roll block etc.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

Ruined the drop rate?, I haven't seen any lower drop rate than usual, If I need a DQ item for a bank / flyer quest,I grind mobs of my own level and at around lv.30 it takes very little effort. I would like to known which mob you were grinding on your barb,because taking 1 hour and half for a single DQ drop its far too unrealistic.

Its fun how people say the game its ruined or has nothing to offer to new player and yet they don't even bother to explain HOW the game its ruined and HOW it hasn't anything for new players.
They ALL use generic sentences like above,I wonder if they actually have an idea or they just too lazy to write anything other than sux/ruined/old/crappy.

magdalaine

I am a newcomer! I am really liking the game so far too. What is CS'ers?

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

Those who put real money in the game ( Cash shoppers).

lightcharm

thelinkwarriorss wrote: »

Whenever i travel through the 5 starting cities, i can't help but notice how very few new players there are nowadays. I remember as recently as during the Earthguard expansion all the starting cities and surroundings were bustling with activity, but now there's barely anyone. Its like all the newcomers disappeared simultaneously.

Now obviously the economy is screwed up beyond repair, CS'ers rule the game, etc. but none of those things become apparent or affect the players in any way until mid-game.

So what exactly is going on? Bad publicity? Lack of advertising? What are your thoughts?

Perhaps a lot of the "newcomers" you saw were just old players playing the new race.
Perhaps the newcomers are just not playing on the server you frequent.
Perhaps it's because the people that would play this game don't know about it or
Perhaps PWE doesn't have the best reputation for game quality or good player support?

I admit while there are some things that have been broken from the beginning and the support can make you go hmm sometimes (depending on your expereince perhaps a whole lot more or more like b:angry) I have to admit there are way worse out there (very popular game sites at that which make me wonder how they manage to keep their servers open crapping on their players the way they do) and PWE is pretty much average in those departments.

While I have my opinion on what the issue might by in short it could be many things. Unless one or more of those many things starts eating away at their profit margin I don't think any of them are going to be given much mind.

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear

when a new class comes out, of course their starter areas are busy. and when they finish the quests that are sited there, they follow the quest strings that send them to Archo and beyond. it works this way for all races.

thelinkwarriorss wrote: »

Whenever i travel through the 5 starting cities, i can't help but notice how very few new players there are nowadays. I remember as recently as during the Earthguard expansion all the starting cities and surroundings were bustling with activity, but now there's barely anyone. Its like all the newcomers disappeared simultaneously.

Now obviously the economy is screwed up beyond repair, CS'ers rule the game, etc. but none of those things become apparent or affect the players in any way until mid-game.

So what exactly is going on? Bad publicity? Lack of advertising? What are your thoughts?

_Nerox_ - Dreamweaver

the game is less of a challange now days...I guess

Sizzer - Raging Tide

_Nerox_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

the game is less of a challange now days...I guess

I agree with u put some more & challenging instance which are really hard to do ,
and introduce a new lvl up system for high lvl's ! This is my personal opinion. Introduce a system where a lowbie can't power lvl with the help of FC's . Its for 70+ players .So below lvl 70 strictly can't enter in FC.
One thing i will like to add in Perfect World Malaysia u can't activate hypers in FC, so ppl out there can't lvl up faster, still the game is enjoyable coz its damn hard to play and a real fun tbh. Pwi is too much easy comparing it to Malaysia !
Don't power lvl guys enjoy the game.b:victory

Zalislia - Lost City

i can only say is that this game is dieing day by day less plp plays it
and richt plp are getting meany lowbie lvls frustrated

aslo the lame pvping r9 noobs killing lowbies they get frustrated and they quit

they should put a pvp range for high lvls cus killing plp that r raising their chars up

is not nice it makes plp to quit

lame r9 noobs

Insomnia, lolo r9 wizz lame pker , SantasKnigth, and meany more....

those r all from my server

and wen they kill lowbies

those persons tell their friends that this game is not good

cus hight plp wont let lowbies to make quests and lvl up ect ect

and the news of it spreads everywere and plp dont plays eanymore

not meany r frendly some plp here just come to make others this game impossible

and so those plp quit gaming...

well am allways helping newcomers whit lil i can give

i dont even lvling up cus i keep helping and helping and having fun whit nice plp

bhs and meany more things

some has overflow my lvl and they betray me and kill me for no reason

and i dont care of it

new comers should be helped to lvl up so they like this game more

that way meany more plp will come here to pwi

but r9 lame comes and kills em..

pharaoh900

Well, as a new player myself, I can honestly relate to some of the issues that have been suggested throughout this thread.

I have played a number of MMOs in the past, but have never heard of Perfect World until a few real life friends of mine told me that they played, and invited me to come join.

When I initially joined this game, patched, and finally customized my character and got plopped into the starting city, one of the first things that crossed my mind was "where is everyone?"

I walked around a bit, slowly adapted myself to the hotkey interface, controls and eventually stumbled upon the quest interface and began questing/randomly killing mobs (mind you I read a few guides before going online, as I like to be a forum active player and read a bit to be informed about games before diving into them). I completed a number of quests, talked to random people walking around who never answered anything I asked/said to them. Had the occasional person beg for Res/FP and Heals (I'm a Mystic) but that was it. Everyone else is seemingly in a rush going nowhere.

Anyway, I get to level 30ish and thought to myself "Well, what do I do now?"

In a nutshell, here's the impression I get of Perfect World from reading the forums/looking around in game (Note: everything I'm putting here is stuff that others have said, not me).

- Lots of people deem Assassins/Psychics as OP.
- "If you don't Cash Shop regularly, you can forget about getting into squads/participating in PvP."
- "If you aren't interested in paying real money to bomb through the levels power leveling/refining your gears, and you don't have real life friends to play with, you're screwed." - I do have friends to play with, so the latter isn't really an issue I guess.
- "Lots of bugs exist, and have existed since the beginning of beta, and aren't getting fixed."
- "It took weeks for tickets to be answered about the major hacking incident that occurred a while ago."

Don't get me wrong, Perfect World is nice, we love the graphics, music and the initial gameplay, but in the end are we just wasting our time? Something tells me a lot of new players ask themselves the same thing...

Does our crew really stand a chance leveling and getting gear the "non Cash Shop" way?

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

pharaoh900 wrote: »

Well, as a new player myself, I can honestly relate to some of the issues that have been suggested throughout this thread.

I have played a number of MMOs in the past, but have never heard of Perfect World until a few real life friends of mine told me that they played, and invited me to come join.

When I initially joined this game, patched, and finally customized my character and got plopped into the starting city, one of the first things that crossed my mind was "where is everyone?"

I walked around a bit, slowly adapted myself to the hotkey interface, controls and eventually stumbled upon the quest interface and began questing/randomly killing mobs (mind you I read a few guides before going online, as I like to be a forum active player and read a bit to be informed about games before diving into them). I completed a number of quests, talked to random people walking around who never answered anything I asked/said to them. Had the occasional person beg for Res/FP and Heals (I'm a Mystic) but that was it. Everyone else is seemingly in a rush going nowhere.

Anyway, I get to level 30ish and thought to myself "Well, what do I do now?"

In a nutshell, here's the impression I get of Perfect World from reading the forums/looking around in game (Note: everything I'm putting here is stuff that others have said, not me).

- Lots of people deem Assassins/Psychics as OP.
- "If you don't Cash Shop regularly, you can forget about getting into squads/participating in PvP."
- "If you aren't interested in paying real money to bomb through the levels power leveling/refining your gears, and you don't have real life friends to play with, you're screwed." - I do have friends to play with, so the latter isn't really an issue I guess.
- "Lots of bugs exist, and have existed since the beginning of beta, and aren't getting fixed."
- "It took weeks for tickets to be answered about the major hacking incident that occurred a while ago."

Don't get me wrong, Perfect World is nice, we love the graphics, music and the initial gameplay, but in the end are we just wasting our time? Something tells me a lot of new players ask themselves the same thing...

Does our crew really stand a chance leveling and getting gear the "non Cash Shop" way?

I'm telling this couple years but they don't listen. All they listen are just money. Pwi is dying slowly, but surely.

/Principle - Dreamweaver50

Word of mouth. Guess what game I'm not recommending to my friends.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

@pharaoh900 : for PVE your group has chances , for PVP not 1 in a million.

Revert game back to 2008 , no Tideborns no earthguards , no Nirvana - Rank Bhs FFs Goons.

Then the game will be good again .

MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

@pharaoh900 : for PVE your group has chances , for PVP not 1 in a million.

Revert game back to 2008 , no Tideborns no earthguards , no Nirvana - Rank Bhs FFs Goons.

Then the game will be good again .

And gold was so much cheaper for those who grinded. I remember when gold was 200k? Or maybe even cheaper. What was it in 2008? That's when I joined. Ah the good old days.

chaoticshelly

I think what comes up from this thread is, as this game evolves and changes throughout the years - does it really stand a chance against other, newer games released nowadays, even by the company itself? Content wise, it doesn't seem to compete with what other games seem to offer, despite having a lot more depth as you go further in level (in a sense).

The level of challenge offered to players is close to zero, as everything is handed to them by the cash shop and/or by the lack of obstacles in the game itself. And there is no real reward to achieving high level, as you can either make more money, do Nirvanas, or TW.

I absolutely love PWI but I can't help but wonder if the Chinese team truly cares that while the game is standing strong in China, the opposite is true for NA? It's not close to dying, nor is it dead yet, but with lack of newcomers, and with older, regular players discontent and them leaving eventually, it's bound to happen.

suckass

pwi is slowly dwindling down to non-existent. u have a few great mmo's coming out this year; and, i'm looking forward to g-w-2 and d-3. i believe these 2 games (plus others like t-e-r-a) will kill pwi slowly over time (i wish it could be instant death for pwi b:laugh).

the subsidiary of pwe will be buried for good b:bye

Vyvyan - Dreamweaver

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

I think what comes up from this thread is, as this game evolves and changes throughout the years - does it really stand a chance against other, newer games released nowadays, even by the company itself? Content wise, it doesn't seem to compete with what other games seem to offer, despite having a lot more depth as you go further in level (in a sense).

The level of challenge offered to players is close to zero, as everything is handed to them by the cash shop and/or by the lack of obstacles in the game itself. And there is no real reward to achieving high level, as you can either make more money, do Nirvanas, or TW.

I absolutely love PWI but I can't help but wonder if the Chinese team truly cares that while the game is standing strong in China, the opposite is true for NA? It's not close to dying, nor is it dead yet, but with lack of newcomers, and with older, regular players discontent and them leaving eventually, it's bound to happen.

As like any MMO that's 'free to play' with a cash shop it runs it self out in 2-3 years. Players reach end game far to fast then get bored and complain about lack of end game content. But then again, that's why it's called end game. Power leveling or buying your way to the end is rather pointless. Sure you're now King of the Hill, but game over.

Nightstalk - Raging Tide

Well I remember when I first started I quit after the first few weeks because no one would even answer any questions at all that I had and I joined probably 7 different guilds. I couldn't get one question answered and I played for about a month before I just said cya guys later. People were so busy with what they were doing in game they couldnt even stop to answer anything I said in faction chat. Probably 4 different guild gave me complete silence when I asked a question and the other 3 got mad and blamed me for spamming the faction chat because I asked it more than once in a half hour, really? But eventually I started up again and was determined this time to find a good quild and that I did. I think it all comes down to finding the right group of helpful people that want the same things you do in game. If u all lvl up together its not that hard to go anywhere in this game at all and its honestly a lot of fun. This game is all about teamwork mostly unless u dont want anything worthwhile. To new players that come in I say to you that is probably the best thing to do is too find a really good guild and dont fall into the trap of CS or powerleveling. Your just going to be disappointed in the end.