Relocating
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Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »Merge servers, move players, isn't that asking for basicly the samething?
I'll try to put this more simply since you didn't seem to understand it the first time...
Instead of having server merges when they need them, PWE will just say "buy a server change scroll for every character you want to move before we delete the server".
There is a lot of subtext I haven't even glossed over and repercussions that I can explain if you'd like... anyone who knows PWE and this game with a little bit of imagination can figure out all of the angles of this one. :PI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »There is a lot of subtext I haven't even glossed over and repercussions that I can explain if you'd like... anyone who knows PWE and this game with a little bit of imagination can figure out all of the angles of this one. :P
Merging the servers and moving the player would accomplish the same goal(Or basicly do the samething), it would just present it in a different package. the Merging having more bells and whistles to it of course, but ultimately they accomplish the samething, which is bring the players together.
To those of you voting no please feel to post why you feel or do not think this is a good idea.
It's actually pretty cool to see it so close to 50/500 -
why not come to archosaur?most of the citys are pretty empty except for 1k streams and archo....thats not counting the people that go afk at the lucidgold and silver npc
we could certainly use some strong persons to break the repetitiveness of cycles,nemesis,ascend,and on rare occasion narla control alot of the economics for the halfway decent gear
pro tip: 75% of the catshops in archo on the archosaur server are selling pigments,lousy and/or messed up gear,and fash0 -
Semis_Inferi - Archosaur wrote: »why not come to archosaur?
Ahhh I appreciate that, but I like Sanctuary way too much. You have to understand I am not asking for this change because I want it for myself. I am happy with the server I am on. It is a well established, friendly enough player base, Good faction banter when it's there, competitive, but not in a stupid way, prices suck *** but from what I have heard it's every server and not just Sanc and of course the money I would lose.
I am asking for this because there are people out there that would like to move to these older servers so they can experience the stuff we as players of those servers are sometimes talking about.
Hrmm, I wonder if people voted no because they would not use it, Or if they actually considered a valid reason as to why this is a bad idea.0 -
reasons for no server swap
1. Flood of new names that have no reputations to back them up. There are just some noobs you don't want in your random squads.
2. Scammers they now have new ways to hide and transfer stolen goods to other servers.
3. Older servers have larger quantities of coin that would cause a gap in wealth between the servers to start with. Rich toons on older servers get richer and poor toons get poorer on newer servers.
4. New source of supplys from a different server can cause market instability across servers.
5. All future new servers will be flooded instantly by high levels.
6. Cross server whispering does not exist..... I think (never tested)
reason for no server merge
1. More lag due to more people on the same server.
2. The pwi population is still relatively high maybe once there are less people it may become an option.
3. More competition for basic things such as mobs, mats, and space in world chat.0 -
Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »
Hrmm, I wonder if people voted no because they would not use it, Or if they actually considered a valid reason as to why this is a bad idea.
It would mess up servers balance, economy wise. If that was allowed, cheapest option would be to lvl & buy aps on older server and relocate to Archo, where everything costs a lot more than on older servers and after you`re done farming - Relocate whichever server you wish.
When I say things are expensive, it`s a joke on archo, you really have trouble finding sellers for minister stones if you arent willing to pay 2m each. I sell my antennas for 500k each(Pretty much instantly), etc. You have to chip your gold mats as TT3-x is run so rarely that there is simply no supply - well some morons who ask for more than it costs to chip em and my guess is they chipped em themselves. But I should go and lvl my sin to 100 so I can start gathering keys - and farm my nirvana leggins on next 2x.Trolling Sid since So Hot
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FanFon - Dreamweaver wrote: »reasons for no server swap
1. Flood of new names that have no reputations to back them up. There are just some noobs you don't want in your random squads.
Thats just being petty and elitist in my opinion so I will just agree to disagree.
2. Scammers they now have new ways to hide and transfer stolen goods to other servers.
There are safe guards against this that could and would need to be put into place and one would have to consider that this would be an issue delt with while planning and implementing the merge/swap.
3. Older servers have larger quantities of coin that would cause a gap in wealth between the servers to start with. Rich toons on older servers get richer and poor toons get poorer on newer servers.
This would def put that theory to the test. If you assume that the buyers/sellers from the server these "New" players are coming into are dumb and can not continue to keep the market the way it is, than thats saying alot I don't know if I can agree with that. But I do agree in the sense that it will have a very large impact in the enconomy.
4. New source of supplys from a different server can cause market instability across servers.
This is true, but are you saying you are currently happy with the market now? You do not see any reason for the change of it?
5. All future new servers will be flooded instantly by high levels.
And this is where I would hope the people giving the "ok" would get creative with it. I am not going to figure this out for them
6. Cross server whispering does not exist..... I think (never tested)
The Server relocate or merge would cut out the need for a server whisper.
reason for no server merge
1. More lag due to more people on the same server
If it's a hardware issue thats easier to fix than a programming one.
2. The pwi population is still relatively high maybe once there are less people it may become an option.
That really is questionable. I do not have access to numbers so I really can't say anything about that. I can only give my thoughts.
3. More competition for basic things such as mobs, mats, and space in world chat.
Good.
Sorry I wanted try and answer each question, was easier to do it that way.0 -
Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »Merging the servers and moving the player would accomplish the same goal(Or basicly do the samething), it would just present it in a different package. the Merging having more bells and whistles to it of course, but ultimately they accomplish the samething, which is bring the players together.
You can take a bite of an apple or put an orange on the counter and pound on it with your fist and suck up the juice. Either way you're having fruit?
That's like, totally the same.
/facepalmI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: ».......
Just one thing: responding in colour doesn't make your post easier to read, plus it makes it a freaking nightmare to quote.
About your points about the markets: Obviously, merchants and people with capital would move to a server where they could get the most profit, then repeat this process with each server, thus forcing every server to adapt to roughly the same prices, all while the swappers profit until said adaption is complete. Even if it's a one-time thing, it would be possible for a person to make significant profits just by choosing their server properly.
And yes, a merchant turning their funds into a specific form of currency, e.g. goods or gold or coins, could very definitely damage some market on a server. Not least because most likely all the significant merchants would do it, but also because their combined buying power is absolutely ridiculous.
As for "fixing" the issue with people joining a new server and populating it with their rich high level characters, thus effectively killing the server, it could be avoided to an extent by not allowing transfers to servers that are, for example, less than a year old.
Personally, I don't really know. If I could convince the few people I play with to change to an East Coast server, I would probably do it. Which probably wouldn't be too hard, considering that they would be sharing the benefits of lower ping. In my case, the event times would only really get worse, since most of the events are in the evening, which currently places them in early morning so taking away 3 hours would place them in the middle of the night. But at least I would have a slightly better ping.
The sad part would be that I'd have to move all of my funds temporarily to my sin and create a new shopalt on the new server. Which means I'd have to level them again, plus I'd lose the 170 or so Hyper Stones I have on them, as they are not tradeableI am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
If you see b:cute be sure to take a second, calm look at anything I said.0 -
Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »As for "fixing" the issue with people joining a new server and populating it with their rich high level characters, thus effectively killing the server, it could be avoided to an extent by not allowing transfers to servers that are, for example, less than a year old.
And in doing so, leaving all the free players stranded on a different server as opposed to a forced server merge which would be the only fair way to accomplish this with their only options being forced to play on a deserted server or forcing them to pay for a transfer to a more active service...
He doesn't understand at all...I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
If Archosaur is an almost empty server I don't care, its like living in a small village where you know all the neighbors by name. b:chuckle
I like Archosaur how it is, and I don't see any reason to bring more people in here, thank you very much. b:bye0 -
Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »And in doing so, leaving all the free players stranded on a different server as opposed to a forced server merge which would be the only fair way to accomplish this with their only options being forced to play on a deserted server or forcing them to pay for a transfer to a more active service...
He doesn't understand at all...
So if PW gave players a 1 time chance to move to a different server for free? I am not talking about creating stones or adding new items, even though that might happen.
And you act like I am against the idea of a merge. I am all for it because it accomplishs what I am suggesting with the transfer, I just suggest a character transfer because it seems the easier of the two maybe a little more data entry, but still easier.
but, what am I missing?Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »Just one thing: responding in colour doesn't make your post easier to read, plus it makes it a freaking nightmare to quote.
Yeah I apologize for that.
The one time blast to the economy would be good for players who don't spend a lot of money real money or have the budget, I imagine the merchants would be undercutting each other to get the sale. And you know honestly I am not too worried about the merchants, they can take care of their selfs I have faith in them that they would weather the storm. but one thing is that if people care more about messing up the economy of this game then they do about bringing more players to this game so that there is more to do with new and possibly interesting people... well what can you say to that?0 -
yer,economy is kidna messed up on archo...everytime a new pack thing is released X.X it makes things 1000 times worse0
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No.
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People with mains that can solo FC can already level up alts and then push them out into the general populace without people having any clue who the alt belongs to. Whether those people would do a good job or suck isn't my point; my point is that you can get a character to high level and start joining random squads without having built up any reputation for it.FanFon - Dreamweaver wrote: »1. Flood of new names that have no reputations to back them up. There are just some noobs you don't want in your random squads.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Kirstiein - Sanctuary wrote: »While this is a sound and well thought out plan, its impossible for pwi to do. Each server has its own database, and each account (thats means all chars on that account) have a number and a spot inside the database. Pwi cannot combine the databases or add things from other databases. If the attempt was made it would crash the databases and all things on those databases will be lost. You can dream about this all you want, but it comes down to the fact that it cannot be done.
Example: lets say my account number on Sac was 54, and my friend on dreamweaver also has number 54, if I put my account on dreamweaver it would overwrite my friends account, and visa versa.
That's only partially true. Raging Tide and Dreamweaver are connected, you will only find one "Nepanthe" on both servers. you'll only find one "Man" on either server. I agree with relocating. i wanted a new server when RT came out but now i want to go back to dreamweaver where i started and where my friend is.
The problem with this idea is you'll have MASSIVE amounts of money being transferred from server to server and where as some servers will be sucked dry by this others will become overflowed and inflation would hit the server so badly that pwi would need massive coin sinks to help and solve the problem. I would only want to relocate to DW if i could take all my items and money with me. if you have a few billon coins suddenly flow into DW the supply of items is most likely going to sky rocket. you could also have an opposite effect and prices drop because you have a massive flow of items come in, but eventually they'll go back up because of the amount of people flowing in.
Even though i would be more than ecstatic about a relocation option i think pwi has the right of idea of not going through with this idea.
Unbind scrolls need to be implemented though <,,<0 -
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Btw id like to c a "server crossing account stash" with a cooldown time of 3 months per item (this way u whould also avoid that r9 gear/ op ppl can cross their gear cz rank gear is character bound b:kiss). But ofc this wont happen. Even IF admins would be motivated to speak with the chinese management/ developers, i dont think they would listen. Tbh i dont think there is alot of communication between pwe and pwcn (u can always c this how "well" our admins r informed... normally the main addicts have greater knowledge by figuring out stuff by their own or getting info from ppl which play on cn servers too).0
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Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »Thats just being petty and elitist in my opinion so I will just agree to disagree.
There are safe guards against this that could and would need to be put into place and one would have to consider that this would be an issue delt with while planning and implementing the merge/swap.
This would def put that theory to the test. If you assume that the buyers/sellers from the server these "New" players are coming into are dumb and can not continue to keep the market the way it is, than thats saying alot I don't know if I can agree with that. But I do agree in the sense that it will have a very large impact in the enconomy.
This is true, but are you saying you are currently happy with the market now? You do not see any reason for the change of it?
The Server relocate or merge would cut out the need for a server whisper.
Maybe if they bound everything during in the transfer and made it unable to account stash and came along with a 25% coin penalty. It sounds harsh but how else would you protect the servers economy?
Ok lets take 100 mil from and older server and move it to a new server. Then take that 100 mil and buy 90 raptures. Then you take the 90 raptures back to the old server and sell them for 130+mil. The problem is any idiot can figure this out and there would be no safe guards unless you did what I said above this comment. It is not about the new servers being dumb it is about another server with more resources. The mayans were not dumb but they got screwed over did they not? Same thing happened with the Chinese.
The markets aren't perfect but do you want to add another layer of b:shutup to this mess?
How would not having whispers cross servers if people are moving around work? If it was merges this would not be a problem everyone from DW would be on 1 server. For starters if it is reallocating everyone to another server of their choice, everyone would be going different directions. You can't expect me let alone everyone else to move in unison to another server.Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »People with mains that can solo FC can already level up alts and then push them out into the general populace without people having any clue who the alt belongs to. Whether those people would do a good job or suck isn't my point; my point is that you can get a character to high level and start joining random squads without having built up any reputation for it.
This comment is toward both of you who I quoted. There aren't any known players who have notorious reputations such as known to die from pulling the first hallways of fc with 10k hp and HA gear? Are there no one on your servers that if they joined squad you would think oh b:shutup maybe I should leave. Yes you have the unknown newbs but then you have the people who just fail.0 -
What about just a simple server merge ?
east west and eu will stay but the pve and pvp channels will just merge.
Also my opinion might be totally wrong so be sure to hate reply to this C:0 -
FanFon - Dreamweaver wrote: »Maybe if they bound everything during in the transfer and made it unable to account stash and came along with a 25% coin penalty. It sounds harsh but how else would you protect the servers economy?
Ok lets take 100 mil from and older server and move it to a new server. Then take that 100 mil and buy 90 raptures. Then you take the 90 raptures back to the old server and sell them for 130+mil. The problem is any idiot can figure this out and there would be no safe guards unless you did what I said above this comment. It is not about the new servers being dumb it is about another server with more resources. The mayans were not dumb but they got screwed over did they not? Same thing happened with the Chinese.
The markets aren't perfect but do you want to add another layer of b:shutup to this mess?
Doing a 1 time char relocate would keep that from happening. Once they move thats it, no more you got your chance to move. After the first shock the economy would fall back to it's old ways. no real lose.. the only ones I see this in anyway upsetting is the merchants and honestly until the merchants get together and come up with a fix for the economy(face it it's the players in control of the economy more so then PW)I really don't care what happens to them.FanFon - Dreamweaver wrote: »How would not having whispers cross servers if people are moving around work? If it was merges this would not be a problem everyone from DW would be on 1 server. For starters if it is reallocating everyone to another server of their choice, everyone would be going different directions. You can't expect me let alone everyone else to move in unison to another server.
I know, I hope what would happen though is people would migrate to 1 of the 3 older more populated servers.FanFon - Dreamweaver wrote: »This comment is toward both of you who I quoted. There aren't any known players who have notorious reputations such as known to die from pulling the first hallways of fc with 10k hp and HA gear? Are there no one on your servers that if they joined squad you would think oh b:shutup maybe I should leave. Yes you have the unknown newbs but then you have the people who just fail.
I will run with anyone who meets the lvl requirments. I do not care what gear someone has or how well they play the game. I am not impressed by how fast someone can clear a instance. I want this game to be hard and if having 4 or 5 newbs running with me gives me that, then game on. As far as reputation, as long as you are not being a d.ouche to anyone in that squad, I really don't care what people think of you outside the squad.0 -
i say no make new toon on diff server CS there. you pick server be so stay there and suck it up. b:cute0
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FanFon - Dreamweaver wrote: »
This comment is toward both of you who I quoted. There aren't any known players who have notorious reputations such as known to die from pulling the first hallways of fc with 10k hp and HA gear? Are there no one on your servers that if they joined squad you would think oh b:shutup maybe I should leave. Yes you have the unknown newbs but then you have the people who just fail.
The only people I would think that way about are more likely to be people who make complete ***es of themselves in WC, but then again, I tend to be relatively self sufficient (charmed/crab meats/genie heals). 99% of the time if I die it's my fault. The other 1% I usually just laugh and get back up, ready to try again. I also carry a hefty supply of Guardian Scrolls, and in *challenging* squads I have been known to pass a scroll or two (or 5, whatever) to the cleric or mystic healing us.
So, no, I don't really care that much if the squads I join have some undergeared/underskilled players. It's about the only thing that adds any modicum of challenge to the PVE in this game. I only care about whether people are known d-bags, and honestly, people like that will make their personality well known rather quickly.
LOL. I swear I wrote out my post before even seeing your reply, but I can see we think along the same lines.b:chuckleSagek wrote:I will run with anyone who meets the lvl requirments. I do not care what gear someone has or how well they play the game. I am not impressed by how fast someone can clear a instance. I want this game to be hard and if having 4 or 5 newbs running with me gives me that, then game on. As far as reputation, as long as you are not being a d.ouche to anyone in that squad, I really don't care what people think of you outside the squad.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »Doing a 1 time char relocate would keep that from happening. Once they move thats it, no more you got your chance to move. After the first shock the economy would fall back to it's old ways. no real lose.. the only ones I see this in anyway upsetting is the merchants and honestly until the merchants get together and come up with a fix for the economy(face it it's the players in control of the economy more so then PW)I really don't care what happens to them.
yeah you move your mains once but what about disposable alts?0 -
FanFon - Dreamweaver wrote: »yeah you move your mains once but what about disposable alts?
Dunno, thats something for them to figure out. it's not impossible for them to prevent this from happening as it's been done before.0 -
Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »Doing a 1 time char relocate would keep that from happening. Once they move thats it, no more you got your chance to move. After the first shock the economy would fall back to it's old ways. no real lose.. the only ones I see this in anyway upsetting is the merchants and honestly until the merchants get together and come up with a fix for the economy(face it it's the players in control of the economy more so then PW)I really don't care what happens to them.
Ironically, as long as we are still making our money, we don't really care about you either b:chuckle0 -
Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide wrote: »Ironically, as long as we are still making our money, we don't really care about you either b:chuckle
I don't think thats really being ironic, now if you said you guys actually cared about me and didn't that would be ironic, no?0 -
/facepalm
Take the meaning of irony, and apply it to my statement. Of course we care about the people who play a vital role in making our money. I mean, we are merchants after all, not PWE.0 -
Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »Oh, how did I miss that.. silly me.
Now your's being ironic, yes?
The world may never know b:chuckle0 -
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