Devil chyhyu >> hercules?
ObamasElf - Sanctuary
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i want to know if is possible to tank TT on group mode using my Devil chyhyu.
I dont care if i have to go HA or LA to do this, but first i need to know if my pet can be as good as an buffed hercules.
i intend to use an OHT set all with +phy def ,refine it and put some perfect stones(Citrines or garnets) so i can have max HP and def on pet.
to make a comparsion i need 3 informations:
1-how much an well geared veno can heal?
2-what are buffed hercules defenses and HP on lvl 100?
3-how much defense a Devil chyhyu has on lvl 100 (mystic without gears)?
i will make and pw calc set while i wait for some good soul to answer meb:thanks
I dont care if i have to go HA or LA to do this, but first i need to know if my pet can be as good as an buffed hercules.
i intend to use an OHT set all with +phy def ,refine it and put some perfect stones(Citrines or garnets) so i can have max HP and def on pet.
to make a comparsion i need 3 informations:
1-how much an well geared veno can heal?
2-what are buffed hercules defenses and HP on lvl 100?
3-how much defense a Devil chyhyu has on lvl 100 (mystic without gears)?
i will make and pw calc set while i wait for some good soul to answer meb:thanks
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Nope. Chiyu is way squishier than a herc. Too lazy to do the math atm but I don't see it working.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Well first off mystics do not have pets. They have summons. Their use require mp pulled from the mystic to use skills unlike true pets. If your doing TT solo with a summon not being able to hold argo from you due to this finite pool of mana you will die. Devil chyhyu while a nice dd is not a tank no matter what lvl and gear you use.0
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._. No. Devil will never beat a fully buffed Herc. You would need to have GM gear.
1. A lot.
2. Buffed 100 Herc stats (with Bash5)
HP: 4585
Attack: 3210
Pdef: 24880 (86%)
Mdef: 19903 (83%)
Accuracy: 2547
Dodge: 1358
APS: 0.8
Speed: 8.2
DPS: 2853
3. Dunno, my mystic is level 23 and I stopped playing him months ago.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Nah my mystic can only do the solo modes, in squad mode my chiyu gets squished like a little bug. Even in solo its a pain for it.
Herc is so much better my 60 herc tanks so much better than the chiyu0 -
You can get around 16k physical def with hard work and lucky with OHT set . you must go LA otherwise you wouldn't heal enought your summon.
devil summon = 8k def+ 8k HP (assuming you have lots of $$$ to spent on refine)
herc lvl 100 = 24k def + 4,5k HP ( 10k def unbuffed)
i hope that helped.
PS :ask a veno if they can tank something with their herc unbuffed...your summon should be lots better to tank than an unbuffed herc.0 -
Venos can tank with herc unbuffed due to the much stonger pet heals they have vs mystics summon heals.0
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Actually, both veno and mystic pet heals at level 10 heal 540hp +30% of magic attack.Kristina_t - Heavens Tear wrote: »Venos can tank with herc unbuffed due to the much stonger pet heals they have vs mystics summon heals.
The difference is that level 10 Heal Pet only takes 95 mana, whereas level 10 Heal Summon takes 275 mana + the mana needed to supply chi to the summon for aggro.
Probably cheaper just to get a herc instead of burning through charms 24/7.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Kristina_t - Heavens Tear wrote: »Venos can tank with herc unbuffed due to the much stonger pet heals they have vs mystics summon heals.
This proves you know nothing about mystics.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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actually mystic pet heals are much better, anyways...
seems i can tank almost as good as an herc.(tks baluh and everyone else)
i will hope that 16k def wont make my SUMMON b:chuckle dies at 1 hit.0 -
ObamasElf - Sanctuary wrote: »actually mystic pet heals are much better, anyways...
seems i can tank almost as good as an herc.(tks baluh and everyone else)
i will hope that 16k def wont make my SUMMON b:chuckle dies at 1 hit.
b:sweat This means a full mag AA Veno will heal more than any hybrid LA mystic with the same weapon. Have fun though.Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »Actually, both veno and mystic pet heals at level 10 heal 540hp +30% of magic attack.
The difference is that level 10 Heal Pet only takes 95 mana, whereas level 10 Heal Summon takes 275 mana + the mana needed to supply chi to the summon for aggro.
Probably cheaper just to get a herc instead of burning through charms 24/7.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Hercs can be even more powerful with the pet skills from the faction base as those are stronger than the legendary skills they come with originally. I've got a veno friend that bought and put 'herc" skills on a little cat. She's able to use the cat to tank many bosses.I **** bigger than you...
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ObamasElf - Sanctuary wrote: »actually mystic pet heals are much better, anyways...
seems i can tank almost as good as an herc.(tks baluh and everyone else)
i will hope that 16k def wont make my SUMMON b:chuckle dies at 1 hit.
Mystics are fail at tanking. If you want to solo TT roll a Veno. Even with same stats a mystake trying to heal a Veno pet the heals fall way below the amount of hp restored by the pets owner. Also Venos can start soloing squad mode at 70. Kinda fail to have to get to 100 an still not be able to do that on a mystic.0 -
Not to mention the Def between Herc and Devil.. heck even my Golem is sturdier than Devil.
That makes the Heal frequency for Mystic is higher, combined with high MP usage, have fun.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I have a mystic and a herc veno. And I can tell you that a mystics devil cannot tank a squad mode tt. Maybe a solo one, but depends on the lvl of the tt. The devil has far lower hp and def then a herc. The heals are the same except the mana useage and the mystic channels it faster, but that is nessary because of the squishyness of the summon. And using LA armor isnt going to help you, in fact it will actully lower your heals as the heals are based on your magic atk, and LA armor lowers your magic because you have to put points into dex, which takes those points away from your magic. As far as I can tell (I could be wrong on this) your def has nothing to do with your summons def. I believe your summons def is a set amount at each lvl. And the Faction base pet scroll is ONLY for the veno.0
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Ok i admit it...i should roll a veno.
anyone can give me information on those base skill?
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mystic pets are mainly for DDIng, not tanking. devil can tank some things, but its not nearly as good at tanking compared to a herc, but its DPS is much higher then a herc.
maybe a full +12 R9 mystic can reach herc status on devi tho. really depends on gear i guess. personally i never seen stats of a devil with a full rank 9 mystic with all +12 gear. id imagine its epic tho.0 -
Okay, I have a lvl 101 mystic and lvl 103 veno, by far and away a Herc is a better tank. Mystics pet stats are determined by the mystic's lvl and the lvl of the summon skill. It's not determined by gear, you could have a full r9 mystic with +12, that means diddly on your pet's tanking ability (maybe your own ability to survive things and deal damage, but doesn't effect your pet). Roll a veno with a herc if you want to solo TTs, plain and simple. Herc's are about 70-100 mil during a herc/nix pack sale. Its well worth the investment, especially for higher TTs where amp and purge comes in handy and if your sage, soul degen as well, its just so much more reliable than a mystic.0
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I have a lvl 87 LA mystic. It's great. My chihyu can tank all the
Fb19-51 bosses except for wyvern. It can also tank mini bosses like
Oggo,kimsa and 2 other bosses out by twilight temple. I can also tank all
four of the mini bosses for the FB51 spirit cult. I can solo tank TT 1-1,
1-2 and 2-1. I can do the chrono core boss for the goshiki chain as well
as greedy bloodclaw for the treasure quest. I can tank all those bosses
with my Chihyu. Am I plat MP charmed? Of course I am. I make the majority
of my money in game and i buy charms with that. Not only can I tank bosses
I'm a pretty solid healer for being light armored. My friend is 100+ and
shes a LA mystic and heals just fine in FF without a cleric. Light armor
rocks for mystics. Anyone says otherwise are just hating. Now don't go
make a mystic to tank stuff. I didn't do that just for that reason. But
yes LA mystics can tank some bosses and still heal a squad pretty good.0 -
Below is some data for a full R9 +12 JoSD mystic and the Devil Chihyu. I do not know stats for Hercules so I cannot compare, but this will help with numbers from the mystic side. If I remember right, a Hercules has way more defense than a Devil Chihyu, but the Devil Chihyu has more HP. Also a mystic can heal a pet/summon much more quickly, albeit at higher mana cost, than a venomancer. Another thing to consider is a venomancer with a pataka has a huge variability in their heals, but a mystic using a wand has much less variability in their heals.
Notes:- pwcalc: http://pwcalc.com/f9db9e56e0101d97
- na means not needed to be entered or considered or of interest aka not applicable
- Average survivability is determined by the geometric mean.
Mystic Devil Chihyu ------------------------------------------------------------ Level 101 11 Equip. HP 9540 8,285 Equip. MP 450 4,200 Equip. Vit 95 na Equip. Mag 61 na Equip. Physical Attack na 3,233 Equip. Magical Attack 3156 3,226 Equip. Atk. Levels 73 37 Equip. Phys. Defense 3099 5,414 Equip. Magic Defense 6180 5,369 Equip. Def. Levels 78 39 Accuracy na 6,361 Evasion na 212 Attack Rate na 1 Speed na 8 Mystic's Stats ------------------------------------------------------------- Vitality 100 Magic 516 Strength 55 Dexterity 5 HP 13167 MP 10474 Phys. Def. 4741 Magic Def. 11777 Damage Before Reduction ------------------------------------------------------------- regular Nature's Vengeance Attack Skill 40,343.53 11,443.53 Gale Force Stun Skill 43,288.34 3,814.51 Thicket 60,567.78 2sparked Nature's Vengeance 62,183.05 Gale Force 679,964.94 Survivability ------------------------------------------------------------- Same Level PvE Phys. 59,282.12 28,284.60 Same Level PvE Magic 77,246.40 28,284.60 Same Level PvE Average 67,670.75 28,284.60 Level 150 PvE Phys. 48,096.82 22,947.89 Level 150 PvE Magic 59,282.12 22,947.89 Level 150 PvE Average 53,397.39 22,947.89
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For reference, I also give stats of a full light armor lunar nirvana +12 JoSD mystic and its Devil Chihyu.
pwcalc: http://pwcalc.com/a82e330379183fefMystic Devil Chihyu ---------------------------------------------------------------- Level 101 11 Equip. HP 10670 8,632 Equip. MP 0 3,829 Equip. Vit 45 na Equip. Mag 45 na Equip. Phys. Attack na 3,048 Equip. Magic Attack 2820 3,041 Equip. Atk. Levels 34 17 Equip. Phys. Defense 6842 7,473 Equip. Magic Defense 7009 5,734 Equip. Def. Levels 71 36 Accuracy na 6,361 Evasion na 212 Attack Rate na 1 Speed na 8 Mystic Stats ---------------------------------------------------------------- Vitality 55 Magic 376 Strength 104 Dexterity 120 HP 13881 MP 8067 Phys. Def. 8029 Magic Def. 10535 Damage Before Reduction ---------------------------------------------------------------- regular Nature's Vengeance Strong Attack 22,734.71 9,898.46 Gale Force Stun Attack 25,015.66 3,299.49 Thicket 47,197.80 2sparked Nature's Vengeance 37,849.91 Gale Force 424,019.15 Survivability ---------------------------------------------------------------- Same Level PvE Phys. 85,692.04 35,167.20 Same Level PvE Magic 102,830.45 29,306.00 Same Level PvE Average 93,870.93 32,103.11 Level 150 PvE Phys. 65,916.95 27,352.26 Level 150 PvE Magic 77,901.85 23,670.23 Level 150 PvE Average 71,659.28 25,444.73
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For further reference I include how much the two can heal.
Build Base Magic Attack Heal Range Full R9 +12 JoSD 14732-14856 6520.44-7409.40 Full LA LN +12 JoSD 18517-21295 5309.24-5348.92
Assuming:
Level 11 Heal Summon = 595 + 32% Base Magic Attack
Level 11 Devil Chihyu and unbuffed mystic (forgot to mention before.)
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I've been using Storm Mistress to range tank all this time. Didn't realize I was doing something wrong. -lol
If a Summons only gains a percentage like 20% of your stats for def/hp; then why would it be the one tanking anything other than a [?] mob at range?Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
To the argument about the pet heals....
Both are equal and heal the same amount of HP plus same amount of %. The rest is determined by the player's magic attack. Furthermore, the Mystic's pet heal has faster channeling which is what makes it "superior" or whatever you want to call it. For a venomancer to achieve that speed they need a lot of -chan gear albeit mystic heal pet consumes much much more mana.
To the tanking argument...
The devil is surpassed by the hercules by far. Your best bet is for you to body tank. You have heals, Salvation and healing herbs and you should be fine, provided you tank something that is tankable by your gear and that you can outheal the damage. Summons are only good for tanking [?] bosses anyway (and a few other things). I see the summons more like DD support with the exception of Salvation.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Even at 100% -chan, the Veno's pet heal at level 10 (which requires level 93) will heal at the same speed as the Mystic with 0% -chan (which then Mystic can max by level 53). Of course the Mystic heal costs more, but it is otherwise better.
Don't see the Devil tanking any bosses that are not well below it's level. Even with the Mystic's rapid summon heal, it just has very low defenses.0 -
Better idea- use full vit stones in your LA armour instead of JoSD and when your defence is reduced to zero you will have some chance of survival...
As for mystics, do the following: get the best gears you can, go LA, then get cleric, BM and and Barb buffs and happy tanking with all those heals and the debuffs you can throw around too.
Or do the sensible thing and get a friend to do the tanking, you heal and DD and you will find life easier all round.
Or roll a veno, which will kill most TT bosses in half the time it will take you...0 -
Both are equally pointless. Roll a 4.0 r9 sin.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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I've been using Storm Mistress to range tank all this time. Didn't realize I was doing something wrong. -lol
If a Summons only gains a percentage like 20% of your stats for def/hp; then why would it be the one tanking anything other than a [?] mob at range?
Interesting idea about using Storm Mistress to range tank. Also, at level 10, summons get 50% of the mystic's equipment values plus their own growth with level and are unaffected by our buffs or sparks.0 -
ObamasElf - Sanctuary wrote: »i want to know if is possible to tank TT on group mode using my Devil chyhyu.
I dont care if i have to go HA or LA to do this, but first i need to know if my pet can be as good as an buffed hercules.
i intend to use an OHT set all with +phy def ,refine it and put some perfect stones(Citrines or garnets) so i can have max HP and def on pet.
to make a comparsion i need 3 informations:
1-how much an well geared veno can heal?
2-what are buffed hercules defenses and HP on lvl 100?
3-how much defense a Devil chyhyu has on lvl 100 (mystic without gears)?
i will make and pw calc set while i wait for some good soul to answer meb:thanks
I remember my Mystic friend was able to solo TT1-1 solo mode with just his own buffs and whatnot. He was also 8X[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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