The Typical question: demon or sage ?

from what i know
sage:
more chi
bubble of life becomes a purify
earth vector has 50% chance to cost one spark
SOR recovers 15% of max health
SOV cost no mana
effect form SOS increases to 5 more sec
psychic will give 10 sec immunity

Demon:
more crits
earth vectors range extends to 8meters
landslide give more crit chance
tide spirit give more crit chance
soul burn cooldown reduced by 5 seconds
glacial shards has a 75% chance to immobilize
sandburst blast weakens earth resistance by 20% for 8 sec





well thats what i got if u want to see all of em go to ecatomb.net to see them n all the other classes skills

sounds like beause of crit demon can be nice n pvp butfrom the looks of it sage can perfome well to so i guess its up to what you like more hope this helped

Sage.

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XKurayami - Lost City wrote: »

...and why?

Sage for the usual attacks, Demon for buffs, Soul of...

Sage and Demon are Equal in PvE
Sage owns Demon in PvP.



That make it clear enough?


/****ingretardsinthisgamelatelymakemewannasmashmyheadthroughmyscreen

Psy PVP absolutely revolves around effective use of your chi. Among many other advantages, sage psy is far superior in chi regen.

Many have said it: if you want PVE, choose whatever floats your boat. For PvP, sage wins hands down.

Beating r9 Psy in tiger event has nothing to do with skill or cultivation, and everything to do with effective use of seeker alts.

My advice would be - compare every psy skill and ask yourself in what way do you use the skill. This is pretty much the way I did it for myself based on my preferences and play style:



Aqua Impact(vote sage) - I simply don't use aqua impact frequently enough to make the demon's 20% chance to reduce chi count. Overall, it's not like I'm thrilled with a 10% extra speed reduction sage provides, but at least it's reliable based on the number of times I will use aqua impact instead of other skills at my disposal.

Spirit Blast(vote demon) - Just like aqua impact, I won't use this skill frequently enough in pvp to make that 20% sage chance to gain chi count. For pve, I def. prefer sage, but overall I'd give slight edge to demon version.

Aqua Cannon (vote demon) - Easy choice because I don't really rely on aqua cannon to kite my opponents nor do I get a chance to use aqua cannon all that often. In addition, primary reason I cast aqua cannon is to nuke the sh* out of the target(s) next to me - so demon wins in every possible way for me.

Landslide(vote sage) - I don't like fighting at close range, so the extra range sage provides comes in handy. Also I don't think demon's 30% chance to increase your crit rate is high enough to be reliable, especially when you look at the amount of times you find yourself fighting close range. If for some reason you like fighting at closer range, demon version is probably more beneficial to you.

Another good thing about demon version is nuking cata barb, because that's one of those situations in which you get to engage in close combat and get to use the bonus crit rate if it procs.


Sandburst Blast(vote demon) - Even though it's just 20% chance, the demon version is still more useful overall because I'm not really much of a fan of that sage range increase - mostly because I'm used to its current range and I wouldn't find myself in a lot of situations where that extra range would really make a difference, whereas the demon's 20% chance to debuff will mean hella lot every time it procs.

Glacial Shards(vote sage) - For me it came down to reliability of the freeze proc rate. Demon 75% chance will still be as much of a reliable combo spell for me as the sage 60% is - in other words, even if I had demon glacial shards, I would still prepare my next spell as if the freeze didn't proc because I can't count on it.

So if the freeze procs, I change my following combo and for that situation I'd prefer to have my opponent frozen for 2 more seconds.

Torrent/Sand Trap(vote sage) - I like my DoTs to keep constant pressure and I'll usually use them on a harder target to stack up damage and have an easier time bypassing charm ticks. Besides that, sage version is also better for pve, so that gives me two reasons why to go sage. Demon's positive side is that it allows more pressure on the target in a shorter amount of time, so it comes down to your play style and which combos you like to use.

Bubble of Life(vote sage) - One of most common reasons why people choose sage psy in the first place. It allows you to purify yourself+nearby squad members. Perhaps one good thing not that known about it is that you can use bubble of life+expel combo which works great in pvp.

Soul of Vengeance(vote sage) - I chose sage version because I don't like getting hit and the sage version allows me to buff others - i.e. a barb can use my SoV buff much more because he gets hit a lot more in TWs. Same applies to pve where I can buff the barb in gv and such.

Demon version has its benefits and if I was focusing entirely on myself, I would say demon is better for pvp - so this comes down to personal preference, if you like turning yourself into a thistle, go for demon (because following the same logic you will probably prefer demon soul of retaliation as well, as it also reflects more damage).

Soul of Silence(vote sage) - A r9+12 psy's soul of silence procs frequently as it is, so I'd rather have that seal last longer on my opponent. I can see merit to both versions, so it just comes down to comparing the percentages for each version based on your gear plans and then deciding for yourself which one would suit you more.

Soul of Stunning(vote sage) - A r9+12 sage psy's soul of stunning lasts longer. Which one would benefit you more depends on your endgame gear plans, so do the math and see which stun will last longer based on your endgame soulforce.

Soul of Retaliation(vote sage?) - I view this more as a defensive skill, to protect me against the first hit which is why I chose sage. In retrospect, I didn't know sage SoR healed upon casting it, I thought it healed you once it's triggered. That is why I put a question mark next to my vote because I need to be r9 first and see how it's healing helps me out in combat - as it stands now, I would give an edge to demon SoR because it reflects more and still saves me from that 1st shot just like the sage version does.

Soulburn(vote sage) - In all the fights where I use soulburn, I need those 2seconds sage provides a lot more than I need the cooldown to be 5seconds lower. So this is a pretty simple vote based on how applicable sage and demon version are in combat.

Psychic Will(vote sage) - Easy choice once again, sage version's 2seconds extra mean a lot and that demon 20% chance to cost no spark is laughable.

Earth vector(vote sage) - one of most frequently used skills, so the 50% chance to cost no spark allows me to use it more often, whereas the demon range increase isn't all that noticeable because in the situations I'd stun multiple targets, I'd most likely stun them with or without that extra range.

Red Tide(vote sage) - sage 50% chance to save 1spark increases your fighting efficiency (if you hit n run, you have more chi for next attack and if you stay in a battle, you have more chi to keep your efficiency high). For example, sage earth vector+red tide can cost a total of 1spark whereas demon always have to spend 3sparks.

On the other hand, the demon red tide gives you more power over a short period of time, so this skill comes down to your play style and other factors such as TW partners - if you have a veno chi hoe allowing you keep a high pace with demon psy, you pretty much eliminate the benefit sage psy skills have over you.

(if you say you don't need a veno because you have chi pots and cloud eruption - well that again allows sage psys to use the pot cd for i.e. ironguard and use genie energy for ad or whatever situation requires)

Tide Spirit(vote demon) - sage only gets 3more seconds of increased channelling while demon get +20% crit rate for 15sec, so obv. demon is waaaay better.

Empowered&Diminished Vigor(vote sage) - Sage version makes your charm tick faster or opponent's tick slower which is in my eyes much better than the demon version (if you are one of them cheap psys who fights with nothing but crab meat, I suppose demon emp.vigor would benefit you more).

Disturb Soul(vote sage?) - I had a tough time with this one, mostly because you don't have enough time in combat to waste it on casting disturb soul since you will pretty much always have 2-3 better options to use rather than that spell.

If you are a person who really likes to use this spell, I'd vote demon because it saves you time. If you only use it in certain situations, chances are that sage longer duration will help you more.

Black&White Voodo(vote sage) - This is one of main crossroads where you have to decide what to do based on your play style. The differences in these skills pretty much give you a blueprint on how you should shard your psy - if you plan to shard JoSD, demon psy will benefit from it a lot more. If you plan to go for DoTs, sage psy will benefit from it more.

Obviously you can be a lazy psy and go full JoSD even as sage but you won't reach your maximum potential as a r9+12 (looks at urdian for a perfect example - though I heard rumours that he changed his mind and started re-sharding some DoTs, wise choice if rumours are true). To explain the whole deal on att/def levels would take a topic in its own, so to keep it simple - if you like to keep a balance between att/def levels, go demon, if you like to go full attack and full defence mode based on the situation, go sage.

Earthen&Aqua spirit(vote irrelevant) - I say irrelevant because it doesn't give an advantage to either path. If you choose to go demon, you can easily shard sapphires to make up for the lost bonus damage and if you go sage, you can easily shard crit gems (which 99.9999% pwi players have no idea about since they've never heard of balancing crit rate with dmg output because at a certain point +dmg shards become less beneficial than % crit bonus)

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sage>Demon for PvE imo becase of Sage SoV/Bubble, and more consistant power from Black Vodoo and masteries. Demons may get more spike damage from their crit-boosting skills and their masteries, but Landslide only has a 30% chance of working and Tide Spirit costs 2 sparks...

(I wont deny that the thought of chaining Demon Sandburst with Stone Smasher would be amazing though b:dirty) In pvp, its likely going to depend more on your skill/gear than your cultivation choice.

This is probably the most help you're gonna get from people in this game lol. Everyone says go Sage for the Chi. Meh. My Psy is still low (currently lvl 50) but just looking at skills, and looking at how the game is played- it's entirely up to the player, not to choose their cultivation, but to take advantage OF their cultivation. My BM is a Sage, and everyone wants demon for the easier APS and demon HF- whoop-dee-doo. I have more fun as a Sage. However my Psy will be demon for sure. As Euthymius said, it's about your skill as that class- not your cultivation. So, choose your side, practice your skills, and you're set. Besides, in TW you can take your time if you need chi, and in duels.. well who doesn't get full chi before they start? Anybody? No? Didn't think so. Plus: Who's gonna cast Master Li's Secret Technique while they're dueling? (the big Chi skill for Sage everyone loves). Seriously though, choose whatever you want. Psy's are unique, so just have fun with it! b:victory

With my experience:
To kill ppl who have the same gear or better gear, demon is the better choice with crit skills