Let's talk about the devs.
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Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »@SylenThunder - Sanctuary: What elements editor are you using?
@Sylen: Godspeed, sir. ;[[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »I'm not even sure what that could refer to, but... can we please keep this discussion to topics that won't get the thread locked? Thanks. :P
I use sELeditor, I wonder what it is he is using.I'm a guy, not a woman, that is all
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Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »I'm asking what program he's using, that's nothing that can get the thread locked. and it's development-related. so if you don't know what you are talking about, please refrain from assuming it's not ontopic
I use sELeditor, I wonder what it is he is using.
I'm not saying I agree with their censorship policy, but I was enjoying this thread as it was, and I'd rather not see it closed for breaking the rules here (even if I don't agree with them). You'll notice Sylen removed a direct link to a pserver earlier in this thread for the same reason.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »You said "elements editor." Elementclient is the name of the main PWI executable. Thus from my limited understanding, it seems to me like you're talking about a program that edits game files - something that the staff here does not like and do close topics for discussing. If I'm wrong on that, please correct me.
I'm not saying I agree with their censorship policy, but I was enjoying this thread as it was, and I'd rather not see it closed for breaking the rules here (even if I don't agree with them). You'll notice Sylen removed a direct link to a pserver earlier in this thread for the same reason.I'm a guy, not a woman, that is all
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yes, sELedit is what I use on my private server for making modifications. that data was extracted from my server files.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »yes, sELedit is what I use on my private server for making modifications. that data was extracted from my server files.I'm a guy, not a woman, that is all
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I just did an export of the mob data. There is more detail to the server files than the client files. I think a lot of it has to do with pathing.
Now lets get back to the discussion of the PWE/PW-CN dev's.
I mean really, most if the things that are broken in the client today are SO easy to fix, why don't they?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Let's talk about the devs.
They are all idiots.
Example: Tideborn.Facebook.com/foxi187
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My respect-o-meter is about to blow up. I love this thread so much. Finally people showing the truth to the masses, with evidence to boot!
This is also making me want to set up a private server again.[sigpic][/sigpic]LOVE
Information: It is proven that the majority of the Perfect World International player base suffers from "Motorcylophobia".
-Every single patch to an MMO causes players to cry: "They Changed It, Now It Sucks". Every. Single. Patch. -Taken from TV Tropes.0 -
I find it funny that just today another MMO will be shut down that was ruined with patches and expansions quite a while ago.
Some upset people resorted to writing their own server software from SCRATCH and they managed surprisingly well. The engine is basically done and in testing, and I have to say that game was way more sophisticated when it comes to game-mechanics. Granted, it took them some time, but they did it in their own spare time.
Every single time I read the pathetic "patch notes" here I think about that project.0 -
_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Let's talk about the devs.
They are all idiots.
Example: Tideborn.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
★"New weekly quests! "Discover the bug in the patch""-Nihillae★"My father would beat me if he found out I was QQing over a virtual pony."-Neurosis★"You're amongst the biggest blobs of fail I've ever seen in my life."-Ninnuam★"A statistic said 3% people of the world get enjoyment primarily from making people upset, and you are trying to discriminate them"-ilystah★["How To Tank Rebirth Order Delta (86+)"-Stickygreen Barb (1)restat. you want full magic, Arcane armour build (2)when mobs come /faceroll on your keyboard and you will one shot all the mobs (3)rinse and repeat]★"I've been spammed with 3 poops for 2 hours."-ColdSteele★"If someone fights learning, I don't bother with them outside of amusement factor."-Telarith★"This thread is a joke right? Please say yes."-eatwithspoons★ "This is why you don't post your opinions on the internet, most of the replies you get will be from people who missed a hug or two sometime in their youth."-Alacol★"Sexy! A post with a Binomial Distribution."-Asterelle★"It's about time PW starts to separate out the noob Sins from the rest."-salvati0n★"Shoo troll >:O"-TheDan0 -
In the end, I would just be happy if they would bother to fix some of the many bugs that have plagued the game since closed beta. Quit adding new content. Quit writing new OP gear. Quit making more failed events that are just full of even more bugs.
The most awesome expansion would be "The Bugfix Revolution".
I see more and more people moving to, or creating their own private servers simply because they are more stable. Because they haven't been screwed to hell by fail developers. And a wonderful bonus, no sins.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »And a wonderful bonus, no sins.
That last bit isn't exactly true... However for those who do have the newer races are more greedy than pwe.
So much so more greedy... I really hope pwe would take them down... b:lipcurl[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Sigh.
If we must discuss pservers, let me point out why I'm not in favor of them.
I respect the concept, you see. Y'know, the old chestnut of "the devs/GMs/execs/clowns/etc have their heads up their rears, and anyone can do a better job of running the game for the sake of the community." Thus, most pservers are started with the best of intentions.
And sure, they can fix some bugs... the kind which would be child's play for the official devs to have fixed, if they gave a ****. But then the more dubious decisions come up. What do you do with the game map? The quests? The NPCs? The experience/drop rates? The behavior and purpose of various instances? And how about unreleased gear? Or content that was supposed to make an appearance in the official release, but never materialized? (PWI has a lot of that last one, incidentally)
And there's the rub, ladies and gents. You can't decide those questions with any kind of consensus. Even on a server with the best of intentions, run by the best of people, decisions will be made that alter game content and alienate players.
Just to show you what I mean... here's my own personal vision of what a PWI pserver should be like. It'd have all the updated content (no small feat, I know), but APS would be nerfed to 3.0 or maybe 2.5 so that sins will cease to be the problem they are and class balance would, by and large, be restored. R8 would be restored to its place as a revered goal rather than a common standard, R9 would not exist, and packs would have all "gear opportunities" taken out of them (if they exist at all). It would revert TT3 to its original form, and provide the option to play FF both in its current form and as the gear-farming instance it started out as. It would have a tweaked exp and drop rate, but only for the higher levels... making the early levels essentially as leisurely as they always were, but allowing high-level grinding to still have some value to it. "Easing the curve," if you will. Quest rewards would be tweaked upwards in a similar manner.
That's my dream server right there. But it'll never happen, and frankly it shouldn't... at least, not under an individual's leadership. What right do I have to decide all those things? I'm sure there would be some people wanting me to expand the map (I probably wouldn't), or restore APS to 5.0 (hahaha no), or release a whole bunch of new gears to keep the game from stagnating, or any number of other things I didn't mention. You can't please all those people, and if you ignore their valid opinions, you just come off as egotistical (and so maybe it's no coincidence that many pserver owners are).
At the end of the day, we aren't just playing PWI. We're playing a framework - an experience - within which PWI runs. Here, on these servers, PWE (and to a lesser extent, the dev team) makes that framework. Do I agree with all their decisions? Hell no. But it's like citizenship in a country. I may not agree with everything my country does, but that doesn't mean I should run out to the nearest uninhabited island and proclaim it to be the glorious haven of "Anyone But Those Guys," of which I am conveniently the dictator. I could do it... and I could have the best of intentions in doing it... but that still doesn't make it sensible, or productive, or even viable.
I'll stop talking about this for now, but here's the tl;dr. You've got to have a damn good reason to be making a pserver (and no, "those guys are dicks" is not a reason), and even if you do, you still have no authority to be making any game decisions except that which you prescribe to yourself. And in most cases, I just can't get behind that kind of leadership.
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Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »You're mostly right but...
While they did convert the client to f2p, they still kept the p2p version. It's still running, and it got updated with tb few months ago.
Our version is not pw3, its pw2 in english.
I'm genuinely curious, why did the p2p version only get the TB expansion a few months ago?
Maybe my thinking is backwards, because I would have thought the pay version would be the first to get updated.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »I'm genuinely curious, why did the p2p version only get the TB expansion a few months ago?
Maybe my thinking is backwards, because I would have thought the pay version would be the first to get updated.
Think of it this way... if you had to pay a monthly fee to play this game, would you just live with all of the **** and bugs that we have to deal with here?
I know I wouldn't.
They also have faction housing and many other items that are in the client, but PWE hasn't seen fit to release yet.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »Think of it this way... if you had to pay a monthly fee to play this game, would you just live with all of the **** and bugs that we have to deal with here?
I know I wouldn't.
So they actually fix bugs before releasing the content to the paid version, but then don't bother patching the bugs on the free version once they've been fixed?
Lame. b:angry
Although, given the current price of gold, I think I'd happily pay $15/month or whatever the monthly fee is if it meant that everything was available via in-game methods, bugs and all. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
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So basically I TL;DR'd a lot of this BUT!
Let me go and burden you all with my opinion.
Remove Assassins and Psychics.
Make weapons that can hit over 2 APS not able to have GoF or Sac Strike.
CAP APS at 4.0 (Honestly, without S.S. and GoF 4.0 is not so scary)
I can honestly say that even if you neglect these awesome changes that I suggest, that certain players like myself would be happy to go an extremely extended period of time with NO new updates, as long as old content was getting fixed.
I could say that I suspect that a third of all character based skills have an error or glitch associated with them.
I would say that Seekers and Mystics are relatively new, so why is it that the Mystic 100 skill has a 0% chance to reset its cooldown? That is not what the description says... Yet they lowered the mana cost for the Resurrection buff? They seem very closely related to me, so fix one and not the other?
Or even older skills? (Sakubatou eat your heart out) Sage Beastial Onslaught CANNOT zerk, but Demon Beastial Onslaught can, WHY?
To be colloquial, 'Higher-Ups' stop the rush and make players happy, the game is dead anyways, just invest is correcting old **** ups.
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Blade_aether - Lost City wrote: »Remove Assassins and Psychics.
Make weapons that can hit over 2 APS not able to have GoF or Sac Strike.
CAP APS at 4.0 (Honestly, without S.S. and GoF 4.0 is not so scary)
Okay, sorry, just had to get that out of my system. :P But I cant stand it when people say remove sins or psys entirely. I mean, cynicism aside, the fact that we got new classes with RT and Genesis should in theory be a good thing. Sure they have problems, but most of it can be tweaked without removing the classes entirely.
Sins are the perfect example. Imagine a sin who couldn't go above 2.5 APS. People on these boards talk like this character would be a steaming pile of fail. But it's not. A sin is a DD, and it has the potential to be the same kind of DD that Archers or Wizards were before the APS craze hit - natch, one who can deal respectable damage but still has to moderate said damage to avoid stealing aggro from the tank (Barb or BM). As a barb yourself, I think you can understand where I'm coming from here. Without the absurdly broken ability to become a cleric unto themselves via Bloodpaint, a sin is left at the mercy of... well, (a) the actual cleric, but more importantly (b) the two brain cells necessary to adopt an attack strategy other than "mash autoattack and spark."
My sin is 90, and his only APS boost comes from Demon Spark. This is by design - the whole point of the character for me is to see how the class was designed to work (a topic nobody else seems interested in, quite frankly).Blade_aether - Lost City wrote: »I can honestly say that even if you neglect these awesome changes that I suggest, that certain players like myself would be happy to go an extremely extended period of time with NO new updates, as long as old content was getting fixed.
I mean, how 'bout it devs? Make one five-minute change and you can take the rest of the year off. Sounds good to me. XD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »You really have no idea what you're talking about do you...
PWI is not "6gb of code". PWI is 6gb of textures, meshes, maps, all the good stuff you see visually. The actual coding for this game (such as events, AI, quests, etc) doesn't even come CLOSE to 6gb. Don't believe me? Look at your data folder... That's a good part of what actually happens in game. It's only 89 mb too.
Apparently you're even more clueless.
Try finding the error in 89 megabytes of source code, possibly in multiple files. Where is that bad comma, an inadvertent page break or whatever else is causing any problem.
Just take the 2012 version of any of the popular dictionaries. Manually find that one misplaced period or that one misspelled word. GOGOGO. You said it was easy, this would be easier than troubleshooting 89 megabytes of code written, written over, modified, edited numerous times by numerous different people lacking collusion, probably with bad or no notations. Get it done.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Pwi at it is now aint the original perfect world anymore to me as it was.
Back in the days I was in pw.ms which they unfortunatly closed due to lack of updates. No updates after Genies. The 6 classes only (which was actually good to me). I had a blades bm and that days no1 even knew about aps in perfect world.
Another sad thing is that we'll never find out how epic Perfect World would have turned out with the original developers...
Higher level caps more useful content.We'll never find out of epic Perfect World would have turned out with their original developers0 -
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