New players are spoiled !

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have a huge friends list. I imagine the people who skip everything don't - must be lonely or frustrating to find groups for stuff.

Not hard for a lvl 100 5.0 +10 sin, bm, barb, archer, whatever else can get 5.0 to have a huge friends list just from world chat XD. (I know from personal experience on this as for this bm I skipped over everything so I could get to 10x, but then again I originally started on Heaven's Tear so I knew how to play my bm)

I have to totally agree with this. Player now want everything instantly, just given to them. They refuse to earn anything. I miss the old days with players that were willing to learn and would do things with same level parties. Getting wiped by bosses was some of the most fun I ever had in this game.

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*Fixed. Otherwise they usually went no where or people avoided them.

True. Good luck avoiding them now though.b:surrender

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Most of the quality people I know aren't WC spammers by far. The group I ended up FFing from 95-100 was more of a "It's late and my faction is asleep" accident than anything. I still seek them and a few others out first to group with daily.

I have 1 5.0 Archer Id group with. Because they're willing to switch to using a bow.

And dunno, every time I RB with a random group from WC (Call me crazy, I like to make new friends, although its rare...), 95% of the time its super fail. When I do a fac/friends list RB, its so pro its boring. Most of the quality came from fac mates, friends of friends, friends of fac mates, etc - very rarely WC.

Ehhh...amazingly enough (call it dumb luck) I don't have any fails on my friends list. Most of the people I run with are semi-pro/pro/godly at their class (or from their gear making it look that way) that I never have any worries with them.

Though I normally avoid Rebirth...more or less because I don't like ANY squad I get in there unless I know it's a TW guild's squad (cause at least then I know it'll have organization and I won't be the guy that has to go "OH ****, RUN" when the tank or w/e drops dead and nobody but me seems to be able to hold aggro =.=).

As for my 90-100 group...that was from faction mates. I was shortly after the earthguard expansion, one of my friends and I was in a competetion to see who could get to 101 first (I won xD). He had left his veno for a seeker, and had gotten ahead of me so we started doing full runs (since I knew what to expect from the bosses from having done lvl 80 full frost runs on Heaven's Tear way back in the day), so he would do as I instructed and when I hit 99 dear lord did I love it xD. I was **** that place so fast that I hit lvl 100 in no time and then I was 101 before I ever realized what had happened x3 (but then again I got a rule that is, if I get over 15% on a character I go for the next lvl like a starving wolf goes after the first thing it sees as food). Now starting the new year I am finally getting a chance to work on upgrading everything to my final stance end-game armor for this BM. Hopefully it won't take too long as I want to see how much HP I can put on this bm xD.

Why do people talk about 51 like it's so difficult? It's not if you know what you're doing in that level range. I never had a problem with it back when gear standards were lower and at level squads were the norm. Now people even wine 59.

Well to be honest not everyone is like that ive met quite a few low lvl newbies like myself who arnt really like that. So far ive tried to solo as much bosses as i can with help of my heal, pots n genie. But i understand what you guys mean seen it happen before on a previous mmos with high lvl players with gud CS gear still askin for higher lvl help for a a lvl20 cave to give u an idea of it il put in pw terms an all +5 NV barb asking a +12 R9 barb to help him in fb29 (belive it or not)

But yea as the game gets older n ppl get better gear they wud wanna help out in order to show off or expose to newbs the what the game is really like and forget to let them try on there own therefore newbs tend to think they suck so bad n needs someone to hold there hand until they get the same gear n lvl so its not fully the newbs falt its the vets so yea that how it is but you guys shouldnt be surprised with know things like..

the barb that replies wtf is fleash ream? O_0
the all attack cleric that says clerics are the mages of pwi with the highest dph and healing is a waste beacuse he cant heal or res himself
the ppl that ask a veno for res buff
the mystic that thinks its a sin to heal n cragg is a waste of 30 sec of there life
the sin that wants to know when he can learn soul burn n whats the cost
the archer that wants to know how to aoe stunlock in melee range
ect
so yh no surprise there

my condition on helping ppl is : DO NOT WINE IT..... many ppl just dont want help in that case :P

Dunno Wining instances takes the last bit of fun for me, cause tbh bosses are a joke every1 sparks and boss drops dead in 10 secs, mob groups however of different lvls are still fun

And i love the challenge.... meaningless to do everything the easy way.

tho i have yet to do an unwined abaddon all bosses... mite do that in the next few days, when there is abaddon bh.

The exaggerations in this thread are funny. You'd think every single low level BH is filled with nubs crying out for high levels to solo it and demanding help. In reality that's not the case. I've been there a lot lately with my alt when I returned to the game recently. And it's true, only at level 69 did I find my first BH squad that didn't have some sort of higher level helping.

However, what actually happens is that I'd spam "making group for bh29/39/51" literally for hours while maybe getting one or two random members to my squad. At this point, a bored Rank 9 sin or such class with nothing better to do will whisper and offer help. What would you do? I can tell my squad that I've declined the help and force them to wait another hour or two while I shout endlessly, or I can accept the help, get the bh done and everyone can continue their lives. Bh29 squads in particular will NEVER fill, and high level help is almost required.

Sadly, heads have killed BH. Lower levels don't do BH as much thanks to heads and finding a full squad is a nightmare. Some higher levels even offer help because they know how hard it is for lower levels to find squads.

And as for fail players. Not really any more than there was 2 or 3 years ago. So far on my alt I've seen one barb with lv1 flesh ream, and people still don't use arcanes for bh59. That's it. Seen worse in the past tbh, the players who do BH and avoid heads are usually relatively competent and willing to learn.

New players are so fail these days sadly, I just solo / multiclient solo my own BH on my veno and barb and its a lot more better than teaming up with noobs that can't play their classes correctly, when they think "high lvl" is the only way to pass a BOUNTY HUNTER is an excuse for extreme failure. Come on... Are you friggen kidding me? You can't complete an instance with ease that is 10 levels below you? You suck.

Even when the squad does well, some person invites a high level for easy 29, 39 and 51 -.-. Its really annoying. I wish the devs changed the BH system AND make only people around the level range instead so people could stop relying on higher levels... What will they do at high LVL? Same thing, just only look for "uber" more like OP gear with high refines.

Let's see...

I tanked BH51 on my Barb (derp).

I tanked BH51 on my BM.

I tanked BH51 on my Sin...

I tanked BH51 on my Archer......

I didn't tank BH51 on my Cleric. I tried once, it ended in laughter.

TBH, I read the OP's post and got something totally different out of it.

Yes, the Mystic doesn't have Purify. Yes, the Mystics healing salad will die to AOE.

But... That's REALLY not the POINT.

If this were (hypothetically speaking) a 2008 like environment, without hyper leveling and the ability to hit 100 in ****ing 2 days, that squad would have gone in and just done it. Forget if it was successful or not, they would have at least tried.

The spirit of 'lets try it' is gone.

The hypocrisy of players now is a bit ridiculous, people get free exp all day long from BH and what-not, some got a very very very large amount from goons, yet they cry a ****ing RIVER if they die and can't get a level 11 rez.

I stopped helping low level BH groups when I stopped being able to find them for some of my alts, I got kicked from them 'for a high level' a few too many times, and simply because it's faster, easier, and much less of a headache to just run them for myself or have a factionmate take just me on one.

Once again, the players are killing this game, the devs are just helping it along.

It's not the new player's fault, it is how the game is now structured. People always take the path of least resistance. It is just too easy to pay, beg, or befriend a high level to complete an instance for you, and Heads makes levels 1-100 pointless.

Other MMO's have structures that prevent this. So PW is a brave new experiment , we will have to wait a few years to see if it is successful.

BabaORiley - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's not the new player's fault, it is how the game is now structured. People always take the path of least resistance. It is just too easy to pay, beg, or befriend a high level to complete an instance for you, and Heads makes levels 1-100 pointless.

Other MMO's have structures that prevent this. So PW is a brave new experiment , we will have to wait a few years to see if it is successful.

Yep, just what I said here earlier.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

So long story short,I recently created an alt,for fun,blah blah etc etc

Welcome to 2009.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Aye that's exactly my point.Almost always the higher level will leave nothing but an empty dungeon behind, and BH turns into a boring walk.

Its not a problem for veteran players,but for new players its kinda like playing the game for them,high levels should help only when its really needed and not just because some players are so damn lazy.

I remember my old days back in 2009 on BH39 and 51,so many squad wipes,so many ragequits,so many disasters,lol yeah it was hard sometimes but it was also an invaluable experience that no high level playing the babysitter can give.

And I get called an unhelpful **** because I won't help lowbies do their BH unless theres a disaster (Cleric leaves and they can't find another or something, you know the sort of deal).

Fackking n00bs make me wanna cry at times b:sadb:angryb:sad

Mesro - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ive been playin the game a little while now, and I find it hard at times to get a squad for any BH really. I plan to when Im 100+, and have nothing hardly to do, Ill help the lower levels with their BHs and whatnot. I might go full r9 eventually. If I can, Id like to figure out how to make my r9 without payin $1500-1800 real life money. I also am gonna solo FF when I hit either 95 or 100.

Yeah, cause there aren't many people left in the BH29/39/51 level range anymore.

They all either Hypered to 100, Frosted to 100, Oracled to 100, or otherwise powerleveled to 100.

Honestly, it can be less than fun running a BH for some nubs. There are squads with suicidal Sins and Archers, Clerics that insist upon spam healing you BEFORE you can aggro all of the mobs, and sometimes squads where barbs or BM's or whatever will try to aggro so much to try to just kill you (which doesn't ever work...)

I've even been kicked from a squad after clearing to a boss, just to have the squad leader reinvite me 'because we can't kill the boss on our own QQ' (which I turned them down, told them to do it on their own).

Look, these instances have a number. 19, 29, 39, 51, 59, 69, 79, 89, 99. There is an actual REASON for that. If you had a Barb, cleric, maybe a BM, and some DD's that are all that level, you should be able to successfully run that instance. FB19 is really, really difficult, but if 5 venos and a cleric can clear FB19 all at level 19, then it should be much easier with a Barb.

If you are level 6x and BH51 is CONFOUNDING you, you are seriously doing something wrong. I can understand if you have a barb that's half naked and a cleric who is missing half a brain, but it should still be something you can actually do with a squad of nothing but level 51 players.

Anyway...

Mesro, you're gonna have some fun doing FCC solo at 95. Shocktrooper is going to faceroll you. A lot. And by a lot, I mean... Well it depends. If you are charmless and a pure Dex build, every single ****ing time. If you have a charm and have 10k HP, then you will be successful, but you will burn some charm. And by some charm, I mean 10 runs will pretty much be the end of that charm.

Get some Apo to help, and make sure you've got 4.0 or 5.0 sparked before you try to really solo Shocktrooper.