Full RB myths

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
edited January 2012 in General Discussion
First myth.
Barb is a must.
Wrong:
I would change barb for seeker any time. Seeker in RB=100% success. Barb is very easily replaceable and not necessary for full RB.
Second myth.
Wizi is better than psychic.
Wrong:
I did many runs with my wizy and few runs with my psychic. I can say psychic is much better for full RB.
Ability to use stun AOE every 20s. Many spamable ranged AOEs. Wizi's DB has 3s tick. I can do in 3s as a psychic also AOE skill which is more powerful, than DB tick. 8s-10s physical damage immunity and option to switch to white voodoo if you take too much aggro+ 5s seal aura= much better survivability.

If you know other myths, pls feel free to post it.b:pleased
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  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Every class is replacable if your squad got the right gears.
    IJS there's people soloing RB.

    I rather prefer a solid puller that can hp buff all squad...
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Every class is replacable if your squad got the right gears.
    IJS there's people soloing RB.

    I rather prefer a solid puller that can hp buff all squad...

    Sure. I just don't like, that people rather take wizies that psy. Because they don't know their potential.
    Also they looking for barb in wc for hour. And barb is really not necessary.
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  • Divine_Death - Harshlands
    Divine_Death - Harshlands Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Those 2 are more like common knowledge. Seeker RB's been shown weeks after the expansion. Just because some noobs think so, doesn't make something a myth.
  • MistaBwanden - Sanctuary
    MistaBwanden - Sanctuary Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I hate these threads.
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    MistaBwanden - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I hate these threads.

    And I hate when some1 refuse me because I'm psychic.
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  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    BMs/Seekers have since been pulling/Tanking RB for quite some time since Barbs have become scarce. A Barb for RB is more of a luxury nowadays instead of a necessity.

    Wizards and Psychics...most parties just want a continuous Zhen user or two (or...three?) and they dont understand that Psychics are just as good at AoEing and have a few other nice supportive skills.
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  • Nubispotze - Heavens Tear
    Nubispotze - Heavens Tear Posts: 512 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    First myth.
    Barb is a must.
    Wrong:
    I would change barb for seeker any time. Seeker in RB=100% success. Barb is very easily replaceable and not necessary for full RB.
    Second myth.
    Wizi is better than psychic.
    Wrong:
    I did many runs with my wizy and few runs with my psychic. I can say psychic is much better for full RB.
    Ability to use stun AOE every 20s. Many spamable ranged AOEs. Wizi's DB has 3s tick. I can do in 3s as a psychic also AOE skill which is more powerful, than DB tick. 8s-10s physical damage immunity and option to switch to white voodoo if you take too much aggro+ 5s seal aura= much better survivability.

    If you know other myths, pls feel free to post it.b:pleased

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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Nubispotze - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    lvl 101, yep u do a lotta RB........
    b:question
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  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And I hate when some1 refuse me because I'm psychic.

    But you're psychic and know ahead you'll get refused, so why try? b:chuckle
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wizi is better than psychic.
    Wrong:
    I did many runs with my wizy and few runs with my psychic. I can say psychic is much better for full RB.
    Ability to use stun AOE every 20s. Many spamable ranged AOEs. Wizi's DB has 3s tick. I can do in 3s as a psychic also AOE skill which is more powerful, than DB tick. 8s-10s physical damage immunity and option to switch to white voodoo if you take too much aggro+ 5s seal aura= much better survivability.

    Sage DB stuns 20% every 3 secs which reduces the amount of dmg (along with earth shield) wiz takes. Wiz in DB doesn't benefit from -ch, so it can take advantage of +mag, +atk, +def, etc equips also adding to survivability without reducing DD. Wiz can wipe out half the mobs with Mountain's Seize + Hailstorm which both hinder their movement, then go to DB for the rest. -That's good survivability.

    What is best is usually based on what is already in the squad. For example; a Mystic's AoE seals mobs making them move out which is annoying to some classes. Their Storm Mistress also typically dominates aggro. When paired together with a Wiz; The wiz keeps some aggro off the Mistress, and the Mystic keeps the wiz from getting pummeled constantly. Also; the seal doesn't make them go pass the AoE. An Assassin isn't a good pair for a wiz, but is for a Seeker.

    All the fairly new classes are commonly misunderstood, and looked over with the exception of ones that can do something good that's also stupid easy like Vortex.
  • HardToThink - Lost City
    HardToThink - Lost City Posts: 967 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    This doesn't look like a full rb myth thread. It looks like a QQ someone said noto my psychic thread.
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  • MistaBwanden - Sanctuary
    MistaBwanden - Sanctuary Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »
    This doesn't look like a full rb myth thread. It looks like a QQ someone said noto my psychic thread.

    Exactly.
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    thumbs wrote: »
    But you're psychic and know ahead you'll get refused, so why try? b:chuckle



    Sage DB stuns 20% every 3 secs which reduces the amount of dmg (along with earth shield) wiz takes. Wiz in DB doesn't benefit from -ch, so it can take advantage of +mag, +atk, +def, etc equips also adding to survivability without reducing DD. Wiz can wipe out half the mobs with Mountain's Seize + Hailstorm which both hinder their movement, then go to DB for the rest. -That's good survivability.

    What is best is usually based on what is already in the squad. For example; a Mystic's AoE seals mobs making them move out which is annoying to some classes. Their Storm Mistress also typically dominates aggro. When paired together with a Wiz; The wiz keeps some aggro off the Mistress, and the Mystic keeps the wiz from getting pummeled constantly. Also; the seal doesn't make them go pass the AoE. An Assassin isn't a good pair for a wiz, but is for a Seeker.

    All the fairly new classes are commonly misunderstood, and looked over with the exception of ones that can do something good that's also stupid easy like Vortex.
    Sage stunts but it grab lot of aggro. A NO wiz cannot wipe out all mobs with mountains seize. Maybe first wave. That's BS. Don't forget I did it as a wizard lot of time.
    And I don't talk about mystic. Mystic-physic is also very good combination.
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    MistaBwanden - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Exactly.

    Don't worry I already saw refused archer in RB also and not just once. You will qq soon too.
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  • Ladyhellcatq - Dreamweaver
    Ladyhellcatq - Dreamweaver Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    ok in the spirit of the thread an since so many are butt hurt about how awesome we are......


    Sins aren't effective in rb---false--- especially rank 9 +12 full dot build ones like myself. With chill and frenzy im hitting while in triple sparked with 145+ attack levels, and I am debuffing aoe, and im crit 40% with God of frenzy on top of that. I am naturally resistant to the stun waves.

    Off topic since we are speaking of full, but on the bh btw, one bm and a healer type with all the rest as sins can easily complete wave three delta.....
  • Divine_Death - Harshlands
    Divine_Death - Harshlands Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Ladyhellcatq - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Sins aren't effective in rb---false--- especially rank 9 +12 full dot build ones like myself. With chill and frenzy im hitting while in triple sparked with 145+ attack levels, and I am debuffing aoe, and im crit 40% with God of frenzy on top of that. I am naturally resistant to the stun waves.
    .

    So? A R9+12 of other class still hit harder. You are there for BP. b:bye

    Oh yeah, attack aura kills your precious triple spark.
  • nakhtuul
    nakhtuul Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »
    This doesn't look like a full rb myth thread. It looks like a QQ someone said noto my psychic thread.

    Pretty much. I mean, it sucks yeah, but so what.
    Divine_Death - Harshlands wrote: »
    So? of other class still hit harder. You are there for BP. b:bye

    Oh yeah, attack aura kills your precious triple spark.

    Doesn't kill the -int bonus though.....

    Archers are rarely said no to in RB...their ranged damage is excellent for the ranged mobs, esp the flying ones.

    And well, BM's are rarely said no to as well...Their buff, along with their aoe stuns and debuffs, is priceless.

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  • Eden - Raging Tide
    Eden - Raging Tide Posts: 301 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    op join since 2009 and only now have epiphany about barb and psy? where the **** u been?
  • Manostra - Harshlands
    Manostra - Harshlands Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Lol when i read the Topic i thought someone made a Full RB with a only Mystic Squad but it turned out to be a QQ Thread.
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  • killersarequiet9
    killersarequiet9 Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Just roll a seeker and sage sin, dual log, and solo it?

    ... Makes sense to me =D

    Assuming RB is cross-server term for delta, sounds like a wonderful idea ;)

    OR people could stop being stupid -.- I've seen wcs asking for 4 seekers a cleric and a barb

    ... GL getting BP or ranged mobs b:laugh


    Best full delta I've ever had, Barb, BM, archer, cleric, me and a psy.

    Continuous AoE is stupid easy and over-rated x.x
  • Ladyhellcatq - Dreamweaver
    Ladyhellcatq - Dreamweaver Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    obviously talking about doing spawn point so aura's dont do anything to triple spark. Fact is rank 9 sins kill the mobs atleast 1/3 of the way all by thierself with two attacks and so contribute plenty of dd aoe power to a delta squad so obviously the current attitude towards sins in delta is wrong. Sure non rank 9 sins are gonna be less effective an I could understand them getting turned down.

    Also by the attitude of well a (inset class0 +12 rank 9 does more dmg, that isnt the point -the point is rank 9 sins are currently turned down for even bh deltas and the one to actually get the spot is most likely not rank 9 an most likely not even doing as much aoe dmg.
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    lol

    anything at R9 triple sparked can take off 1/3 or more of the hp of those mobs b:laugh
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  • _Ghoul_ - Lost City
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City Posts: 973 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Ladyhellcatq - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    obviously talking about doing spawn point so aura's dont do anything to triple spark. Fact is rank 9 sins kill the mobs atleast 1/3 of the way all by thierself with two attacks and so contribute plenty of dd aoe power to a delta squad so obviously the current attitude towards sins in delta is wrong. Sure non rank 9 sins are gonna be less effective an I could understand them getting turned down.

    Also by the attitude of well a (inset class0 +12 rank 9 does more dmg, that isnt the point -the point is rank 9 sins are currently turned down for even bh deltas and the one to actually get the spot is most likely not rank 9 an most likely not even doing as much aoe dmg.

    qq more we all knew sin are not made to be a party class its a solo class wish been kicking ppl from nv from the day they felt superior and i do not knew many sin who dont knew anything other then aps its victim to death.

    sins have gotten this hate themself so dont qq to the rest of us.

    any class can pull but barb do it best off all classes and is the most safest class to do it with r9 or without r9 gear.

    BP is overated i could care less for bp.
  • DeffyNature - Archosaur
    DeffyNature - Archosaur Posts: 1,400 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »
    This doesn't look like a full rb myth thread. It looks like a QQ someone said noto my psychic thread.

    +1, but then again, it isn't the first time op has been QQing over psy-wiz supremacy.
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  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    God, when did you become such a psychic fanboy. Every topic you post in all i read is "Psy is so much better than wiz in everything they do, they even kiss better!". Sure psys are very useful in RB and can spam pretty effectvie aoes. I always do RB together with my gf who is a psy. Wizard and Psy both have their roles, we do different stuff in there. What people always forget when they talk about how awesome psys spam their aoes is that their aoes are tiny. Really tiny lol. Glacial Shards and Sandburst Blast have a 8m radius (10m for sage sandburst), Earth Vector has a 6m radius. Mobs in RB don't always do you the favor of standing in one small spot. Wizzy DB, and the other ultis, have a radius of 12m. That's more than twice the area of the psychic main DD aoes. While MS sure isn't as spamable as Earth Vector it covers 4 times the area that Earth vector does, along with a 10% higher stun rate (95% compared to 85%). Not saying Earth Vector is a bad skill, it's great, but it has different strengths, different purposes.

    On a side note: Since I changed to demon I found myself using instant cast emberstorm a lot in RB. It's a pretty spamable, non-chi using, instant cast 50% aoe stun - so why not.
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  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    First myth.
    Barb is a must.
    Wrong:
    I would change barb for seeker any time. Seeker in RB=100% success. Barb is very easily replaceable and not necessary for full RB.
    Second myth.
    Wizi is better than psychic.
    Wrong:
    I did many runs with my wizy and few runs with my psychic. I can say psychic is much better for full RB.
    Ability to use stun AOE every 20s. Many spamable ranged AOEs. Wizi's DB has 3s tick. I can do in 3s as a psychic also AOE skill which is more powerful, than DB tick. 8s-10s physical damage immunity and option to switch to white voodoo if you take too much aggro+ 5s seal aura= much better survivability.

    If you know other myths, pls feel free to post it.b:pleased

    need a wiz..WRONG i rather have a seeker..plz sit down.And doing Runs with seekers IMO is slow as hell.And to be honest i ratehr have a barb in my full runs due to hp/str buff with combo of the aura's,even if your in a squad of 13k hp unbuffed cs'ers.

    We barbs may lack in numbers but for our lack in number we still have more that can run a RB than 90% of the seekers in pwb:laugh

    but again my choice as a seeker over wiz is jsut in fact they take it alot better..ijs
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  • Templar_Giga - Heavens Tear
    Templar_Giga - Heavens Tear Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    When you have an awesome Psychic (like my Princess's b:heart) on your squad, along with other competent squad members, a Cleric isn't really *needed* for victory.

    Sage BoL is awesome. b:dirty
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  • ReMakaBo - Archosaur
    ReMakaBo - Archosaur Posts: 845 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    need a wiz..WRONG i rather have a seeker..plz sit down.And doing Runs with seekers IMO is slow as hell.And to be honest i ratehr have a barb in my full runs due to hp/str buff with combo of the aura's,even if your in a squad of 13k hp unbuffed cs'ers.

    We barbs may lack in numbers but for our lack in number we still have more that can run a RB than 90% of the seekers in pwb:laugh

    but again my choice as a seeker over wiz is jsut in fact they take it alot better..ijs

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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    First myth.
    Barb is a must.
    Wrong:
    I would change barb for seeker any time. Seeker in RB=100% success.

    Was doing barb-less GV since before TB.

    b:bye

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  • ZackMystic - Harshlands
    ZackMystic - Harshlands Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    :L i feel noobish... I thought this thread was about the clerics skill!!! That id have use of knowledge for QQ
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  • Man - Raging Tide
    Man - Raging Tide Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Phschics are just as good, but who wants to micro for 2 hours when you can just press a few buttons with Zhen.

    Btw damage wise me a barbs combo can do about 80k - 200k in about 10 seconds to a wave of delta mobs. Without hf! So don't tell me seekers do more dmg than barbs. Barbs have the highest spike aoe dmg in the game, and can keep mob aggro with it as well. After the spike dmg though other classes can catch up for the pdef resistance mobs and 500k hp mobs.
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