[Review] some positivly negative criticism on the mystic class.

I love Mystics. "Jack of all trades" is actually an understatement (I will explain why).
This thread has a lot of complaints and people point out "flaws" this class seems to have. Presonally I think people just close their eyes for the advantages of a Mystic and just QQ around a lot without even thinking that there might be a point to it. If some would just get to know the skills, spend some time to actually play a Mystic and gain experience... Well, maybe there wouldn't be so much complaints because they would know how to either avoid "problems" or develop a playing-style where those problems don't really accure.
[Don't be offended. Citicism is totally fine! But no QQ b:chuckle]

Maybe I'm able to get another view on this (lovely) "flaws" we have:

- Massive MP-drain: YES, it is true that we're almost always low on MP. We just pour that MP-liquid down our throats and try not to choke on it. BUT you have to admit, that the skills are worth it. Also you can get a skill at lvl 79 that gives you MP back [current mana +2k] and although it has a cooldown of 5 minutes (long long cooldown) it can be a help, if you use it at the right time. Furthermore you can use Devine-Quest-Pots that are a actually for free and add herbs (50 herbs for ~30k - you get that sum in a few minutes). You can use both potions at the same time, so you regain your mana in an instant. Problem solved.

- Herbs need Demon/Sage: They do. Period. Let's just wait, maybe we're lucky.

- Pets need buffs: Huh, a slight buff would be awesome of course but actually i can live without it so far. As long as my Devil can tank solo 3-1 I'm fine. Other than in this situation, when does your pet actually tank (except mobs)? Not too often, I guess. Also there are only few bosses who oneshot your pet, so you're fine with your pet-heal.

- MOAR DD-skills pls!: It is ture, that we have our spam-skill a.k.a Nature's Vengeance. I'm fine with it, to be honest. You have to: heal your pet, (support-)heal your squad, heal yourself, cast herbs (lyse, recast), cast falling petals now and then (on you and others), command pet, DD - we should be glad we have this very fast spam-skill we can use between those actions. There is always plenty to do and actually my skillbars are full, so I'm happy with my good old reliable NV. It would be awesome if we had a stronger AOE or at least a little less cooldown on Mistress' AOE and gale force. Other than that, we're fine.

- Stronger heals: That would be almost unfair: Falling Petals, Vital + Healing Herb, Shield, Break in the Clouds - try to die. If you go Sage your Break in the Clouds even has a chance to purify. OP much. I can't really comment on the lvl 100 healing-skill as i don't have it yet but in the skill description the heal is called powerful.

So if we eradicate all the "flaws" a Mystic has this class would be pretty much overpowered and this is not the point in a game. We would get a Clerivenowizarb, could easily make "all-mystic-squads" and run havoc [b:chuckle I'm getting dramatic, ignore that]. Mystics are very versitile and can change their roles in a squad in a second. Either you go to support your squad and be a life-saver [had that too often] or you go and deal damage, if no support is needed.
Especially in instances i mostly get those comments: Mystic!

regarding the plants and sage/demon abilities. I could see this as viable if they added like one thing to the plants Lysing. for instance if you use lysing on punishing sting sage version added a short stun and demon version changed it from 4x damage to 6x or something. most mystics i talk to agree it would be nice just not necessarily needed.

regarding summons needing buffs....why? you aren't a venomancer you dont rely on pets (even though many venos are going HA and dont rely on them either) once you get to decently high in level your gear gives the summons enough of a boost on its own to handle most situations almost without heals IF you dont rely on them. I pretty much stopped using my devil for anything but pulling mobs. I use mistress alot now cuz mana is not an issue after 75 and salvy cuz I'm just far better a tank myself.

here is a better suggestion for summons than needing buffs: stop the dang catas in TW from killing them. you want a painful situation try to take on a barb with a cata. you can effectively knock it back and freeze it in place and all that good stuff and heck barbs dont hit too terribly hard you can probably stall one out or kill it solo.....till that cata behind it 1 shots your salvation which was keeping you alive. want to use devil to stun someone near the barb? nope. want to aoe the whole mass around the barb? dont bother with mistress and odds are cragglord might get off an attack but that cata will 1 shot it too. and no you are not safe when the cata is targeting a tower or even your crystal. they will actually pause the attack turn toward you and launch a boulder of death at that poor unsuspecting soul following right behind you

Oh I have played a mystic since they came out and by played I mean I have only been in fc with it like twice so I have plenty of experience behind me.

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I believe every word of that and I've only been on one FF with you on your psy Its clear who is plvled and who isn't and you my friend are not one of those fail nubs... makes me wish I recorded the tankbarbpsy in action QQ

xD Psy's are a fun class to play. And youre a good example of a well rounded Mystic might i say. Since we had no cleric on the FFs, you knew when to heal and when to DD. b:victory

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

blah blah blah and more blah...gibberish and fail troll is fail..

lol... rage more please troll.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

what it really seems like is that you cant take criticism of your own class which sounds like a personal problem to me. if u cant take the heat then gtfo of the kitchen. the kitchen being my thread.

Oh I can take criticism, but it just seems so stupid to start a thread criticizing a class you supposedly love. If you love it so much, then why take the time to write negative things about it? Instead do something more useful like play this class, or just reroll.

-facepalm-

lmao, OP is funny on this thread

Not sure why, but this funny thread reminds me those started by Yulk_owns.

Barunaa for the LOSE b:bye

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

Assuming you have a NORMAL squad, 2-3, Giant Ape. Can a mystic purge the boss like a veno? ... Didn't think so.

BH69/FC (Decaying Fragrance) - Can a mystic purify debilitating debuffs? 90+ in FC the sin will be tanking (assuming good gear) and clerics have a hard enough time keeping them alive until 100+ without purify it can't be done on bosses that debuff like that.

And I'd LOVE to see a mystic solo-heal Delta or Caster (but would HATE to be in that squad when they do.)

3-x Giant Beast has a purge effect rendering mystic rez next to useless.

When is anything in this game normal anymore?

No, we cannot purge.. but with the gear today, do you really need to purge ape? Two years ago, when I first did ape, we had to go with 2 venos to alternate the purges. Today, I can solo heal a typical farming BM through the buffs.

Technically speaking, yes, we as mystics *can* purify debuffs. Sage Break In The Clouds has a 25% purge chance, which can either be faster or slower than a clerics purify dependant on luck. When I first made my mystic and was maybe mid 90s, I was able to solo heal an archer who attempted to tank it. It took a long *** time to do, but we did it. Same goes for the BH69 bosses.. maybe not as effective as a cleric, but then again, we have our spidervine which reduces the bosses damage, our vital herb which group heals (while a cleric has to stop healing the tank to do so), and our very spammable break in the clouds. Again, with gear today, it is very possible.

As for Delta, I have not yet tried solo healing for it, because it seems like far too much effort on my part when I have an alt cleric who can stand there and do it for me.. but I have done a full rebirth where my cleric DCed for a few waves, and it took us a while to replace her.. I think it was maybe 5, 6 and 7? I'm not entirely sure.. but I would think it would be doable with a competent squad (Which sadly, is few and far between).

Caster.. I've hardly done, because it's boring and a waste of time. I spend 2x doing 99 key boss runs. Going to attempt a duo at some point.. seems only worth my time off 2x if I'm desperate for the coin.

Giant Beast Boss says something when he is about to purge, and therefore you can absolute domain, apoth or spark to prevent it. Smart squads do this to prevent having to rebuff any type of buff, not just the res buff, and even still it is recastable. I have solo healed a BM for all of TT, it's really not that bad.

Honestly, it depends on both the squad skill and gear, and the individual mystics skill and gear. Just because one person might not be able to, doesn't mean someone else can't.

b:cute Stop bashing my class. Mystic > You.

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

Ok...

I'm going to start by saying this. I've played every class to 80 between my accounts.
I repeat PLAYED. Not plvled.

Yes, mystics CAN replace clerics for CERTAIN things, but even still are NOT as effective.

Assuming you have a NORMAL squad, 2-3, Giant Ape. Can a mystic purge the boss like a veno? ... Didn't think so.

-b:chuckle

BH69/FC (Decaying Fragrance) - Can a mystic purify debilitating debuffs? 90+ in FC the sin will be tanking (assuming good gear) and clerics have a hard enough time keeping them alive until 100+ without purify it can't be done on bosses that debuff like that.

All they need is enough HP, it can easily be done.

And I'd LOVE to see a mystic solo-heal Delta or Caster (but would HATE to be in that squad when they do.)

When a Cleric's BB drops: suddenly there is no defense bonus, Chromatic takes a long time to ch/cast, and ties up the cleric from focusing on main tank. In the same situation; a Mystic could have Spidervine and vit herb out, Warpshield on party, Aegis Sphere + Falling Petals on main tank, and be able to heal anyone in a pinch faster. If you're a Sage Dragon's Breath Wizard; you'll probably struggle with insufficient heals from vit Clerics which wouldn't be the case with a good Mystic.

Mystics have a skill that all casters NEED but if memory serves correctly neither a veno or a cleric has. That skill is called "Knockback" Bramble Tornado FTW.

Neither needs this skill. Wizard has Knock Back but lacks Plume Shell, Wings of Protection, and IH. When veno's pet no longer holds aggro; it's time for veno to kill mob before it reaches them w/o knock back.

guys i saw some ppl saying abt earthguards are fail because no aps,

Are u kidding me? full of idiots this game:
they made earthguards for skill spammers not the fking 5 aps,
u take a barb: lets make it demon 5 aps
u take am archer: lets make it demon 5 aps
u take an sin: lets make it demon 5 aps
u take a bm: lets make it demon 5 aps
some of u take a venom:lets make it demon 5 aps

Enough with aps, finally pwi saw and something different from aps,
and also,
mystic have negative points ye, i aggre,
and if u dont like them dont play them, omg u post a thread just to say the negatives?
Full of idiots and meanies pwi,
Listen something and understand it all:
1st:earth guards are skill spammers
2nd:mystics got and heal and pet thats why they meda both kinda weaker(we cant have anything in that life)
3rd: ppl are on forums to take information about their class and help them improve, not to read useless threads

just gonna say....mystic is the second jack of all trades in this game.


First was us BM's.