New cleric skills (by Korren/Bubbles)

Hollyyy - Lost City wrote: »

Who heals during pvp anyway unless its during TW? I know i dont.

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Hollyyy - Lost City wrote: »

Who heals during pvp anyway unless its during TW? I know i dont. Plus, anyone pvping should have a charm and crabs anyway.

I do . Charm/HP food are bonus, nothing close of the cleric healing ability . Unless you've been attacked by Soulburn, WS can save you while your charm is in cooldown .

J_Voorhees - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hm, I do not quite understand, why the No Exp Loss skill is so good....

If it is a lvl 100 skill, what is the point then? Getting to lvl 101 is easy, and there is no real point in leveling any further.

If you get to learn it at lets say 70 ish it might be a usefull skill i admit, but then again, hypers are so cheap, leveling is so easy in this game. It still doesnt seem worth it in my eyes.

Agreed, just a nice bonus not a must-have skill i guess.

J_Voorhees - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hm, I do not quite understand, why the No Exp Loss skill is so good....

If it is a lvl 100 skill, what is the point then? Getting to lvl 101 is easy, and there is no real point in leveling any further.

If you get to learn it at lets say 70 ish it might be a usefull skill i admit, but then again, hypers are so cheap, leveling is so easy in this game. It still doesnt seem worth it in my eyes.

Is it the best skill? No.

Is it a good skill? Yes.

For example, I have sage rez. If I die, and no one is in squad who can rez me, I lose FULL xp. By saying that its not good, I would have to ask you, would you rather have me, who has level 11 sage revive to rez you, or would you rather have a cleric who has not leveled their rez past 1 to rez you. Everytime that a cleric dies, and has to run back, or has to scroll, that is essentially what they are doing. Level 11 sage/demon rez is not there for them. Not level 10 rez, not even level 2. We lose the whole percentage throughout, so a little reprieve at the end...when it requires millions upon millions to level is a nice relief. Do I believe that at around level 70 it would be better, sure. But better late than never. At least around endgame, with my rez what it is, now NO ONE, myself included has to worry about XP loss. So, yes, I'd say that its a good thing. Also, if you want to level past 101, which I admit that I do, then it is very helpful.

Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

20 secs isn't that long of a time period. Given you won't use this on bosses

Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If a squad can do full instances without a cleric healing them for 90% of the run, I don't see why a cleric can't DD for at least half of that if needed.

The damage increase is minimal... and you think MM / MM skills are for PVE well... Nevermind. b:bye

Cedro - Sanctuary wrote: »

The damage increase is minimal... and you think MM / MM skills are for PVE well... Nevermind. b:bye

I listed some PvE examples to go with my previous PvP ones seeing as most of the PvP/TW related ones should be rather obvious (Ray and Aurora are pretty given) from the skill descriptions themselves and do not require much thought beyond that.

Feel free to tell me how the following have no useful PvE or PvP applications whatsoever...

Arc ray of disease: debuff ur target, increase the chance of taking crit dmg by 15%.

Sincere: give ur target Deaden Nerves buff, recover 50% hp when taking effect, last 8sec.

Tianyin thunderstorm symbol: metal mage version of soul burn! debuff ur target , each time he try to atk or use skill, he has 30% chance take phy dmg equal to ur magic atk. last 1min. 50chi

and additional damage when using normal attack skills in MM mode (Cyclone/Wield,etc)

Cedro - Sanctuary wrote: »

What the metal mage really needs to be effective is:

1. A good increase in damage: I was expecting a metal damage increase of 20-40% for god sake, miserable 6-7% in exchange of disabling all heals is just brutally unfair.

2. A buff skill that in crease our defense: Plume shield is just not enough, either a passive skill that increase our defense like verdant shield or make plume shield a 30 mins buff and it only takes half of the MP damage that it takes now.

3. An antistun skill.

4. A teleport away skill / Knockback skill.

5. Make the soulburn-like skill deal magic damage instead of physical, and raise the activation to 50% or more.

I mean, from your first post I can tell you want Clerics to be like Archers/Wizards (knockback/antistun/Distance Shrink), but realistically that is more class breaking than what you are actually getting. Pretty sure cleric got a bunch of support like debuff skills for MM mode because, lo and behold, Cleric is a support class. That is why they didn't get hax'd out DDing skills :P. And to disagree that the extra damage isn't better than not having it when one needs to DD is just ludicrous. Extra damage is always helpful.

Apologies for being one of the few people attempting to gain positive insight from the new skills (on page 2). I know you come across as a person enthralled in negativity (as evidenced by your first post), but honestly, it could have been worse. Sorry your wish list was not met, perhaps you meant to roll a mystic since you seem to want their buff and knockback? I mean who would even post such a list for a cleric (a support class)?

I would like to quote you here since I feel its relevant:

Cedro - Sanctuary wrote: »

...it seems that whoever made Cleric's skills [wishlist] knew nothing about clerics and just dropped random stuff on it and call[ed] it a day:

Back on topic, does anyone know what old skills are actually usable still in metal mode? before discounting the entire skill set?

Chrisssss - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yeah gotta agree I don't like investigation nore the one that makes you drop all DQ items. Only skill I really like is the new shell. Overall however I think the clerics really got screwed over with these new skills but who knows only time will tell how useful they are.

Well see how the sage and demon adds on will be if they have em assuming it will.

It seems like they are stand alone skills with no sage/demon version (like 79/100 skills), but I agree it would be awesome if they had sage/demon versions, but is very unlikely.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Is it the best skill? No.

Is it a good skill? Yes.

For example, I have sage rez. If I die, and no one is in squad who can rez me, I lose FULL xp. By saying that its not good, I would have to ask you, would you rather have me, who has level 11 sage revive to rez you, or would you rather have a cleric who has not leveled their rez past 1 to rez you. Everytime that a cleric dies, and has to run back, or has to scroll, that is essentially what they are doing. Level 11 sage/demon rez is not there for them. Not level 10 rez, not even level 2. We lose the whole percentage throughout, so a little reprieve at the end...when it requires millions upon millions to level is a nice relief. Do I believe that at around level 70 it would be better, sure. But better late than never. At least around endgame, with my rez what it is, now NO ONE, myself included has to worry about XP loss. So, yes, I'd say that its a good thing. Also, if you want to level past 101, which I admit that I do, then it is very helpful.

i disagree with u in this whole post i am sorry. When u play a cleric it is your role, and you do know it is your role to stand up without a rez. So when you choose to play cleric you should not qq about loosing exp upon death.
When I die in a squad, i ofc want a lvl 11 sage revive, since it is ,as a non cleric, not my role to get up and run all the way back int if the squad got wiped.

And the next thing is, we still do not know the prices of the new skill. I for sure would not even bother to get that skill. As i posted at lvl 70 it is very easy to lvl and at lvl 101 it is not important to lvl any further. If it is your goal tho to get the last 20 attribute points so get it.

J_Voorhees - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i disagree with u in this whole post i am sorry. When u play a cleric it is your role, and you do know it is your role to stand up without a rez. So when you choose to play cleric you should not qq about loosing exp upon death.
When I die in a squad, i ofc want a lvl 11 sage revive, since it is ,as a non cleric, not my role to get up and run all the way back int if the squad got wiped.

And the next thing is, we still do not know the prices of the new skill. I for sure would not even bother to get that skill. As i posted at lvl 70 it is very easy to lvl and at lvl 101 it is not important to lvl any further. If it is your goal tho to get the last 20 attribute points so get it.

Lol, you miss the part where 99% of the time the cleric dies because of other squadmates' fault.
I don't mind loosing full xp once in a while because of a squad fail, it happens to everyone.
But if you actually played a cleric for a while, you'd be pissed off and understand why this passive skill is nice.

J_Voorhees - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i disagree with u in this whole post i am sorry. When u play a cleric it is your role, and you do know it is your role to stand up without a rez. So when you choose to play cleric you should not qq about loosing exp upon death.When I die in a squad, i ofc want a lvl 11 sage revive, since it is ,as a non cleric, not my role to get up and run all the way back int if the squad got wiped.

And the next thing is, we still do not know the prices of the new skill. I for sure would not even bother to get that skill. As i posted at lvl 70 it is very easy to lvl and at lvl 101 it is not important to lvl any further. If it is your goal tho to get the last 20 attribute points so get it.

You seem to have misunderstood me.

I was explaining to you WHY this is a good skill for clerics to have...not qq'ing about XP loss. Of course, I get up, scroll up, purchase scrolls, run back to the entrance, and rez my teammates because that is INDEED part of a cleric's role. Also, if I die because of a mistake of a teammate, then I do have the right to QQ. That's not what I'm doing here though. I was explaining WHY it is a nice skill for a cleric to have. Also, you wanting a level 11 rez to save your xp, as you die in squad as a non cleric, and wait for a poor cleric to run all the way back, rez you, and heal you, then feel that they shouldn't want or like something that saves their xp is unfair.

The second paragraph in yellow, you missed the point again. I'm not mentioning price or anything. I'm stating that this is WHY the skill is nice to have. Not losing XP like the rest of the squad is fun and nice for a cleric. That's why we like it. It helps a little on the cannot rez myself issue. At least our XP is safe even if we do have to buy scrolls, and run all the way back at times.

Whats the point of playing a cleric if you cannot heal?
If you want to DD as a magic class, play a wizard.
I'm sticking to heals.
It would be nice to get a anti-stun yes but other then that no.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

what idiot would do that and how long do u think an IH stack lasts, add to that the casting/switching seconds.

You know my post is totally correct the purpose of metal mage mode is not to stay there for THAT long is to give a temporal boost to the DD power on clerics. As I said you COULD use more bonus to have more adventage of this. Dont you see the purpose? let me just give you an example. *battle starts* Sleep>MetalMage>Debuff>Spark>Thunder>Defeated OR Sleep>Metal Mage> Debuff>Tempest>Defeated. If that fails then metal mage has no fault YOU do for being undergeared. The only thing that you needed to match wizards BIDS was a little boost of your metal damage now you APPARENTLY (cause we are forgetting that these skills are just a rumor) have it so go pwn light and heavys bit.ches. For arcanes just use the same triple sparked plume shot possibly combined with the charm cooldown debuff. There is so many things to do. The devs just cant give you all directly you have to learn how to play.

Ok now for PVE.. Well if the tank is competent enough you could stack him and go DD the hell out of the boss.

PS. Hell why am I saying all this if you want dont use it. Or you could with no problem switch constantly like venos no veno has been banned for spamming fox form ijs....

Eillysium - Archosaur wrote: »

You fanciful clerics are always looking for the best trades >.>. Dont you think there ARE other classes that DO have to go into an annoying and useless form to cast skills. coughvenocough*
Venos have to be constantly switching to fox form to be able to cast their debuffs. All you want is to be OP If you stack IH properly BEFORE switching to metal mage mode your HP bar will rarely go down. However what I do agree is that you should get more attck bonus to get the adventage of these skills. They DO know the class bitc.hes as THEY were the ones who DESIGNED them. You should shut up and get over it....

I have to say that is dumbest response I've read through this entire thread.

"Don't you think there are other classes do have to go into annoying useles sform to cast skills"

Considering a Veno and a Barb are both INSTANT cast into switching forms and increase their running speed you can't compare a arcane cleric taking 3 seconds to change forms and running at 4.8 speeds per second. Also, Veno's get an INSANE amount of defence increase AND they can purge while their nix **** the living **** out of you.

Also, clerics need something similar to Mystic's Falling Petals, not giving yourself IH that only lasts for 15 seconds. Giving yourself IH and then switching to metal mage mode is so inconvenient. Oh, and may I add while you switch to metal mage mode "sin pops out" trolololol.