Seeker in Nirvana runs

Sympathi - Archosaur · November 2011

Erryne - Sanctuary wrote: »

QPQ sage version has a cooldown of 45sec, vs lv10/demon with 60sec. I'm sure that is what she was referring to.

Beside, with how easy it is to get R8, I'm sure they can switch weapon during cooldown if they have acces to it. Also apply to when they don't feel or need to be transferring debuff to target.

Yea sage has the shorter cooldown allowing the quicker use, and yea i suppose with R8 priced at 72 gold it would be easy to switch between.

i was just referring to solely using a T99 Berserk blade, after triggering the buff/ debuff and QPQ your pretty likely to trigger it again within the 60 secs putting you at a disadvantage but using it as a switch between for a free 25% Amp for 10 secs would help but it would be in situations were your trying to amp the target for other people, wouldn't be worth the time to trigger and QPQ when you could prob do more damage with the R8.

krittycat · November 2011

Just so everyone is aware, this is currently being reviewed as to whether or not it should be allowed.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · November 2011

KrittyCat wrote: »

Just so everyone is aware, this is currently being reviewed as to whether or not it should be allowed.

Reallly? Because it's just using the skill description for it's natural PvE uses. And how would they even enforce it, if it wasn't allowed? Its supposed to transfer debuffs, who cares where the debuff came from. And how would they enforce it?

Broederjr - Lost City · November 2011

ibn a nerf which buffs can be transfered kitty let gms also nerf wiz undine plz or actually any debuff

krittycat · November 2011

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Reallly? Because it's just using the skill description for it's natural PvE uses. And how would they even enforce it, if it wasn't allowed?

Don't ask me, I'm just relaying the message. And I would assume it's because you're using it to put a debuff on a boss that was never intended to be affected by that debuff.

Again, this is just under review anyway, I have no details about the legality or illegality of it.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · November 2011

KrittyCat wrote: »

Don't ask me, I'm just relaying the message. And I would assume it's because you're using it to put a debuff on a boss that was never intended to be affected by that debuff.

Again, this is just under review anyway, I have no details about the legality or illegality of it.

b:surrender Yeah I know, it's just a bit surprising to hear. Since they aren't actually glitching anything, it's just the devs didn't think clearly about balance once again before putting something into the game. Like interval.

krittycat · November 2011

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

b:surrender Yeah I know, it's just a bit surprising to hear. Since they aren't actually glitching anything, it's just the devs didn't think clearly about balance once again before putting something into the game. Like interval.

It could be determined that this was how the skill is intended to work, I don't know. I'm just throwing a heads-up to everyone doing it that it's under review.

Nniotora - Lost City · November 2011

i for 1 hope they dont do naything to the way this skill is intended we already have had to many nerfs : heart shatter,mind shatter,soul shatter and adrenal numbness if they put Quid Pro Quo onto this it would be to much.But lets see how this goes

Asgardeus - Sanctuary · November 2011

Lol, there's so many rules that aren't enforced. If they can't keep people from ini editing, how the hell do they wanna control seeker using a single skill?

Sorry, but that's just funny :P

krittycat · November 2011

Asgardeus - Sanctuary wrote: »

Lol, there's so many rules that aren't enforced. If they can't keep people from ini editing, how the hell do they wanna control seeker using a single skill?

Sorry, but that's just funny :P

My thought would be that they would fix it so that bosses that can't be HF'ed and amp'ed normally also couldn't have the de-buffs transferred to them.

ReMakaBo - Archosaur · November 2011

Only thing I could see them considering as an exploit, is being able to "duel" in the instance. But transfering debuffs shouldnt be messed with-

Asthariel - Dreamweaver · November 2011

I don't see how dueling in an instance is an exploit, you can duel in most the other instances, and I've always seen ppl dueling in instances, nothing new here.

Azzazin - Dreamweaver · November 2011

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'd grab the 95% hp debuff from cube room 14. I think that lasts 60 seconds. Might be able to make it with tele stones

EDIT: Squad signet instead of tele stone.

Doesn't work. To use a squad signet, you cannot be in combat mode. Also, any sort of attack interrupts the squad signet, as I recall. In order to get the debuff, you have to go into combat mode. Same with teleport stones, can't use when in combat mode.

OIdpop - Heavens Tear · November 2011

welp looks like another "tactic" the dev's will fix isince u know nirv does bring profit,profit brings gold buyers..actually to be honest i think the high rolling coin people make the cs'ers buy the gold to sell..so hats off to our epic billionars ingame its you tht keep the game going.

Broederjr - Lost City · November 2011

Azzazin - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Doesn't work. To use a squad signet, you cannot be in combat mode. Also, any sort of attack interrupts the squad signet, as I recall. In order to get the debuff, you have to go into combat mode. Same with teleport stones, can't use when in combat mode.

seeker can go out that room in 2 sec using blade affinity> town portal should work if they use telestone right after to go to wavebreaker camp but to much of a hussle from it

ReMakaBo - Archosaur · November 2011

Asthariel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I don't see how dueling in an instance is an exploit, you can duel in most the other instances, and I've always seen ppl dueling in instances, nothing new here.

Mhm, nothing new---just a class that can transfer buff is "new" lol--- Like I said, if they to consider anything an exploit, they should consider that dueling in instances as one at most- Not nerf our skills.

Baby_pho - Heavens Tear · November 2011

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

Dosnt "Inflict" the debuffs, it Transfers it, big difference. b:chuckle

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9341/37980084.png

The Effects have already been activated, resisted or not before they are transferred.

for 1 second? so the debuff goes to the target for 1 second... i dont think it makes a big difference. wouldnt make a seeker more usefull or less usefull in my opinion. 2 bms would be much better on bosses that you can hf on. 2x the glacial spike or a veno would b better, hell a cleric with dimensional seal would b better or barb devour.

again i dont know much about seekers but just reading the skill of the picture above.

krittycat · November 2011

Baby_pho - Heavens Tear wrote: »

for 1 second? so the debuff goes to the target for 1 second... i dont think it makes a big difference. wouldnt make a seeker more usefull or less usefull in my opinion. 2 bms would be much better on bosses that you can hf on. 2x the glacial spike or a veno would b better, hell a cleric with dimensional seal would b better or barb devour.

again i dont know much about seekers but just reading the skill of the picture above.

The debuff lasts until it's supposed to go away as determined by the debuff skill/level of the skill. The silence is what lasts for 1 second.b:chuckle

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · November 2011

KrittyCat wrote: »

Don't ask me, I'm just relaying the message. And I would assume it's because you're using it to put a debuff on a boss that was never intended to be affected by that debuff.

Again, this is just under review anyway, I have no details about the legality or illegality of it.

can you relay our message to whoevers saying that, that the players here think there is other far more important things that need to be changed besides a DDwannabe-classes' puny skill usage that doesnt even amount to much like a split end on a hair.

XXZeonXx - Harshlands · November 2011

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

a DDwannabe-classes' puny skill usage that doesnt even amount to much like a split end on a hair.

If you've PvP'd on a Seeker and you knew what you were doing, you know how useful and sometimes "OP" this skill is. Period. I can say for a fact that without this skill it'd be a LOT easier to kill me as a Sin, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

QPQ makes a huge difference in PvP, and potentially in PvE as well.

I.E transferring the Zombie Legion Marshal in GV's half HP debuff back to him, transferring back soulburn, undine, HF (say hello to the reason Seekers can score so high on damage rankings), nix bleed (that's hilarious), Archer immobilize, Sin immobilize, etc.

But it would be nice to convince the devs that this skill was near useless.. I would be extremely upset if it got nerfed.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · November 2011

XXZeonXx - Harshlands wrote: »

If you've PvP'd on a Seeker and you knew what you were doing, you know how useful and sometimes "OP" this skill is. Period. I can say for a fact that without this skill it'd be a LOT easier to kill me as a Sin, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

QPQ makes a huge difference in PvP, and potentially in PvE as well.

I.E transferring the Zombie Legion Marshal in GV's half HP debuff back to him, transferring back soulburn, undine, HF (say hello to the reason Seekers can score so high on damage rankings), nix bleed (that's hilarious), Archer immobilize, Sin immobilize, etc.

But it would be nice to convince the devs that this skill was near useless.. I would be extremely upset if it got nerfed.

read the post and look at which side im actually tryin to argue for before you just jump in.

good lord you just gave an even more legit reason to justify what the devs are 'thinking' to do
if your gonna be extremely upset if it gets nerfed, its not wise to blurt out something thats the exact opposite of modesty.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · November 2011

Can a seeker can time QPQ to transfer the silence debuff from expel to a boss?

Sympathi - Archosaur · November 2011

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Can a seeker can time QPQ to transfer the silence debuff from expel to a boss?

Afraid not I've tried it

Best you can do is crimson soul powders 33% HF for 15 seconds, TT99 greens berserk effect, Cube HP Debuff (have someone waiting at a WB or GB NPC, debuff yourself BA Town portal, teleport stone anywhere then Squad Signet)

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide · November 2011

Why aren't people happy with teh already existing in-game mechanism ??

Nirvana not easy enough for u 4-5 aps to blaze through it , u have to find a way to "bend the rules" to hf a non hf-able boss ?

Continue finding things like that people and game will become bad..

Who bended the rules to glicth the goons in FC ?

Who got punished ? Other players by having the exp they give reduced..

So now what, u want a nerf on that seeker skill ?

Hey, since u want to mix debuffs in cube as well in there, let's see another plausible scenario...

Seeker has a wife in game, and close connection skill from 300 hearts..

Seeker logs out his char in room 14 while wife tries to find a world boss..

Wife finds world boss, seeker logs, egts 95% hp debuff, tp's out, uses close connection, inflicts 95% hp damage to world boss.

There, u want to bend the rules, i'll help you :P

Edited : Not encouraging people to glicth or whatnot, just showing how ridicoulus proportions this thing can become.. Stops freakign trying to bend the rules..

I hope you mods/gm's dopn't ban me for this post, I just want to show how trick and bending can take this too far..

So what now, they will make all bosses in nirvana immune to all debuffs ? Nice going people, really...

Sympathi - Archosaur · November 2011

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

Continue finding things like that people and game will become bad..

Who bended the rules to glicth the goons in FC ?

I just thought i would point out why this is different to glitching goons in fc.

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide · November 2011

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

I just thought i would point out why this is different to glitching goons in fc.

I see ur point,but to me, putting a status effect on a boss that ain't suppose to be affected by it = Glitch too

XXZeonXx - Harshlands · November 2011

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Can a seeker can time QPQ to transfer the silence debuff from expel to a boss?

Yes, and this works very well in PvP as well. Just expel yourself during the channeling period. If you practice with the timing on this, then it becomes easy, and you can move onto more challenging things like learning to time QPQ near perfectly to transfer back a Sin's throatcut, which cancels channeling.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

read the post and look at which side im actually tryin to argue for before you just jump in.

good lord you just gave an even more legit reason to justify what the devs are 'thinking' to do
if your gonna be extremely upset if it gets nerfed, its not wise to blurt out something thats the exact opposite of modesty.

Deceptistar, in my last two sentences, I was in fact acknowledging that I knew what you were trying to do. It's not like Kritty's going to take my post and copy paste it to the devs, telling them, "THIS NEEDS TO BE NERFED."

I can see where you got the assumption that I was trying to argue, but that wasn't my goal at all. The examples in my post were more aimed towards those who didn't see the sarcasm in your original post.

Sympathi - Archosaur · November 2011

XXZeonXx - Harshlands wrote: »

Yes, and this works very well in PvP as well. Just expel yourself during the channeling period. If you practice with the timing on this, then it becomes easy, and you can move onto more challenging things like learning to time QPQ near perfectly to transfer back a Sin's throatcut, which cancels channeling.

Deceptistar, in my last two sentences, I was in fact acknowledging that I knew what you were trying to do. It's not like Kritty's going to take my post and copy paste it to the devs, telling them, "THIS NEEDS TO BE NERFED."

I can see where you got the assumption that I was trying to argue, but that wasn't my goal at all. The examples in my post were more aimed towards those who didn't see the sarcasm in your original post.

i stand corrected, good job never thought of that lol b:chuckle

Cocoa_Buff - Raging Tide · December 2011

seekers are great in Nirvana.do the math and then tell me how a veno is better...

sage soulshatter on any HF able boss increases that effect 150% as it is a fire skill
sage northern sky waltz places a -20 def level debuff on ANY boss in Nirvana
sage soulsever places - 10 attack/def level on ANY boss
smart seekers come in with Crimson Blood Powder which,when used,places a 33% HF-like effect on said seeker,who can then use QPQ to transfer that to ANY boss

Cytte - Harshlands · December 2011

Cocoa_Buff - Raging Tide wrote: »

seekers are great in Nirvana.do the math and then tell me how a veno is better...

[*]sage soulshatter on any HF able boss increases that effect 150% as it is a fire skill
[*]sage northern sky waltz places a -20 def level debuff on ANY boss in Nirvana
[*]sage soulsever places - 10 attack/def level on ANY boss
[*]smart seekers duel BMs to get an 100% curse on the seeker,who can then use QPQ to transfer that to ANY boss

wrong, it makes the damage the skill does 150% not the curse
boss is usually dead by the time it procs
fixed it for you so it works

Things a veno can do (demon/sage)
25/30% amp
0/40% p-def reduction (demons can get a pet to cast a -38% (?) pdef reduc while demon ironwood aintprocing)
bramble (not like it does much but its something)
pass chi
Look sexy

though honestly I'd rather go to caster NV as a veno for better drops

G-dammit can PWI fix thier forums I keep getting the rgb codes when trying for colors

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