Occupy PWi (A Question Thread for the Admins/GMs)

Bashmaster - Raging Tide · November 2011

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I guess it comes down to shooting the messenger. b:surrender

das messed up yo

Allisandre - Sanctuary · November 2011

KrittyCat wrote: »

And frankie comes in to answer every single question to the best of his ability. Take that, doubters.b:pleased

It might have been more impressive if he arrived back on page 2, or even when he visited another thread and responded to it.

Plus this...

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

... seeing frankie on the forum is like watchin a hit-and-run accident.

Also...

Bashmaster - Raging Tide wrote: »

why does everyone lump everything on frankie? theres more GMs you know b:surrender
plus i think he gets enough disrespect from reading a different thread

It's because he's the CM, the person that supposedly relays information between us and the company. it's his Job. Too bad he's not better at it.

VKnightV - Lost City · November 2011

well today was wierd there was not much wc spamm and even less ppl selling frost room
so idk what this means does it mean you guys have started to penalised the biggest offenders or was it a random bad time for when ppl are sleeping.

i do hope at some point ppl realise not to abuse a known glitch after franky just said that your working on the biggest offenders wish i am not sure if this is done now atm or in the near future.

maybe a good wc in lost city server with a gm telling the ppl off this fact will make ppl realise not to break them wish again would we need at least have a gm go to said server and spamm world chat about this very fact.

i am tho happy that again franky admitted its on the tablet and i will have to see what does come out of it.

about franky we should we content he at least did come and tell us this much.

i mean the glitch and the abuser have been free for how long and nothing have been done except to tell them to not glitch it.

it took like a whole week for ppl to stop world chat about it i facepalmed each and every time

Northern - Dreamweaver · November 2011

I frankly dont understand how the sale of 11 and 12 orbs has anything whatsoever to do with security reasons or server instability. Fact is every merchant who had gold an every smart cash shoper got them while the rest of us did not. It is wrong that we don't get a decent chance with an anounced sale for an anounced amount of time at the same prices.

Hideori - Lost City · November 2011

KrittyCat wrote: »

And frankie comes in to answer every single question to the best of his ability. Take that, doubters.b:pleased

doubters not happy. doubters dont like answers. doubters gona doubt.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · November 2011

frankieraye wrote: »

1. Action has been taken on some, and will be taken on more shortly. The fact that the glitch existed and that we were not able to close it up for so long was our own fault, so it doesn't feel right to severely penalize everyone who exploited it. That said, the worst offenders' accounts have been found and will soon be seen to.

You said they were going to be and now because you were slow, it's not. You know what's unfair, all the people who did level this way you strung along and convinced not to do it for months. You should have just made it legal. All those 105s have an unfair advantage over people who did what you told them to do. That's whats not right. If you know who they are, you should punish them if not you're severely punishing the people who listened to you. Who did what you asked while those guys make millions and gain advantage over other players that will take over a year to catch up to doing the legitimate way for any non-sin. I may not PVP but anyone can see what kind of precedent you're setting by letting cheaters gain an advantage over players who listen to you that they cannot hope to overcome. We're talking millions in lost money when they fc instead of nirvana, we're talking months of playtime. Oh well.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · November 2011

frankieraye wrote: »

1. Action has been taken on some, and will be taken on more shortly. The fact that the glitch existed and that we were not able to close it up for so long was our own fault, so it doesn't feel right to severely penalize everyone who exploited it. That said, the worst offenders' accounts have been found and will soon be seen to.

the worst offenders frankie, are the ones that leveled from 103 to 105, if you look at it in terms of cumulative exp gained ;o
exp chart

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · November 2011

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I guess it comes down to shooting the messenger. b:surrender

pretty sure there are things that need to be messaged and things that dont need.
prob is that both messages are taking long sometimes ;o some are out of PWIs bounds as their waiting for chinas answer but some are within PWIs own power.

Knownase - Heavens Tear · November 2011

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

the worst offenders frankie, are the ones that leveled from 103 to 105, if you look at it in terms of cumulative exp gained ;o
exp chart

Nice chance most of those are nice juicy cashshoppers the company can enjoy though.

Tiana__ - Sanctuary · November 2011

frankieraye wrote: »

1. Action has been taken on some, and will be taken on more shortly. The fact that the glitch existed and that we were not able to close it up for so long was our own fault, so it doesn't feel right to severely penalize everyone who exploited it. That said, the worst offenders' accounts have been found and will soon be seen to.

b:thanks

So you penalize those that didnt exploit the glitch by taking away the exp from the dragoons after the exp room ?? Yeah thats fair NOT.... I used to always run full FCC runs to help LVL my toons now its not worth the time so to lvl now well Ive given up as I hit 100 on my mains. Wish I had taken advantage of the glitch now rather than doing it the hard way and quest etc.

Aizza - Harshlands · November 2011

truekossy wrote: »

That's how it's supposed to work? Quick reply = respond + quote post you hit quick reply on. Are you new to this forum software or something?

And your two threads were far from legitimate. They were trolling at best.

The OP is correct.

Look at what is happening. Game breaking glitches taking forever to fix and the persons obviously using these, allowed to continue on. Look at EA - they banned hundreds off accounts permanently. What message is PWI using by not?

I've been in a version that slowly died and the key is the forum. When 60% begins to be trolls, or 50% off topic - when information is old, outdated or impossible to find. Then the game itself, pushing hard to squeeze out coin before.. what?

I'd like to know if PWI is getting the same level off attention from PW as the other games. And honestly, it's kinda sad when their anchor game just seems forgotten. I love the new add-ons, but they have been along time coming.

Massad - Harshlands · November 2011

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You said they were going to be and now because you were slow, it's not. You know what's unfair, all the people who did level this way you strung along and convinced not to do it for months. You should have just made it legal. All those 105s have an unfair advantage over people who did what you told them to do. That's whats not right. If you know who they are, you should punish them if not you're severely punishing the people who listened to you. Who did what you asked while those guys make millions and gain advantage over other players that will take over a year to catch up to doing the legitimate way for any non-sin. I may not PVP but anyone can see what kind of precedent you're setting by letting cheaters gain an advantage over players who listen to you that they cannot hope to overcome. We're talking millions in lost money when they fc instead of nirvana, we're talking months of playtime. Oh well.

^ This....

I wanted to glitch... Never did... Because and I quote... "It was a bannable offense".... I really have stopped playing pwi again for a good long while... Skyrim is awsome IJSb:surrender

It was available for so long, left such a huge gap in players, and the offenders get away scott free... Not all but some.... I hereby give you the longest word in the Texas language to describe this) BULL****

Re raise the exp rate back to normal make it legal and shove the whole thing under the rug because now there is no way to fix this correctly, and still maintain a game balance

DUMBASSb:angry

W/e I am going to go shoot someone on bf3

Massadb:bye

_Ghoul_ - Lost City · November 2011

may we have a clue who this biggest offenders are how do you decide this cos in the end they all did it so we the player base would like to knew who to expect are the one who are getting punished as the biggest offenders.

are they one who are discovered maybe the one who lv them from lv1 to 105 in a few days.

i would really like to knew this

_Ghoul_ - Lost City · November 2011

this barb did get one lv from said glitch from 100 tp 101 from 40% and if i do get banned for it i dont mind as long as glitechers in general do get to knew not to break said tos.

sure seem to be to many kids in pwi nowdays who think they are god and can do anything in the pretext its just a GAME.

thief and killing and cheating is not b:angry

Tiana__ - Sanctuary · November 2011

They wont give you names or action taken...knowing PW probably gave them a 3 day ban b:chuckle

FiveAps - Dreamweaver · December 2011

on a friday afternoon they're gonna ban every offender for life. Then on Monday they will revert the bans with a message around the lines: " nex time will be permanent"

things that we learn from this? abuse all PWI glitches to the max. If you don't do it someone else will then flash his "achievement" all over the place. Breaking the rules in PWI has no consequence other than looking llike a stupid whiner when you and ask for fairness/justice/their own rule book to be applied.

Knownase - Heavens Tear · December 2011

Yup, if you see an exploit, abuse it, GMs won't do much.

:]

The__Sun - Dreamweaver · December 2011

Bellarie - Raging Tide wrote: »

Don't hold your breath, Frankie's got an awful record at this kind of thing. If and when Frankie shows up, I expect he will be using vague and purposefully insensitive terms like "soon", "in the near future", "I'll see what I can do", and "I can't give you any specifics/details/information". That latter term is the worst, as I find it akin to holding a string with a piece of meat on it in front of a hungry animal and keeping it just out of reach.

lol you nailed it

Sparc - Harshlands · December 2011

Bellarie - Raging Tide wrote: »

Don't hold your breath, Frankie's got an awful record at this kind of thing. If and when Frankie shows up, I expect he will be using vague and purposefully insensitive terms like "soon", "in the near future", "I'll see what I can do", and "I can't give you any specifics/details/information". That latter term is the worst, as I find it akin to holding a string with a piece of meat on it in front of a hungry animal and keeping it just out of reach.

frankieraye wrote: »

1. Action has been taken on some, and will be taken on more shortly. The fact that the glitch existed and that we were not able to close it up for so long was our own fault, so it doesn't feel right to severely penalize everyone who exploited it. That said, the worst offenders' accounts have been found and will soon be seen to.

2. We're saving it for a special occasion. You'll see it soon.

3. I'm sorry, but I can't divulge any more about this issue for security reasons.

4. The GM's are perpetually busy working to resolve customer issues, but I can see about there being more random red text for your enjoyment.

5. Those messages were actually built into the game, and they must have gotten removed during some major patch. I know that there was no reason for us to want to remove them. I'll look into it and see if we can bring them back.

b:thanks

Hmm, I swear it's REALLY funny that these two posts wound up on the same exact page b:chuckle

Even funnier that Bellarie hit the nail right on the head ! b:laughb:laugh

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary · December 2011

They can't ban all the people who glitched otherwise it will be a HUGE dent in their profits. Colossal.

They won't give us the DQ compensation because they just said it to shut us up for the time being. I am sure most of the people forgot about it until you said something.

This game revolves around $$$$$$

Why haven't you tards figured that out yet???

mogwai · December 2011

The hudge "dent" will come from not following through with said promises as more & more people get fed up. It won't be just ending a few hunderd accounts, it will be ending the game.

Ban the exploiters, if they want to come back (suggesting it's not their last straw), then who cares they'll just get busted for something else all the while new players come..some of them who will actually abide by the ToS.

_Bloody_Fox_ - Lost City · December 2011

mogwai wrote: »

The hudge "dent" will come from not following through with said promises as more & more people get fed up.

Looks like they are in a pickle either way! LOL

SkogDyr - Lost City · December 2011

ROFLMHAO You nailed it! Thanks for pointing it out!b:laugh

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · December 2011

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

They can't ban all the people who glitched otherwise it will be a HUGE dent in their profits. Colossal.

what dent. By this point in time pwi prolly squeezed all what they need from those 105s

krittycat · December 2011

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

They can't ban all the people who glitched otherwise it will be a HUGE dent in their profits. Colossal.

They won't give us the DQ compensation because they just said it to shut us up for the time being. I am sure most of the people forgot about it until you said something.

This game revolves around $$$$$$

Why haven't you tards figured that out yet???

What are you talking about? They added the newest item to the DQ Rewards Page already. The item that they added was the Maiden-Kissed Chests... Maybe you should catch up on recent history before trying to ignite flames in threads.b:surrender

SkogDyr - Lost City · December 2011

KrittyCat wrote: »

What are you talking about? They added the newest item to the DQ Rewards Page already. The item that they added was the Maiden-Kissed Chests... Maybe you should catch up on recent history before trying to ignite flames in threads.b:surrender

Kritty, with all due respect (and you are one of the few people crawling the boards that has any respect from me at this point)...

The new DQ reward, Maiden-Kissed Chest is a bit of a joke. If it gave the buff pots 100% of the time, I might feel different. Seriously? Socket stones and chips? Not really a big draw there. 1000 DQ points to buy a chance at getting something useless to higher lvls isn't much of a reward.

Before the DQ NPC price nerf, we could farm and it was worth it. Now... we get to chose from some rather non-exciting rewards at horrible DQ point cost.

Speaking for myself, this is the major problem for the current way of PWE...
build hype, make great statements and .... <insert wah-wah-wah comical let down noise here>

It's the same thing with the snowman issue. If China won't let PWE change the code back to the old snowmen, a GM should come right out and say it. That way we can focus our efforts on bombarding China with our disgust.

While it is said that PWE cannot change code from China, we do know that PWE does control the in-game economy. The CS is PWE's baby. So when an item is taken out (fairy boxes, General Summer's...) and ends up in the CS soon after... hmmm Makes one wonder.

As much as it pains me to admit, I don't think a comment or explanation from certain GMs will be listened to anymore. We need someone with a higher "pay-grade" to try to undo the damage that has been done to PWI's credibility over the past couple of years.

Eilexa - Heavens Tear · December 2011

SkogDyr - Lost City wrote: »

Kritty, with all due respect (and you are one of the few people crawling the boards that has any respect from me at this point)...

The new DQ reward, Maiden-Kissed Chest is a bit of a joke. If it gave the buff pots 100% of the time, I might feel different. Seriously? Socket stones and chips? Not really a big draw there. 1000 DQ points to buy a chance at getting something useless to higher lvls isn't much of a reward.

Before the DQ NPC price nerf, we could farm and it was worth it. Now... we get to chose from some rather non-exciting rewards at horrible DQ point cost.

Speaking for myself, this is the major problem for the current way of PWE...
build hype, make great statements and .... <insert wah-wah-wah comical let down noise here>

It's the same thing with the snowman issue. If China won't let PWE change the code back to the old snowmen, a GM should come right out and say it. That way we can focus our efforts on bombarding China with our disgust.

While it is said that PWE cannot change code from China, we do know that PWE does control the in-game economy. The CS is PWE's baby. So when an item is taken out (fairy boxes, General Summer's...) and ends up in the CS soon after... hmmm Makes one wonder.

As much as it pains me to admit, I don't think a comment or explanation from certain GMs will be listened to anymore. We need someone with a higher "pay-grade" to try to undo the damage that has been done to PWI's credibility over the past couple of years.

I mostly agree with SkogDyr here. Recently we've mostly been having let downs from PW. And everything that gets taken out of the game and put into the boutique, just makes most of us feel like this b:angry People were farming the mirages for refining their gear or coin or whatever, but it was for improving themselves to better enjoy the game (mostly talking about players who dont CS here) and now everything just gets put into the damn boutique for cash shoppers...seriously must PW make money with everything?? Can't you leave some stuff to be gained while actually playing the game and not just be conerned about gaining money? It's a game...well supposed to be. Pretty soon, PW will change to a proper pay to play, as that is surely where it's going. It's getter harder and harder to play this game by not using real money just to even try and keep up a bit with everyone else...it's really sad as I love this game so much b:cry

Rophe - Heavens Tear · December 2011

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Knownase

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

We players are the 99%!

Alright, joking aside, I just want a GM/Admin answer to the following, don't care if I personally like the answer or not, or if the answer is the same from previous responses, just an answer/update to the following questions, even if you have to restate it.

1. Why hasn't their been any action taken against those who used the FC glitch to lvl to 105, or to lvl brand news alts to 100 in a matter of days?

2. The promised DQ item mentioned in September and was implied to be released in October, why is it taking long? You don't have to mention the item itself, just wondering, is it coding issues, or China being slow on the delivering, etc, etc. I know a GM posted earlier saying it was "coming soon" in a post earlier today, but why keep saying "soon" for a few months now?

3. The infamous +11/12 sale. You guys said it caused client instability and pulled the sale in an emergency maintenance, what was the instability exactly? Just a simple client crash or some coding error to cause unwanted effects?

4. This question is a bit.....awkward but here goes, what happen to fun GMs? As in a random GM/Admin would say random things in the system announcement on the server in their red chat every so often. Why aren't there anymore fun from the GMs?

5. System Announcement messages that came about when the server resets for dailys long time ago, like the old "A new day has dawn on us." (or something like that) message. What happen to those? Do you guys have power over that or is it strictly something from China once again?

This is all I can think of currently, if any forum members have other questions, go on and post, I'm hoping this Q&A thread can............address some issues and concerns, and add more communication from the GM/Admins/Others.

P.S, this is not a QQ thread................I think.

Thx b:thanks

Sparc - Harshlands · December 2011

My personal .02

I would 'watch your back' if you actually still cash shop let alone play PWi... Personally I have been seeing topics in this here forum that would normally have been long gone to the depths by now... I am seeing several factors pointing to the fact that PWE is just trying to make as much money before they shut down the servers (ie... a clearance sale)!!! To start with, those taboo forum topics -- I have seen so many of them, why haven't they been doomed to 'the depths' like they used to be (and rather quickly)... Some of the sales themselves also point signs in this direction. I have been on a hiatus from playing due to my disgust with the company that runs this game, but I hear 'marriage packs' are on a BETTER sale than when they normally go on sale for Valentines day!!! REALLY? That to me is another sign! I think they also know and realize that A LOT of the player base is still so butthurt about all those people that abused to Dragoon glitch. I'll admit it I am one of them ~ I personally refused to 'join in on this glitch' because I like to be challenged (I'm not a cheater) - even though I was invited to participate by my 'friends'. I must say, I am one of those people that think all of the people that abused that glitch should be dealt with, and SEVERELY -- I'm talking DELETING ACCOUNTS, not just banning, or not just deleting the 'culprit' characters. I think if you are guilty of being one of these glitch abusing cheaters, the account you used should just be straight up DELETED! Though it would be 'harsh' I would start with all the accounts that have level 105 toons. Not to say some of them (MAYBE the first two people) didn't get there in a legit manner, but I can safely say 99.999% of people that are level 105 DID NOT - NOT use the dragoons to get there... Hell at this point; "to be fair" I'd be game for a COMPLETE SERVER WIPE, that would probably be the most fair =\

I am going to cut my self off there. As you can see there are surely many things that are pointing to the fact that it will only be a matter of time until they announce that they are "shutting down the servers for good" (ofc after their "clearance sales")... Including the fact that they DON'T listen to customers, there ARE things in the game that can be resolved had they just listened, but they DON'T... This list could go on and on and on, but there's no point; we'd be here all day =\

Knownase - Heavens Tear · February 2012

frankieraye wrote: »

1. Action has been taken on some, and will be taken on more shortly. The fact that the glitch existed and that we were not able to close it up for so long was our own fault, so it doesn't feel right to severely penalize everyone who exploited it. That said, the worst offenders' accounts have been found and will soon be seen to.

I'm terribly sorry for breaking a forum rule in bumping this kind thread but if I can nicely ask....

...have those accounts been seen yet?

To the mods locking this thread for necro, can you kindly pass this message/question to the GMs/Admins and ask for a nice update regarding the FC exploit and those who heavily abused it?

b:pleased

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