New cleric skills (by Korren/Bubbles)

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Big thanks to Korren and bubbles for that translate

original thread
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=15365691&postcount=208
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=15366281&postcount=10

update on skill details
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=15452831&postcount=777



its prolly a bit early and not fully update but if u compare the first post korren made and the 2nd link in this post (by bubbles) u can compare the chi/recast/range on most of the skills...

From what i see, the mediation ray lasts about same as sleep skill with a 8.0 cooldown? >.> if thats really correct then thats pretty spammable o.o assuming we dont get killed before it. The aoe version Aurora Magic Ray says its 10meters range so.... still wondering how far the non-aoe one reaches.

??? on "For five or more higher than their enemies ineffective. " altho not too worried since most of the time sessions such as TW are more or less same level.

cleric Deadend nerves 300.0 seconds cooldown ....300/60=... **** 5min >.>;;

Gods blessing - Passive skills - \o/

thunderstorm symbol- im happy this one is supposidely 28.5 meters range? it would be our farthest reaching skill we have

<----Wants these skills. Thanks for the post. These skills would help A LOT. A good non chi consuming, low cooldown AOE would help too...or something like a metal version of a wizards dragon breath that does consume chi. It would help a lot in times when we tank or DD. Still, these skills look nice. I hope to get them soon. b:thanks

Purple Night Dance: Garbage, it disables like 50%+ of all our skills, and in exchange we get a increase in damage of like 4-5%?, no heals no blessing and on top of that it decreases your max HP.

Ray meditation: 15% basic magic attack + 675?, now lets suppose you have 15k base magic attack (good average I guess), thats not even 3000 HP curse, which means it wont prevent a full charm tick of any char with decent HP, the cooldown is also not low, so it cant really be stacked, and lol if the character has high HP this skill is useless, on top of that it requires the horrible metal mode to be casted LMAO. This skill is garbage.

Aurora Magic Ray: Suicide skill, you have to be at 10 mts from target, the effect is subpar too, any decent char with decent HP wont even bother with this, but expect everyone's attention to draw toward you, so pretty much you are screwed, garbage skill.

Arc ray of disease: Good skill, mostly because it does not require metal mode.

Sincere: 8 seconds what the ****? give us a 30 seconds+ dreaden nerves, 8 seconds is ****. This skill is garbage.

The blessing of the gods: Good Skill.

Tianyin thunderstorm symbol: Subpar skill, it activates by 30% chances only, why the hell is so low? on top of that it deals physical damage so melees apsers wont take that much dmg from it (and the cleric wont endure too much dmg anyway), other classes will find it annoying at most but the low activation chance means that they will probably ignore it, may be good against arcanes since the damage is physical but the low activation chance and arcanes low firerate means that it really wont bother them that much. All in all this skill is subpar, it has its uses but not too many and requires the stupid metal mage mode on top of that.

Tian Yu Purple Night Dance: Powered up version of the other skill, no HP lost but the effect is still garbage, disable 50%+% of all of our skills (all heals and blessings) for some miserable 6.5% increase in damage (if you have godly soulforce only).

So yea we got the worst of the new skills, someone may say that we can choose not to use them, but that's not fair since plenty of classes are getting some good and even OP skills. But it seems that whoever made Cleric's skills knew nothing about clerics and just dropped random stuff on it and call it a day:


What the metal mage really needs to be effective is:

1. A good increase in damage: I was expecting a metal damage increase of 20-40% for god sake, miserable 6-7% in exchange of disabling all heals is just brutally unfair.

2. A buff skill that in crease our defense: Plume shield is just not enough, either a passive skill that increase our defense like verdant shield or make plume shield a 30 mins buff and it only takes half of the MP damage that it takes now.

3. An antistun skill.

4. A teleport away skill / Knockback skill.

5. Make the soulburn-like skill deal magic damage instead of physical, and raise the activation to 50% or more.

Thats it fell free to comment if there is anything more to add, Im now seriously disappointed with this game now, I don't want to hear anything else about this lame update, all I can say is that we got shafted big time in this update.

Cedro - Sanctuary wrote: »

2.A buff skill that in crease our defense: Plume shield is just not enough, either a passive skill that increase our defense like verdant shield or make plume shield a 30 mins buff and it only takes half of the MP damage that it takes now.

3. An antistun skill.

4. A teleport away skill / Knockback skill.

5. Make the soulburn-like skill deal magic damage instead of physical, and raise the activation to 50% or more.

Thats it fell free to comment if there is anything more to add, Im now seriously disappointed with this game now, I don't want to hear anything else about this lame update, all I can say is that we got shafted big time in this update.

1. Doesn't Cleric have the most useful buff that increase defense ? Vanguard Spirit/Magic shell . As i know you're sage, you have 100% additional P.def everytime you cast it on you . Plume Shell 30 min buff ? What for, it's already spammable .

2. Agreed cleric need antistun .

3. Not quite sure about what you expect with those skills . Since anyway only mystic got a knockback skill that works in every situation . Teleport away is more a kitting skills, cleric has sleep/seal/SoG .

Anyway, forcing cleric to go into metal mage mode where you are unable to heal is lame . Why making a cleric if it's not to heal/support geez...

Cedro - Sanctuary wrote: »

The tele away is to prevent the metal mage to be stunned and killed in few seconds by a melee, many classes have antistun-like skills that resist sleep, so is not really that useful. The tele will allow the metal mage to kite with is essentially what mages do.

It would be cool and fun . But when someone run with anti stun skills (lets say BM/Archer) You still have the choice to SoG, which still make him unable to do anything even tho he can still move .

I do agree. Metal mage mode is stupid. To be honest, I was quite tired when I first looked at this. What I did like was God's Blessings. Some of the other new skills would be more effective if it did not require metal mage mode to be cast. I do agree that clerics overall got shafted. The No XP loss skill is the skill that I liked, and I didn't even realize that the soulburn skill is metal mage mode required as well. (Like I said, I was tired when I saw this.).

I agree...now that I'm more awake with what a lot of you are saying. Clerics could use:

Antistun
Teleport
Knockback.
The No XP loss skill. (I'll give that skill its credit. Lol.)
Better Defenses. ( I do consider a cleric to be a defensive mage if a wizard is an offensive on, and psy is a mixture.)
A SPEED SKILL
A no chi, very low cooldown AOE skill OR a skill like the wizards dragon breath that goes in that type of circle.


The reason that metal mage mode is as horrible as it is is because a great deal of a clerics survivabilty is off of IH blessings. We lack the power of other DD'ers, but we can heal. That's like saying that if a mystic summons any creature, they can't heal. That greatly reduces the players abilities, and a 10 meter range for an arcane class is ****. Plus giving us long cooldown times to boot. Meh. Its pretty sucky. Now assasins with an INVESTIGATE ability is bs, op, disrespectful to ones privacy, and overall unfair. I don't want anyone looking in my inventory just because they can, and they're in my squad. I'll probably comment more on this later, and the other cleric skills later.

Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:chuckle Not much PvP experience yet right ? In a massive PvP, SoG the annoying DD . You shouldn't bother try to kill the unkillable first . As long as one of them can't do anything you're free to do other stuffs .

No point in answering to that, this thread is about something else, what experience do I have since I joined PWI (Nov 2008) is irrelevant. b:bye

Thread about new cleric skills, where i see no useful improvement for cleric class . Some advice on how to use our current skills are as usual, taken as an offense

I see great uses for metal mage.

1. Cleric can DD well in caster nirvy/other instances now (hopefully).

2. 1.6 second chan time, 15 sec cooldown means you can switch back and forth at a moments notice if heals are needed. Sometimes there is no need to heal with a hax'd out BP aps tanking, or a 2nd cleric present.

3. TW, stopping charms. Effect claims to be stackable, every little bit helps.

4. Finally everyone can stop being so cautious and scared the cleric will die and lose XP and RQ squad. Maybe people will start doing bigger pulls again to finish instances faster? Aps is great and all, but AoE damage is where its at. I'd much rather take a risk and have some fun in game then do the boring old 1 by 1 zeal pull BH. (Not really all that cleric related, but still...guess I'm abit ranty from todays Aba)

Purple Night Dance: Transform into metal mage mode!!! unable to heal, max hp decrease by 10%, increase 40%-80% weapon dmg. 15chi

Ray meditation: available in transformation mode, stop your target hp recovery(and charm recovery) by 15%base atk + 675HP. can be stacked to max 2000-18000HP(SF),last 30sec. 18sec cooldown.

Aurora Magic Ray: available in metal mage mode, AOE version of Ray meditation.

Arc ray of disease: debuff ur target, increase the chance of taking crit dmg by 15%.

Sincere: give ur target Deaden Nerves buff, recover 50% hp when taking effect, last 8sec.

The blessing of the gods: no exp lose upon death.

Tianyin thunderstorm symbol: metal mage version of soul burn! debuff ur target , each time he try to atk or use skill, he has 30% chance take phy dmg equal to ur magic atk. last 1min. 50chi

Tian Yu Purple Night Dance: Transform into metal mage mode!!! unable to heal, increase 60%-100% weapon dmg. 15chi

purple night dance/metal mage form is useless since demon cleric already have spirit's gift increase 150% magic with out decreasing hp. and you can heal. so i dont see the use of this skill. other than using the aurora magic ray/ray meditation during metal mage.

ray meditation/aurora ray: some what usefull in pvp/tw it stacks but 18 sec cool down is stupid. it would be more usefull if it was like 6 sec cool down or 10. then you can actually stack it enough on a cata/ aoe other players.

arc ray of disease: usefull debuff

sincere: like deaden nerve, recover 50% hp. but 8 secs? depends on situations ._.' shoudl be a min.

blessing of gods: usefull for new players

Tianyin thunderstorm symbol: its usefull. 30% chance tho is quite low.

Looks like suicide, somebody already said it and it looks painfully obvious. I can't see its usefulness at all, even in metal mage mode cleric will still be worst DD in game even if the other classes don't use new skills.
The only benefits I can see is that passive buff and crit debuff and the fact that multiple clerics in a squad will now be ever so slightly more useful rather than being a poor unwanted leech. Bet they still will be though, other classes got way way better skills.

Worst thing though is the cooldowns, as if channel and cast times aren't bad enough, arcanes get slapped with some of the most ridiculous cooldowns in this game which makes them pretty much one hit wonders, 30 secs into a pvp fight and if any targets are still alive you're screwed.

As far as the deaden nerves skill goes, I'm gonna asume it causes agro cause of other effect which means it would only be useful to cast on other players in very specific situations which is a waste of a pretty good 'go to' skill unlike WoP which is quite dandy when used on Barbs for instance even though it has a ridiculous cooldown.

Would also like to point out it is completely worthless unless you are a heavy cash shopper, as if they ever need any more help in being 'better'.

Metal mage mode should have definately come with some kind of antistun and defensive skill, everything in this game seems to be programmed around charms these days which is rubbish. Gonna be a lot of 'DD' clerics getting one shotted for sure.

It would be a riot if we can dodge the proverbial bullet by going metal mage mode right before a boss wipes the entire squad. That way, no one loses exp

I have not read much on these skills, to be honest. I couldn't care less.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

my monies on that half the pple who think cleric got screwed will be using these skills half the time :O

I think it it may be possible to use both of the HP curses (Aoe and single cast) since it does't state anywhere that they share a cooldown, perhaps we can stack multiple curses on one asleep target, and link it with seal of gods, freeze, perhaps sleep again etc, for more HP curse stacking on a cata barb, hopefully normal heals dont cancel it though. b:surrender

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

The cooldown on the charm debuff is 8s not 18s.

Single target is 8s, I think AOE one is 16-18s cant remember.

I was expecting metal mage mode to be an offensive mode, but it seems that is only good to debuff/curse then go back to normal mode, because it just disables most stuff, Can we get a real offensive mode with attack/defense and control skills? or can the debuff be changed so they dont need metal mode, or can metal mode NOT disable 50% of our skills: b:angry

Kurisutina - Sanctuary wrote: »

Seriously dude, all I have seen is you complain about all the new skills.
You say you've played since nov 08? Yet you see no potential in the new skills, I say go pk for a few weeks and you'll see some. =3

Is not only us complaining about Cleric new skills, and the problem of disabling heals/blessings, is all over the place on the official wanmei forums with several threads talking about it, I'm keeping an eye on those forums, perhaps if enough people complain those skills can be tweaked so they actually become useful.

I will post here if anything is changed. As they are right now, they are underpowered esp. when compared to classes like wizie that got a skill that auto shrinks you back and autopurifies when attacked by melee b:shocked