GoF is so unfair

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
edited November 2011 in General Discussion
Seriously. If BM, Barb, Seeker, and Sin ALL get GoF on their R9, then so should Archers. QQ

And maybe Veno should get a special proc. EGoF? Elevated GoF. "Chance to do some kind of meaningful damage at the cost of restoring 20% max HP."

QQ with me?
101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
*Pre RB level
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited November 2011
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  • threepointone
    threepointone Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2011
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  • Nniotora - Lost City
    Nniotora - Lost City Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    qq all magic have alot higher damage output then phys attack and now they want the only thing that balance the classes qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
    100% F2P legit 105 since starting this game. Full rank9 jaded +12 seeker. .tinyurl.com/nocashshopHaters gona hate cuz they cant play a game
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited November 2011
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    Que? Que?
    101 Sage Sin*/Archer
    100 Demon BM*/Barb
    96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
    95 Demon Wiz/
    94 Sage Veno
    85 Psy/80 Mystic
    And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
    *Pre RB level
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »
    qq all magic have alot higher damage output then phys attack and now they want the only thing that balance the classes qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq

    You know that is not so true right? Or you level up in frost so fast that you didn't have time to learn about game?
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  • Maiira - Sanctuary
    Maiira - Sanctuary Posts: 190 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
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    is it just me or do your eyes gravitate to the random "o"?
    lvl101 LA/AA demon veno ftw, 15251 hp buffed, 13508 buffed pdef in human. able to use tt100 fists at 5 aps w/ genie. all from 2 years of work... WASTED
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  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Queue Queue


    Put all your whining in an ordinate sequence pls
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  • HexOmega - Dreamweaver
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    there should be GOF on R9 wizard magic sword
    i like potato
  • Nniotora - Lost City
    Nniotora - Lost City Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You know that is not so true right? Or you level up in frost so fast that you didn't have time to learn about game?

    ... go look at your skills and then a bm and say that again or did you spend so much time in frost you didnt bother learnign your skills but i will say it again and it will go even higher on other skills
    bm starter skill
    A focused strike, inflicting base physical damage
    plus 2304.0

    wiz starter skill
    Deals fire damage equal to 100% of
    weapon damage     plus base magic damage plus 3620.0.
    you see you can have zerk but your skills need to be nerfed to phys damage output now you can go back to frost b:bye
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Also the fact that caster's damage multiplier is MAG/100 while BM/Barb/Seeker is STR/150.
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »
    ... go look at your skills and then a bm and say that again or did you spend so much time in frost you didnt bother learnign your skills but i will say it again and it will go even higher on other skills
    bm starter skill
    A focused strike, inflicting base physical damage
    plus 2304.0

    wiz starter skill
    Deals fire damage equal to 100% of
    weapon damage     plus base magic damage plus 3620.0.
    you see you can have zerk but your skills need to be nerfed to phys damage output now you can go back to frost b:bye
    Ha,ha ha. Good try.
    Gush channeling 1s
    Casting 1s
    Together 2s

    How much 5APS BM do attacks in 2s? 10x
    So 10x attacks + high probability of critic + GOF is a MUCH higher damage output than wizard. And I don't talking about sins.
    I told you learn game.
    And I forgot to mention mastieries. We have just 25% more from masteries. Melee has 90%.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ha,ha ha. Good try.
    Gush channeling 1s
    Casting 1s
    Together 2s

    How much 5APS BM do attacks in 2s? 10x
    So 10x attacks + high probability of critic + GOF is a MUCH higher damage output than wizard. And I don't talking about sins.
    I told you learn game.
    And I forgot to mention mastieries. We have just 25% more from masteries. Melee has 90%.

    Do you even play this game? There is no GoF fists.
  • TheRevenant - Lost City
    TheRevenant - Lost City Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Do you even play this game? There is no GoF fists.

    Argument won by Okeano
  • Maiira - Sanctuary
    Maiira - Sanctuary Posts: 190 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    there is no GoF currently on fists. there are alot of weapons that we dont have. there is indeed a r9 version of every wep and the r9 fists have GoF. im very glad we dont have them yet.


    sidenote. who in their right mind as a bm would use tiger maw in a pvp scenario. even with the demon/sage version?
    lvl101 LA/AA demon veno ftw, 15251 hp buffed, 13508 buffed pdef in human. able to use tt100 fists at 5 aps w/ genie. all from 2 years of work... WASTED
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    was fun while it lasted
  • Ashivas - Dreamweaver
    Ashivas - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »
    ... go look at your skills and then a bm and say that again or did you spend so much time in frost you didnt bother learnign your skills but i will say it again and it will go even higher on other skills
    bm starter skill
    A focused strike, inflicting base physical damage
    plus 2304.0

    wiz starter skill
    Deals fire damage equal to 100% of
    weapon damage     plus base magic damage plus 3620.0.
    you see you can have zerk but your skills need to be nerfed to phys damage output now you can go back to frost b:bye

    Get out of frost. And ps, I hope you get banned eventually.
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  • Broederjr - Lost City
    Broederjr - Lost City Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ha,ha ha. Good try.
    Gush channeling 1s
    Casting 1s
    Together 2s

    How much 5APS BM do attacks in 2s? 10x
    So 10x attacks + high probability of critic + GOF is a MUCH higher damage output than wizard. And I don't talking about sins.
    I told you learn game.
    And I forgot to mention mastieries. We have just 25% more from masteries. Melee has 90%.

    hahahahahahahahahahah nice try getting aps into skills damage nice try tho i suggest you read be4 posting b:bye come back to talk about magci/phys skills when you learn to read
  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    JUst posting this since no1 mentioned before...


    Magic skills DOESNT MISS b:avoid
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  • Broederjr - Lost City
    Broederjr - Lost City Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    GohRaL - Sanctuary wrote: »
    JUst posting this since no1 mentioned before...


    Magic skills DOESNT MISS b:avoid

    ZOMG your right lets put it in magic can miss if your accuracy isnt high lets say 4k
    to maiira its jsut to show the gap in the skills or do you think its the same damage output?
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Do you even play this game? There is no GoF fists.
    You right but it doesn't change the fact, that fists has much higher damage output, than wizards skills.
    OP was talking about damage output NOT DPH.
    Broederjr - Lost City wrote: »
    hahahahahahahahahahah nice try getting aps into skills damage nice try tho i suggest you read be4 posting b:bye come back to talk about magci/phys skills when you learn to read

    You learn to read. OP was talking about Damage output NOT DPH.(damage per hit.)b:bye
    So in same amount of time melee do FAR,FAR more damage than magic classes.
    We can continue in discussing tomorrow. Going to sleep.
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  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    In PVE terms, yes. Aps is broken but i dont think that a magic class is less powerfull. I dont recall now how's the average dmg output in a spark cicle, but seeing that a mage can hit for 4mil every 30sec i guess we get it pretty close if not even.

    In PVP terms, magic classes already had a nice adventage if we talk of mass pvp and not 1vs1. But now with purify add even 1vs1 become much more easy.
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  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    GohRaL - Sanctuary wrote: »
    but seeing that a mage can hit for 4mil every 30sec i guess we get it pretty close if not even.

    This is not an exaggeration.

    Definitely not.

    How could that possibly be an exaggeration? I mean no one in their right mind would think that's an exaggeration..right?
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You right but it doesn't change the fact, that fists has much higher damage output, than wizards skills.
    OP was talking about damage output NOT DPH.

    Except OP IS talking about GoF on melee weapons, and not a word about interval or dps. GoF = DPH weapon, broken Sin not included.
  • Broederjr - Lost City
    Broederjr - Lost City Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Except OP IS talking about GoF on melee weapons, and not a word about interval or dps. GoF = DPH weapon, broken Sin not included.

    see me and okeano have stood against eachother but he actually read it now if we look on dph on magic vs phys wep its pretty much even base atleast.Then you have skills which you guys always get alot more multipliers and cant miss so we get gof to compensate for it tho if you look at aps weps with gof i clearly agree with you yet she said seeker,barb,bm and sin half of those classes would be lucky to get 2aps bm can get 4aps with hh90 zerk fist but thats not gof so see what we mean
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Even Better.


    Give All Fishies Stealth. Stealthing R9+12 Psy Coming To A Pwi Near You.
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  • Sltryder - Lost City
    Sltryder - Lost City Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    when was the last time someone was 1 shotted by fists? i have done 8k zerk crit with my GoF NV hammers but still. r8 wiz can hit for 8k easy no problem unless you have a ton of mdef but then you hp so low it don't matter.
  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Magic doesn't miss, but it also gets easily inturrupted by aps. I can't tell you how many time's ive had to recast a spell because of BS 3.33 aps per secs.

    This is furether complicated by the fact that most spells have 1s + channel times.

    The next time you fail 3 attacks in a row because you're getting hit, then I'll let u guys remove the miss for phy attacks.
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  • Vital_Slash - Sanctuary
    Vital_Slash - Sanctuary Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »
    Magic doesn't miss, but it also gets easily inturrupted by aps. I can't tell you how many time's ive had to recast a spell because of BS 3.33 aps per secs.

    This is furether complicated by the fact that most spells have 1s + channel times.

    The next time you fail 3 attacks in a row because you're getting hit, then I'll let u guys remove the miss for phy attacks.

    This IS very true...but since wizzies need outstanding gear to even live through a barrage of 2k+ Damage...i doubt they will ever count this...In the case they do -

    Ever tried plaing a freaking wiz just attacking a mob? Even getting Interrupted is a big deal...and dont give me any of that *Use ur seals* stuff cause that isnt anything compared to being stunlocked either...it sucks getting interuptted >.>
    Its ok... IM AN ARTIST!
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »
    Magic doesn't miss, but it also gets easily inturrupted by aps. I can't tell you how many time's ive had to recast a spell because of BS 3.33 aps per secs.

    This is furether complicated by the fact that most spells have 1s + channel times.

    The next time you fail 3 attacks in a row because you're getting hit, then I'll let u guys remove the miss for phy attacks.

    If you are trying to get a spell off while they are already on you hitting 3.33 aps, you are doing something wrong.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Vital_Slash - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This IS very true...but since wizzies need outstanding gear to even live through a barrage of 2k+ Damage...i doubt they will ever count this...In the case they do -

    Ever tried plaing a freaking wiz just attacking a mob? Even getting Interrupted is a big deal...and dont give me any of that *Use ur seals* stuff cause that isnt anything compared to being stunlocked either...it sucks getting interuptted >.>


    Learn to kite vs mobs....The only mobs that should be giving wizards trouble are archer and elite mobs...and you shouldn't even be fighting elites alone anyway.

    You're ****ing stupid if you think BMs are easier to PvE during quest levels because of stun lock. They don't have that much chi to stun every mob, plus they don't even have enough damage output to kill a mob their level through a full stun lock. Wizards may never get hit at all against most mobs if you don't suck, even with unrefined 3stars at lowbie levels. Just don't pick fights with mag resis mobs.
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  • Nniotora - Lost City
    Nniotora - Lost City Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    can any1 tell me why caster always bring aps up even if its about DPH and not aps
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