g13 daggers a waste
endlesspsy
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WARNING TO NEWBS:5aps overated
G13 daggers cost like 200mcoins
Now if you stay with your rank 8 dagger and use that 200m to refine it just a bit to +7 or something. And use the extra money to refine your gears. You can pretty much tank everything in the game at 3.33+ aps sparked. + you can use the extra money you were gonna refine those g13 daggers for a rank 9 ring or whatever you want.
The damage in farming will not make a big difference because most bosses die in less than 5minutes. g13 daggers would only be worth it if you were fighting a boss that takes hours to kill and save you like 15minutes of farming. But bosses take less than or about 5minutes to kill. So rank 8 dagger is the best way to go. + Future rank 8 recast making it g15.
Warning to newbs: 5APS overated
G13 daggers cost like 200mcoins
Now if you stay with your rank 8 dagger and use that 200m to refine it just a bit to +7 or something. And use the extra money to refine your gears. You can pretty much tank everything in the game at 3.33+ aps sparked. + you can use the extra money you were gonna refine those g13 daggers for a rank 9 ring or whatever you want.
The damage in farming will not make a big difference because most bosses die in less than 5minutes. g13 daggers would only be worth it if you were fighting a boss that takes hours to kill and save you like 15minutes of farming. But bosses take less than or about 5minutes to kill. So rank 8 dagger is the best way to go. + Future rank 8 recast making it g15.
Warning to newbs: 5APS overated
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Honestly it all depends they both have draw backs. I have g13 +12 an I used them for more than a year. I farmed my rank 9 daggers with them, and at the moment my rank 9 daggers are +8 due to no +10 orbs being cheap. The difference in daggers is such that the g13 are still superior due to refine.
Rank 8 is ok, but 200 mill really is the tip of the iceberg for most sins expenditures if going the all out awesome build.0 -
It depends on a million factors.
For one, what is your motive? If you just want to get into WC nirvanas, then G13 is a good choice, as it gets you a "cheap" 5 aps. Then again you could've gotten in cheaper using a BM.
For two, do you already have all the -interval gear? If you do, then you'll have at least 2.86 aps with either culti, meaning that permasparking isn't going to make a reason.
For three, is cost a factor? If it is, then Rank 8 wins because you'll pretty much be comparing a +10 R8 to +0 G13.
Generally speaking, G13 is "good enough". It's not as good as G15 Nirvana or Rank 9, but it more than gets the job done, and gets you the coveted 5 aps. Though, the same can be argued about Rank 8: it's cheap, has good damage and allows you to permaspark.
One of the problems with the whole G13 thing is that people don't know math. People don't give a damn about math. You show them a +10 Rank 8 dagger with 2 Garnet Gems and all they see is "Not 5 aps", mostly. Also, people demand that anyone hoping to join their squad will be of the standards of the squad: If it's a +10 5 aps squad, then you damn well better be +10 5 aps. For example, if I tried to explain to someone that my DPS currently is less than 10% below that of a similarly refined 5 aps fist BM, people would look at me as if I'm insane.
Personally, I'm a Sage and I'll stick with my Rank 8 until I get bored enough to start thinking of getting a G15 Lunar Nirvana for giggles.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
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Lunar dags are pretty. And rare because no one thinks to get them.
I went G13. Now I'm R9+12.
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That's what I did b:victoryOlbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »Personally, I'm a Sage and I'll stick with my Rank 8 until I get bored enough to start thinking of getting a G15 Lunar Nirvana for giggles.
I love the g15 Lunar Nirvy's. They don't have interval (yet, prob try rerolling sometime later), but Sac Strike is wicked fun
And.........I don't look like every other g13 Barrier Thorn cookie cutter sin :P
I'm not sure its of noone thinking to get them or just that there's no step on the way with -interval, so its not a 'viable option' for many people._Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »Lunar dags are pretty. And rare because no one thinks to get them.
I didn't bother at all with g13 and used rank8's to farm to go from 95LG straight to g15.
I wish people knew anything beyond that one interval stat. I've done bh100's with Sins who still run Hook and Thorn (with rank8 top, mind you, so coin is not the issue), just because they have the interval stat. And you just can't explain to some people that rank8 would vastly out-DD H&T cause all they see is -0.05.0 -
Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »I'm not sure its of noone thinking to get them or just that there's no step on the way with -interval, so its not a 'viable option' for many people.
I didn't bother at all with g13 and used rank8's to farm to go from 95LG straight to g15.
I wish people knew anything beyond that one interval stat. I've done bh100's with Sins who still run Hook and Thorn (with rank8 top, mind you, so coin is not the issue), just because they have the interval stat. And you just can't explain to some people that rank8 would vastly out-DD H&T cause all they see is -0.05.
... I've actually seen a pair or two of Hook and Thorns with +10 and 2 Incomparable Garnets in them.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
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Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »... I've actually seen a pair or two of Hook and Thorns with +10 and 2 Incomparable Garnets in them.
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Those are at least more useful , i have seen +10 Unicorn 2 immaculate garnets x_X[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I really want Netherworld Guidance, but since I'm in the process of moving in with my girlfriend, I can't exactly afford them xD
To my knowledge, Zuuka's sin is the only one with them on my server. He just made them recently too.
What I want are Sac/GoF and range adds. I absolutely hate having to take those 2 more steps to auto-attack move after using a skill. Though, I've calculated that getting r9 ring and daggers would be cheaper and guarantee me those adds.
$300-ish for for 100k rep, r9 ring and +5 2 garnet gem daggers during a General Summer's sale.
550mil-ish for Netherworld Guidance; ~$390. Then a little over $10 for each recast.
I'm pretty anxious to see what r8 recasts will be like though. I recall reading that GoF is guaranteed on them. If so, I think I'll go with that choice...but so will every other person who doesn't already have g13/g15 or R9 xD
To touch on the hijack-topic, my Mystic has a +3 2 perfect sapphire Sakyamuni's Light. It'll probably be +5 by the time he's done with it.
Edit: Math fail. R9 ring+weapon is just under $600 during the sale.Demon_Troll: "takes on the appearance of an innocent archer but turns into a mindless idiot once you hear him speak"
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Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »I really want Netherworld Guidance, but since I'm in the process of moving in with my girlfriend, I can't exactly afford them xD
To my knowledge, Zuuka's sin is the only one with them on my server. He just made them recently too.
I know that there are at least a few of them. One of the reasons people don't really have Netherworld Guidance is because the G13 version sucks and the G15 is pretty much like paying an extra 20M for a prettiness factor.I'm pretty anxious to see what r8 recasts will be like though. I recall reading that GoF is guaranteed on them. If so, I think I'll go with that choice...but so will every other person who doesn't already have g13/g15 or R9 xD
Assuming that this is correct, it's not true. The format pretty much says that Melee weapons will always get either GoF, Crit% +3-6, Atk Lvl +10-25 or Def Lvl +10-25.
And it's a bit bad to talk about the recasts when we don't even know what they'll cost.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
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R8 recasts will be moderately expensive.
R9 recasts... Will cost a fortune imo lmao. And mostly the only people that can cash it will have any chance of getting it, exceptions being heavy farmers and uber merchants.
Still, I cant wait. I'll recast my R8 til I get GoF. Then I'll work on refines and save up for R9. So Im penny pinching and saving up right now xD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver wrote: »R8 recasts will be moderately expensive.
R9 recasts... Will cost a fortune imo lmao. And mostly the only people that can cash it will have any chance of getting it, exceptions being heavy farmers and uber merchants.
Still, I cant wait. I'll recast my R8 til I get GoF. Then I'll work on refines and save up for R9. So Im penny pinching and saving up right now xD
Everyone still thinks it's going to be a hop skip and a jump with a blindfold on to reforge their r8. Can't wait till that reality check smacks you guys in the face.BladedZero - Sanctuary
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This is pretty much what I'm thinking.Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »Everyone still thinks it's going to be a hop skip and a jump with a blindfold on to reforge their r8. Can't wait till that reality check smacks you guys in the face.
Seems to be a general feeling that we'll be able to roll off GoF, multiple -interval weapons for relatively cheap. Given the costs of everything else in the faction base.......and the lower chances for things like -interval even coming up (compared to g15 Nirvana), I think it may end up being a kick in the nuts to some who have incredibly high hopes.0 -
Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »This is pretty much what I'm thinking.
Seems to be a general feeling that we'll be able to roll off GoF, multiple -interval weapons for relatively cheap. Given the costs of everything else in the faction base.......and the lower chances for things like -interval even coming up (compared to g15 Nirvana), I think it may end up being a kick in the nuts to some who have incredibly high hopes.Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »Everyone still thinks it's going to be a hop skip and a jump with a blindfold on to reforge their r8. Can't wait till that reality check smacks you guys in the face.
@ both of you: I honestly dont think it'll cost any more than 40-50 mil to roll GoF on R8 dagger. Im thinking a mil or two a roll with maybe 2-5% chance of GoF. My guess anyways it'll be around there. I could be wrong... But then again, so could you.
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endlesspsy wrote: »WARNING TO NEWBS:5aps overated
G13 daggers cost like 200mcoins
Now if you stay with your rank 8 dagger and use that 200m to refine it just a bit to +7 or something. And use the extra money to refine your gears. You can pretty much tank everything in the game at 3.33+ aps sparked. + you can use the extra money you were gonna refine those g13 daggers for a rank 9 ring or whatever you want.
The damage in farming will not make a big difference because most bosses die in less than 5minutes. g13 daggers would only be worth it if you were fighting a boss that takes hours to kill and save you like 15minutes of farming. But bosses take less than or about 5minutes to kill. So rank 8 dagger is the best way to go. + Future rank 8 recast making it g15.
Warning to newbs: 5APS overated
First of all, yes 5 aps is overrated, but that doesn't make G13 daggers a waste of coins. Olbaze already gave a couple of rational reasons. To add to his first one, just for contradictions sake : The more (5) aps is overrated, the more G13 vana will be worth getting for all the invites you will get for just having them.
In the end, it's a personal choice involving rational (like, what is my endgoal build?, what budget?, etc) and irrational (G13 looks could be enough reason for some to pay 200mil) judgements. Just to be clear, even G13 daggers will end up in your safe collecting dust, it won't mean they are a waste. All depends on how long you used them and how much profit you got out of them. Besides having -int, it's also a G13 weapon with G15 refine rate. None of the G13+ daggers is "weak".
And btw, who are you to decide on others coins? Even if I were to pump 200mil into useless mounts and fashion, that's my choice no?0 -
ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver wrote: »@ both of you: I honestly dont think it'll cost any more than 40-50 mil to roll GoF on R8 dagger. Im thinking a mil or two a roll with maybe 2-5% chance of GoF. My guess anyways it'll be around there. I could be wrong... But then again, so could you.
I'm not guessing I have all the info of what's needed. So far I can tell you it will take you much much longer to get r8 recast then G15 nirvana.BladedZero - Sanctuary
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Its overrated and sadly some people end up disappointed, because they have been told 5aps is the end all, be all of everything. Regardless of weapon, shard, refine. If that were actually true, you'd probably see alot more Clawchers and Clawsins for the cheapest way to 5aps.Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »First of all, yes 5 aps is overrated, but that doesn't make G13 daggers a waste of coins. Olbaze already gave a couple of rational reasons. To add to his first one, just for contradictions sake : The more (5) aps is overrated, the more G13 vana will be worth getting for all the invites you will get for just having them.
In the end, it's a personal choice involving rational (like, what is my endgoal build?, what budget?, etc) and irrational (G13 looks could be enough reason for some to pay 200mil) judgements. Just to be clear, even G13 daggers will end up in your safe collecting dust, it won't mean they are a waste. All depends on how long you used them and how much profit you got out of them. Besides having -int, it's also a G13 weapon with G15 refine rate. None of the G13+ daggers is "weak".
Its the players own fault if they don't look into it themselves, ofc. I've did a run with my rank8's and another sin with new Barriers. Both were at +5, i had 2 perfect, him 1.
3.33 APS vs 5APS. He went away disgusted at the end of the run (not kidding), because I tanked most of it. He was convinced that his new found 5aps was the end all for DD (regardless of anything else) and no way should I have held from him. There's no distinction between APS and DPS for a lot of people.
You are right, its a personal choice for playstyle, if you want to go g15/16, if thats the endgame choice for you, and so forth. I think many of the "g13 Barriers are garbage" come from people like the guy I ran with who end up disappointed because they didn't do the actual math or look into it at all, hypnotized by the shiny -0.1 on them.0 -
Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »Its overrated and sadly some people end up disappointed, because they have been told 5aps is the end all, be all of everything. Regardless of weapon, shard, refine. If that were actually true, you'd probably see alot more Clawchers and Clawsins for the cheapest way to 5aps.
Its the players own fault if they don't look into it themselves, ofc. I've did a run with my rank8's and another sin with new Barriers. Both were at +5, i had 2 perfect, him 1.
3.33 APS vs 5APS. He went away disgusted at the end of the run (not kidding), because I tanked most of it. He was convinced that his new found 5aps was the end all for DD (regardless of anything else) and no way should I have held from him. There's no distinction between APS and DPS for a lot of people.
You are right, its a personal choice for playstyle, if you want to go g15/16, if thats the endgame choice for you, and so forth. I think many of the "g13 Barriers are garbage" come from people like the guy I ran with who end up disappointed because they didn't do the actual math or look into it at all, hypnotized by the shiny -0.1 on them.
I agree with you on this. Most mix up APS and DPS. That is also how you get some of those fists sins, which I find a horrible idea (If dex build they nerf their damage for aps, and if they are str build they can't use daggers so become pretty much useless in lunar/metal/tm/exp room, basicly anything besides soloing and nirvana). This is probably also because most players only focus on nirvana, and then focus their opinion on just dps which they can't even calculate properly. Another thing to add, is that refines matter a lot. Imo way more then just aps.
But what can be done about it? 5 aps became a goal for most players, and all new ones get brainwashed on that. 95% of the players on forums and ingame act like any build has to be totally dedicated to nirvana. WC won't even look at you if you're not 5 aps. No wonder ppl get hypnotized over a -0.1 int add b:laugh0 -
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ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver wrote: »Your point?
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1204011 b:byeBladedZero - Sanctuary
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Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
it doesnt state whether those materials have to be bought or farmed, nor does it state whether or not there is a limit to how many you can attain in 1 day. You're assuming an awful lot there dontcha think?
And you overuse that *** *** wave smiley worse than 4chan overusues memes you fa.g[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver wrote: »it doesnt state whether those materials have to be bought or farmed, nor does it state whether or not there is a limit to how many you can attain in 1 day. You're assuming an awful lot there dontcha think?
And you overuse that *** *** wave smiley worse than 4chan overusues memes you fa.g
And then there's the whole thing that most things in the faction base are ridiculously expensive.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
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Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »And then there's the whole thing that most things in the faction base are ridiculously expensive.
And nowhere does it state that these will be.
All I hear is "I assume based on this google translated copy and paste piece of paper that they will be hard to get, it doesnt say they will be, but I assume they will because I am traz and I am always right so ha".
Anyways... Cant wait to see how hard they really will be.
First I have to find a enw faction sadly enough, I like mine, but no faction base.![:\](https://forum.arcgames.com/pwi/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
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I think its better to have a logical guess based on previous things in PWI, than just guessing. A mil or two per reroll just simply can't be. Its 2mil already for a reroll just in coin. Then ofc all the mats you need.ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver wrote: »@ both of you: I honestly dont think it'll cost any more than 40-50 mil to roll GoF on R8 dagger. Im thinking a mil or two a roll with maybe 2-5% chance of GoF. My guess anyways it'll be around there. I could be wrong... But then again, so could you.
g15 Nirvana requires 7 raptures per reroll. And look at their drop rate and settled market value. Why would it be safe to assume that g15 rank8 would cost significantly less when its supposedly "better" than Nirvana?0 -
Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »I think its better to have a logical guess based on previous things in PWI, than just guessing. A mil or two per reroll just simply can't be. Its 2mil already for a reroll just in coin. Then ofc all the mats you need.
g15 Nirvana requires 7 raptures per reroll. And look at their drop rate and settled market value. Why would it be safe to assume that g15 rank8 would cost significantly less when its supposedly "better" than Nirvana?
There's no need to try and reason with him it doesn't work. b:chuckleBladedZero - Sanctuary
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I've got netherland guidance and i'm on sanctuary too. I really like a lot those daggers but still need reforge for ss/int. Just have ss on atm + random adds. I'm sure they can out dd r9 dags if i could get this interval. And ss don't hurt, when u spark + zerk it heal u good so isn't a bad add like some ppl thing of it0
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I've got netherland guidance and i'm on sanctuary too. I really like a lot those daggers but still need reforge for ss/int. Just have ss on atm + random adds. I'm sure they can out dd r9 dags if i could get this interval. And ss don't hurt, when u spark + zerk it heal u good so isn't a bad add like some ppl thing of it
You ..... wont out DD ..... any r9 ... unless they are like +5 and you're +10 ...BladedZero - Sanctuary
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Didn't we just have this same arguement in the thread a couple below this one?
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Of course u can traz lol i out dd 4base bm +10 deicides and i just have +7 2.86 base ss... 5aps got 20%more damage than 4aps. U also earn more chi and u have more luck to zerk crit since u hit more too. Ppl don't take this factor...0
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