Wellspring Quaff

X_Rays - Sanctuary
X_Rays - Sanctuary Posts: 198 Arc User
edited November 2011 in Wizard
I'm curious of how useful the demon version of this skill is in pvp. In other words, should the 1 spark be saved for essential sutra which lasts only 6 seconds but costs 2 sparks, or spent on Wellspring which lasts 15 seconds but only increases channeling by 20%. Suppose you already have 79% channeling then using wellspring will make you instant cast. I guess in that case Wellspring > Sutra. What if I only have about 30% channeling?
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  • Leviath_Imp - Lost City
    Leviath_Imp - Lost City Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Well, I think most ppl say demon is better, idk. For me (sage) I can keep spamming it (kinda like a perma 1spark) just based on pyro gush and wotp on bosses, if u don't factor in mana cost. im guessing demon can do same based off normal chi gain from skills and incr channel. in pvp itz situational and not flashy. just my thoughts.

    Edit: sorry lol I somehow managed to not answer anything you asked *facepalm*
  • X_Rays - Sanctuary
    X_Rays - Sanctuary Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »
    Well, I think most ppl say demon is better, idk. For me (sage) I can keep spamming it (kinda like a perma 1spark) just based on pyro gush and wotp on bosses, if u don't factor in mana cost. im guessing demon can do same based off normal chi gain from skills and incr channel. in pvp itz situational and not flashy. just my thoughts.

    Edit: sorry lol I somehow managed to not answer anything you asked *facepalm*

    b:chuckle thanks for your input. Correct me if I'm wrong: does sage version double your base magic attack? If so, I think its much better than 1 spark, which only increase 200% of weapon attack. At rank 9, that 100% increase in base magic attack can be much much bigger than 200% of weapon damage, maybe even a double spark (400% weapon dmg).
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    X_Rays - Sanctuary wrote: »
    b:chuckle thanks for your input. Correct me if I'm wrong: does sage version double your base magic attack? If so, I think its much better than 1 spark, which only increase 200% of weapon attack. At rank 9, that 100% increase in base magic attack can be much much bigger than 200% of weapon damage, maybe even a double spark (400% weapon dmg).

    Its 100% weapon damage aka less than a 1 spark
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    demon wellspring quaff is awesome imo. It make's your casting considerably faster. Very useful if you want to cram more attacks into a FoW silence time, or cast MS before sleep runs out.

    The only problem with it (in my opinion) is that it costs 1 spark. In pvp, as a demon wiz, you don't gain chi too well. With distance shrink, you're already pushing your limits for chi usage since you always want to maintain ~2 sparks for a sutra or ultimate.

    Against another kiting class it can be awesome though since you don't need much chi for distance shrink since you're fighting around max range anyways.

    Chi costs aside, I definitely believe it's an excellent spell.
    Sage is pretty decent as well. As others have stated it gives less magic attack than a 1 spark, but it's also instant, and the animation is hard to see. You could easily surprise someone with the spike damage it gives.
  • Cytte - Harshlands
    Cytte - Harshlands Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    demon wellspring quaff is awesome imo. It make's your casting considerably faster. Very useful if you want to cram more attacks into a FoW silence time, or cast MS before sleep runs out.

    The only problem with it (in my opinion) is that it costs 1 spark. In pvp, as a demon wiz, you don't gain chi too well. With distance shrink, you're already pushing your limits for chi usage since you always want to maintain ~2 sparks for a sutra or ultimate.

    Against another kiting class it can be awesome though since you don't need much chi for distance shrink since you're fighting around max range anyways.

    Chi costs aside, I definitely believe it's an excellent spell.
    Sage is pretty decent as well. As others have stated it gives less magic attack than a 1 spark, but it's also instant, and the animation is hard to see. You could easily surprise someone with the spike damage it gives.

    ^ This

    Though on a PvE aspect, I can keep Welspring up and I only have about -36% chan with it, and have a little extra chi to spare
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  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    I got the sage version of the skill but the dmg boost is not worth the spark i rather save up for a 2nd spark and drop sutra or an ulti. But nevertheless max it to lvl 10 because with a pure build it makes your mana pool 60% larger which also means that you get a lot of mana back when you sage/demon spark. Endgame ~3k up to 4k mana which means you can pyro gush pyro gush sage spark and you dont need extra mana pots when you have around 11k base mana
  • Nurfed_You - Harshlands
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    what are you tlking about mana harm? endgame buffed you hsoudl have around 16k at least. hell without the buff i have 11k
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • BabyHanky - Harshlands
    BabyHanky - Harshlands Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »
    what are you tlking about mana harm? endgame buffed you hsoudl have around 16k at least. hell without the buff i have 11k
    she a vit builder
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    demon wellspring quaff is awesome imo. It make's your casting considerably faster. Very useful if you want to cram more attacks into a FoW silence time, or cast MS before sleep runs out.

    The only problem with it (in my opinion) is that it costs 1 spark. In pvp, as a demon wiz, you don't gain chi too well. With distance shrink, you're already pushing your limits for chi usage since you always want to maintain ~2 sparks for a sutra or ultimate.

    Against another kiting class it can be awesome though since you don't need much chi for distance shrink since you're fighting around max range anyways.

    Chi costs aside, I definitely believe it's an excellent spell.
    Sage is pretty decent as well. As others have stated it gives less magic attack than a 1 spark, but it's also instant, and the animation is hard to see. You could easily surprise someone with the spike damage it gives.

    Um, aren't you sage? ija . . . . .
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • Nurfed_You - Harshlands
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    blood i have both a demon wiz and a sage wizzie. cant killanator?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    what does my culti matter if my points are valid?

    And yes I could have both, but I only have one b:chuckle
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »
    blood i have both a demon wiz and a sage wizzie. cant killanator?

    no, he can't. The things he says are far too noobish to have leveled more than 1 wizard to end game.
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    what does my culti matter if my points are valid?

    I'll let the reader decide if you presented your points as though they were your own experience or not. Which they can't be, because your sage.

    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    demon wellspring quaff is awesome imo.

    A skill you've never used is awesome in your opinion?
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    It make's your casting considerably faster. Very useful if you want to cram more attacks into a FoW silence time, or cast MS before sleep runs out.

    How many more attacks do you get into FoW silence time with it? Oh, thats right, you've never used it.

    And lol if you think you get more than 1 skill "into silence time". Even with sutra its a challenge. Everyone knows that FoW is more like a 2 second seal once the animation is finished.
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    In pvp, as a demon wiz, you don't gain chi too well. With distance shrink, you're already pushing your limits for chi usage since you always want to maintain ~2 sparks for a sutra or ultimate.

    Soooo, this is based on your reading of the skill descriptions, right? Since your not a demon wizard?

    No doubt demon wizards have LESS chi ability than sage - but to conclude that distance shrink causes them to "push their limits" for chi usage? How would you know? I am sure demon wizards would like to use 10 chi instead of 20 or whatever, but show me where anyone that actually has played a demon wizard has EVER said that chi for distance shrink is a problem for them. b:surrender


    The point is, don't give advice as though it based on experience when its not. It reveals you to have an inflated opinion of yourself - a flaw that draws the troll out in me every time.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »
    Which they can't be, because your sage.




    A skill you've never used is awesome in your opinion?



    How many more attacks do you get into FoW silence time with it? Oh, thats right, you've never used it.



    Soooo, this is based on your reading of the skill descriptions, right? Since your not a demon wizard?

    You got me.

    /inb4yourbluenamed. Was pking in SP, didn't need to go white.
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »
    The point is, don't give advice as though it based on experience when its not. It reveals you to have an inflated opinion of yourself - a flaw that draws the troll out in me every time.

    So I'm guessing you have a demon wiz then?
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    The only things I say about demon skills are what they are, not how they play.

    For example, when you said that demon distance shrink would put them out of attack range of a melee target, I corrected you by pointing out that the range on MS is longer than DS for demons, so most likely they could DS and NOT be out of attack range of MS. That is a simple fact.

    By contrast, you say things like "in my opinion, this skill is awesome", as a demon wizard "you will be struggling for chi", and that demon wizards can "fit some extra skills into silence time" or whatver you were saying above.

    Giving facts based on the math of the skills is one thing. By qualifying all your statements on demon skills with "in my opinion" you may think you are insulated from criticism - however when, like with your pk advice, it seems that your "opinion" is based on, well, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, that is a very important consideration to give people who might otherwise want to rely on your "advice".

    An important consideration that, thankfully for them, I am here to highlight.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Your corrections are based off of skill descriptions right? Since you're not a demon wizard? Because I happen to be speaking from experience.

    Despite MS's long range, it's not uncommon to distance shrink out of it's range.
    And even if you distance shrink at the perfect moment and have the target at 35 meters, if they use any movement buff or are in true form they'll still get to you before the ~5seconds to cast MS is up.

    And of course that's just MS. Every time you distance shrink you won't be looking to use MS, and if the opponent was even 2 meters away when you blinked, you'll now be out of range for any other skill.

    Also it seems impossible to build chi as a demon wiz. Blink uses the full 15 chi, so if you distance shrink away and then use gush/pyro then you're either down 5 chi or just breaking even. If you need to use an ultimate and it doesn't finish the fight, then you'll have one hell of a time building back up 2 sparks.

    And that's all from experience.

    My point is, don't give criticism as though it based on experience when its not. It reveals you to have an inflated opinion of yourself - a flaw that draws the troll out in me every time.
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Level 10/Demon Shrink takes 20 chi, not 15. :P
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »
    what are you tlking about mana harm? endgame buffed you hsoudl have around 16k at least. hell without the buff i have 11k
    I was talking about 11k without wellspring not with wellspring used already

    @BabyHanky no i am no vit build i am a pure int build

    greetz harm0wnie
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Your corrections are based off of skill descriptions right? Since you're not a demon wizard? Because I happen to be speaking from experience.

    Despite MS's long range, it's not uncommon to distance shrink out of it's range.
    And even if you distance shrink at the perfect moment and have the target at 35 meters, if they use any movement buff or are in true form they'll still get to you before the ~5seconds to cast MS is up.

    And of course that's just MS. Every time you distance shrink you won't be looking to use MS, and if the opponent was even 2 meters away when you blinked, you'll now be out of range for any other skill.

    Also it seems impossible to build chi as a demon wiz. Blink uses the full 15 chi, so if you distance shrink away and then use gush/pyro then you're either down 5 chi or just breaking even. If you need to use an ultimate and it doesn't finish the fight, then you'll have one hell of a time building back up 2 sparks.

    And that's all from experience.

    My point is, don't give criticism as though it based on experience when its not. It reveals you to have an inflated opinion of yourself - a flaw that draws the troll out in me every time.
    The only chi problems I have is when I first log on, once I get rolling, I tend to have TOO MUCH chi. e.e
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The only chi problems I have is when I first log on, once I get rolling, I tend to have TOO MUCH chi. e.e

    How do you maintain chi? Like during a battle? I use elemental shell when I can and try to balance any distance shrinking I do with enough skills to get the chi back but I never find myself gaining much (if any) chi.
    Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »
    Level 10/Demon Shrink takes 20 chi, not 15. :P

    lol wewps. Kinda helps me point though :P
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    How do you maintain chi? Like during a battle? I use elemental shell when I can and try to balance any distance shrinking I do with enough skills to get the chi back but I never find myself gaining much (if any) chi.



    lol wewps. Kinda helps me point though :P

    Elemental shell, Divine Pyrogram, Glacial Snare, Sandstorm are my main skills.

    I use my chi for distance shrink mainly.

    I rarely use ultis in PvP.

    Same with sutra, only use that on barbs/BM (99% of DW PK is against sins with 5k HP so spark + DP = dead sin, the BMs are similar...gush > seal > spark > DP done).

    I guess you could say I don't have much competition. Most of my drawn out fights are against psys and even then I don't really have chi problems. o.o


    P.S. On downtime, I use my alternative genie for cloud eruption (same genie I use for fights against nonfactors. My main PK genie doesn't have cloud, but by the time I switch to it I already have 200+ chi).
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »
    Level 10/Demon Shrink takes 20 chi, not 15. :P

    Even funnier that I JUST told him that in post #13.

    You have to forgive him, he has a reading comprehension deficiency.
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Your corrections are based off of skill descriptions right?

    When your "advice" or "opinions" gets the most basic facts wrong (like with range on demon DS and MS, and how much chi demon DS uses, etc.) - absolutely.
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    And even if you distance shrink at the perfect moment and have the target at 35 meters, if they use any movement buff or are in true form they'll still get to you before the ~5seconds to cast MS is up.

    So now, having been proven wrong, you change the subject from MS range to its channeling time? lolololol

    vacuity, fortify, demon well spring, sutra, zooming thunder powder, etc. etc. etc. all make MS easily useable when its in range. You have no point. Just take your spanking and learn from it. Talk about what you know, if anything, and stop talking out your ***.
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    And of course that's just MS. Every time you distance shrink you won't be looking to use MS, and if the opponent was even 2 meters away when you blinked, you'll now be out of range for any other skill.

    Yes, and thats so horrible, right? Because, even if true, 5m in this game takes what? less than a second to close? Meanwhile it puts you out of range of most of the attacks of the rest of the server, including ranged stuns.

    Oh, and how about a sins freeze? Yes, demon distance shrink is such a burden there. Frozen, you can't move, but you want to be 5m CLOSER? lol

    Any wizard worth their salt would trade demon DS for sage anyday.
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Also it seems impossible to build chi as a demon wiz.

    Well, at least this time you said it "seems" that way. But again, you aren't a demon wizard.

    "It seems to me that a woman's period would be fun to have . . . . "

    Makes about as much sense as you saying what playing a demon wizard would "seem" to be.
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Blink uses the full 15 chi

    b:chuckle

    Again, this kind of stuff is why you should just learn what you know, and more importantly, recognize what you don't.
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    so if you distance shrink away and then use gush/pyro then you're either down 5 chi or just breaking even.

    OMG, sage wizard would have 5 more chi? Wow, with 5 chi a sage wizard can do, well, absolutely nothing.

    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    If you need to use an ultimate and it doesn't finish the fight, then you'll have one hell of a time building back up 2 sparks.

    And that's all from experience.

    You have no experience building back up to 2 sparks as a demon wizard, yet you say its hard. Thats the point.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    You said "or whatever" maybe he thought you weren't sure either. :P Also I did not read the whole thread...
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    How do you maintain chi? Like during a battle? I use elemental shell when I can and try to balance any distance shrinking I do with enough skills to get the chi back but I never find myself gaining much (if any) chi.

    IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! You have trouble building chi as a sage wizard?!?!?!?!?!?!

    You just told us demon wizards couldn't, now you admit that you as a sage wizard can't.

    Ever think the chi problem you are having has nothing to do with sage vs demon, but its just you?

    Of course not. Your a legend in your own mind.
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    lol wewps. Kinda helps me point though :P

    'cuse meh, you not knowing what you are talking about helps MY point, not yours. Hell, it IS my point.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »
    You said "or whatever" maybe he thought you weren't sure either. :P Also I did not read the whole thread...

    My point is he should read twice as much as he writes. But clearly doesn't. He has more posts than you and I combined, but he has been playing for less than either of us, ijs. And most of his playing time (and posts) were as a 9x.

    Hell, I had 2 wizards to 100 before I posted a single thing on these forums, and that was pre-jail, pre-heads, pre-80k hyper exp stones (hell, the first one was before there even were hyper exp stones - and 1 BH/day!!!).
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • Leviath_Imp - Lost City
    Leviath_Imp - Lost City Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    oh yeah chi wise, I luv sutra- its amazing.
    Its so op, but in the same time so beatable, so like generally
    I use willsurge with sutra and keep a distance, so only stuns can cancel,
    and with FoW and time to actually stun me, I can get of 4 hits.
    Undined and sparked (genie spark), it goes something like
    Dpyro (8-10k) pyro (6-8k) WotP (6-8k) Dpyro (8-10k)
    taking lowest boundaries (considering the guy is plain r9 no jades)
    its about 28k total which would kill most classes.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    pretty sure demon freezes (50%+33%) stuns (50%+20%) and such combined with a shorter FOW cooldown and a longer blink make building chi pretty easy since each 3 second freeze/stun is a free 30+ chi (pyro+ gush+skill) and with only SR, pit, and hail you get something like an 80% chance of 1 procing.

    So in reality chi wise each disable = sage pyrogram procing on a mele but with more pain.

    On another ranged class, eh, white tea if they magicly live through 2 ultis
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Nurfed_You - Harshlands
    Nurfed_You - Harshlands Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    so the conclusion reached is that sage/demon are both good culti's you just have to base it off of how you play and what skills you tend to use?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    @Joshcja: Using something else than Ironguard Powder, Dew of Star Protection or Vacuicy Powder is pretty suicidal with all those sins sneaking around and waiting for the perfect moment to f.uck you up... Also it's not like sage Hailstorm has 0% chance to freeze, I still use it and it still freezes fairly often. Sure I would love to have the demon version, but 33% is still something you can work with. Also it's not only sage pyrogram that gives chi. I've more than once build two sparks, used sage BT or MS, ended up with one spark, used sage chi skill and had a pyrogram proc - And there I was again with 2 new sparks for sutra or another ult, often before the BT/MS cooldown was even up. :o

    @Nurfed: I've been saying this for ages. One day I wanna switch culties out of curiosity for the demon playstyle on another day I am sure I would regret it. If there was a clear choice for me I wouldn't be so torn apart. :S
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »
    @Joshcja: Using any geni skill apothecary pot or even stepping out of safe zone is pretty suicidal with all those sins sneaking around and waiting for the perfect moment to f.uck you up because IG's dont set both fort and apo on CD and the other apos totally don't cause cooldowns either... Also it's not like sage Hailstorm has 0% chance to freeze, I still use it and it still freezes fairly often. Sure I would love to have the demon version, but 33% is still something you can work with. Also it's not only sage pyrogram that gives chi. I've more than once build two sparks, used sage BT or MS, ended up with one spark, used sage chi skill and had a pyrogram proc - And there I was again with 2 new sparks for sutra or another ult, often before the BT/MS cooldown was even up. :o

    Fixed. Also, never said demon gained chi better just said demons can gain chi just fine, and the 40% combined chance of sage Hail+ pit vs the demon 80% is just sad.

    @Nurfed: I've been saying this for ages. One day I wanna switch culties out of curiosity for the demon playstyle on another day I am sure I would regret it. If there was a clear choice for me I wouldn't be so torn apart. :S

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  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »
    oh yeah chi wise, I luv sutra- its amazing.....
    I can get of 4 hits .....
    Dpyro (8-10k) pyro (6-8k) WotP (6-8k) Dpyro (8-10k)

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    Nurfed_You - Harshlands wrote: »
    so the conclusion reached is that sage/demon are both good culti's you just have to base it off of how you play and what skills you tend to use?

    With rank weapons now dishing out uber damage, it kinda takes the wind out of sage's sails, but I still say sage is best for TW, demon is best for 1 vs 1. But the differences between sage in 1 vs 1 and demon in TW are much, much smaller now with rank 8 and especially rank 9 weapons readily available.
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