No Catshop Policy
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HOLY CROW!!! thats insane
why did/does everyone choose to set up shop right there? and why so crowded together? i've never seen it that bad here!
in HT, you hardly ever see even a person there unless they are going to see MrsZoo. and what server is this? so many of the names look oriental.Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »Oooooooooooooooooooh hohohoho old on! You guys seriously don't want this, we have this police in the PWBR, we was having lag, getting DC and even the error "returning state" (dunno how this error was translated here), so instead of the Level Up upgrade their hardware, they created a rule for only open shops in the soulth district because they are very cheap, they only moved the lag from another place, It's more laggy to use the shops now and we can have the "returning state" error more often.
See for yourselves, pay attention on the green dots on the map:
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Chadric - Heavens Tear wrote: »^ lol love how so many people complain about lag or w/e and dont' even know what cause it. I wonder if they even know what part of the computer is the motherboard.
Wait, there is a computer part with the name mother board? b:shocked, you are trolling me dear sir b:cute. We all know a computer is the box with on off switch, keyboard, mouse, screen.0 -
So much misinformation.
It is NOT the Catshops but the large number of people with mounts, genies, pets, glowing effects etc. causing lag.
Upgrade your PC, note that PWI is processor intensive and doesn't use the Graphics Card GPU very much. So you will get more benefit from a fast multi-core CPU than an uber graphics card. AMD Phenom II X4 (the one I have) or Intel i5 or i7 would solve most of your problems.
I don't have any issues with lag in W Arch with Graphics turned on max. I like being able to browse the Catshops, it is like a big swap meet. If it were moved somewhere else it would be inconvenient.
If there is any complaint I have it is the Catshops that sit on NPCs heads and block the icon. I never buy from those as a rule.0 -
I'm sure that most will agree, West Archosaur is difficult to navigate.
The amount of Catshops cause FPS Jitter on any machine that was built before 2010 and several more built beyond. The amount of scrambled text above Catshops is headache inducing and you cannot easily find what you need. People who run Catshops in Archosaur are leaving there computer running which is far-from eco-friendly and probably driving peoples electricity bills up unnecessarily.
My suggestion is to stop people catshop'ing in Archosaur and instead find a better less laggy and less electricity intense solution.
A better solution for example would be organized stools dotted around Archosaur in the places relevant to what is being sold. Players can then see the listed items easily without having to swim through headache inducing lag.
We could make exceptions to keep the people who have paid for there special Vendor shops happy and they will feel like buying the vendor shop was worth it because they can now be a catshop in Archosaur where everyone shops.
There are ofcourse many drawbacks I'm sure you guys will think of, but that is for you to discuss. Do the benefits outweigh the costs?
The PWI game engine is nearly a decade old.
Any newer computer with a half-decent video card should be able to max the game at any reasonable resolution...
Seriously.
If you're a gamer, spend $100 on a video card. Geez.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
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HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »So much misinformation.
It is NOT the Catshops but the large number of people with mounts, genies, pets, glowing effects etc. causing lag.
Upgrade your PC, note that PWI is processor intensive and doesn't use the Graphics Card GPU very much. So you will get more benefit from a fast multi-core CPU than an uber graphics card. AMD Phenom II X4 (the one I have) or Intel i5 or i7 would solve most of your problems.
I don't have any issues with lag in W Arch with Graphics turned on max. I like being able to browse the Catshops, it is like a big swap meet. If it were moved somewhere else it would be inconvenient.
If there is any complaint I have it is the Catshops that sit on NPCs heads and block the icon. I never buy from those as a rule.
true cept for one thing. Tellus and Raging Tide, ARE more Video card intensive.. My old card fried ina surge........ and i'd lag there, unless i turned down distance in the first tab so u see.... well in RT at most u see one flashy big orange ball and **** at a time. Got a new card (cant' tell ya what it is dont' remember and THAT pc i can't use atm for another reason so it isnt' on), and even with distance in the first tab all the way to max i barely blip with lag.0 -
FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »HOLY CROW!!! thats insane
why did/does everyone choose to set up shop right there? and why so crowded together? i've never seen it that bad here!
in HT, you hardly ever see even a person there unless they are going to see MrsZoo. and what server is this? so many of the names look oriental.
That server are the Brazilian oficial PWI, I just loged there for take SS's for you people
They set their shops there because Level Up created a rule, since Archosaur was too laggy for us.0 -
Chadric - Heavens Tear wrote: »please tell me you were joking....
Why would i joke with you, our relationship is not that of master/slave, parent/child/orphan b:pleased0 -
HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »So much misinformation.
It is NOT the Catshops but the large number of people with mounts, genies, pets, glowing effects etc. causing lag.
Upgrade your PC, note that PWI is processor intensive and doesn't use the Graphics Card GPU very much. So you will get more benefit from a fast multi-core CPU than an uber graphics card. AMD Phenom II X4 (the one I have) or Intel i5 or i7 would solve most of your problems.
I don't have any issues with lag in W Arch with Graphics turned on max. I like being able to browse the Catshops, it is like a big swap meet. If it were moved somewhere else it would be inconvenient.
If there is any complaint I have it is the Catshops that sit on NPCs heads and block the icon. I never buy from those as a rule.
PWI is single-threaded. You will gain nothing by going from a dual core to a quad....
Any PC processor made in the last 5 years is plenty for PWI.
The necessary thing for smooth gameplay here is primarily a high speed internet connection. Much of the lag caused in-game when there are too many objects near is because your client isn't receiving data fast enough.
As for graphics, on a dual core with 8800 GTX I could run 3 clients without lagging... I can't imagine what my 2600k+580GTX3G could do...I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Uncheck "Customisations" and check "Proxy Visuals" Reduce Effects and Viev Distance and Problem Solved. Cat Shops arn't the Problem here.
Also, running a shop 24/7 by myself i vend pretty much everything and at least on Harshland are spots where you go if you wanna buy something certain. Example Tokens near west banker, Orbs/Packs near Jewel Craftsman , overpriced g12, g13, 85+++ gear near West Teleport ect ect ect.
We dont need trade restrictions, i dont see the benifits outwight the restrictions. I like it exactly the way it is now. If you want pricewar in favor of the buyer and easy to compare offers check the AH. The catshop chaos provides oportunitys for people that care to go trough the trouble to check them all and you can still sell your stuff 200% more expensive than the shop 0.5 cm next to you because people are too lazy to check. That always amaze me and i dont want this changed because my traders alt greed is infinite.I hate Room 380 -
ok jsut a couple things there..... shouldn't need to uncheck customizations, if u hide people (the distance bar in 2nd tab with proxy visuals) you wont' see them anyway lmao. Unles your'e RIGHT on top of them like going to he banker for a sec.
Reducing effects only reduces the amount of skill effects (other people's skills like if they're dueling) u see and other things like hand traps in TT. U turn that down too far u can't see the trap circles. I leave effects up all the time.0 -
Chadric - Heavens Tear wrote: »ok jsut a couple things there..... shouldn't need to uncheck customizations, if u hide people (the distance bar in 2nd tab with proxy visuals) you wont' see them anyway lmao. Unles your'e RIGHT on top of them like going to he banker for a sec.
Umm... it'll still load customizations even if you have your view distance minimized. Customizations is one of the first things you should take off in this circumstance.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
If you're having lag issues try turning on your Best Performance mode near your HP/MP bars on the upper right corner of your screen. This will make the game look crappy while it's on because it will turn down all graphics to lowest setting. Just remember to turn it off before you log off the game later or else you'll have to reset your graphics settings later.
Also remember that it can hiccup and have your view distance and Customize player avatars turned off. So if you can't see people after logging back in, check your options on the second tab and see if your view distance and customize got turned off.
If Best Performance doesn't work for you... I'm sorry, but you'll need a better PC if you can't run PWI in lowest settings. Nothing will work for you to speed it up.0 -
Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »PWI is single-threaded. You will gain nothing by going from a dual core to a quad....
I have one of those CPU widgets that shows the amount of load on each core and I think you are right on this part, the bulk of the load is on one core, but having more cores allows all the other PC functions to run on the other cores, and since I often multi-client, that really helps.
I don't see any difference in speed when I have 2 clients running vs one.0 -
............... which is why u do what alasen's said and just HIDE people or w/e, doing the EXACT same thing..... unless your computer's such a p.o.s. that it can't handle the ENTIRE game's graphics and u have to still go into total Best Performance......0
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If you're lagging that much. Turn ur UI settings down. Uncheck some boxes. Your computer can't handle it then why have them on? That's what they are there for. Or. Get a better computer/laptop :P0
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maybe should close and sticky this thread in tech support since so many people still don't know what causes lag...... b:surrender0
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Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »PWI is single-threaded. You will gain nothing by going from a dual core to a quad....
Any PC processor made in the last 5 years is plenty for PWI.
The necessary thing for smooth gameplay here is primarily a high speed internet connection. Much of the lag caused in-game when there are too many objects near is because your client isn't receiving data fast enough.
As for graphics, on a dual core with 8800 GTX I could run 3 clients without lagging... I can't imagine what my 2600k+580GTX3G could do...
I have tested up to 6 clients, same card, 18 FPS with all of them in West Arch.
Internet connection is 12MB Fiber. b:victory
Also yes, the engine the client runs on was pre-multi-threading. It does not support multiple cores. It's also a larger hit on the CPU than the GPU.Take the time to look for your answer before you post like an idiot.
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I had huge power bills untill i got my self hammster generator.
Now its everything just fine i keep my shops 24/7
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Completely false.The amount of Catshops cause FPS Jitter on any machine that was built before 2010 and several more built beyond.
This "suggestion" comes up about once every 3 months or so on the forums, but of course none of the people who suggest it bother to test their theory first.
If you adjust the settings to turn off all other players and restart the game, you will see only the cat-shops, and FPS will be high.
If you turn on other players and wait, the game gradually loads more and more textures until RAM is flooded, and FPS will drop.
Conclusion: The high volume of textures loaded when there are many players nearby, not cat-shops, is what causes West Archosaur Lag.
If you don't believe me, just take 10 minutes, do the above experiment, and you'll see what the facts are for yourself.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I'm sure that most will agree, West Archosaur is difficult to navigate.
My suggestion is to stop people catshop'ing in Archosaur and instead find a better less laggy and less electricity intense solution.
I think it is clear that most of us don't agree with you. We like the way it is. For those few who don't like Catshops just go to the Auction houses in a deserted city. Really the only reason to go to West Arch is for Crazy Stone and the Catshops.
Get a better PC, turn down your graphics, or just stay away from West Arch. Simple.0 -
Allisandre - Sanctuary wrote: »I have tested up to 6 clients, same card, 18 FPS with all of them in West Arch.
Internet connection is 12MB Fiber. b:victory
Also yes, the engine the client runs on was pre-multi-threading. It does not support multiple cores. It's also a larger hit on the CPU than the GPU.
On my E6850 @ 4g I used to run anywhere from 3-7 clients... mainly so I could open instances and a few extra to hold some. My limitations were memory, not cpu.
I think people with the most problems are using older systems with integrated graphics.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
That hasn't been my experience.Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »I think people with the most problems are using older systems with integrated graphics.
The ultra-low end integrated Intel graphics laptop I used for my cat-shop had no trouble pushing ~20 FPS in crowded West Archo. However, once enough players had passed by the 512MB of RAM got filled up with textures and things slowed down to ~7 FPS. Re-loading would speed it right back up to ~20 FPS.
The bottle-neck always seems to be texture caching on every system I've played on. More RAM helps delay when it starts to bog down the game, but nothing else (CPU, GPU, Hard Drive speed, etc...) really seems to make much difference.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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well u need 2 gigs to run this game "decently" too so...... MAYBE 1.5
I had this on my mom's pc for a bit to use my alt cleric (until i got a new lappy recently, and b4 we were actually TOLD how to multi 2 at once and it was allowed). there was only 1 gig on there, but it was otherwise almost as good as the pc i built to replace it. I lagged on that thing even by myself rofl...0 -
I'm sure that most will agree, West Archosaur is difficult to navigate.
The amount of Catshops cause FPS Jitter on any machine that was built before 2010 and several more built beyond. The amount of scrambled text above Catshops is headache inducing and you cannot easily find what you need. People who run Catshops in Archosaur are leaving there computer running which is far-from eco-friendly and probably driving peoples electricity bills up unnecessarily.
My suggestion is to stop people catshop'ing in Archosaur and instead find a better less laggy and less electricity intense solution.
A better solution for example would be organized stools dotted around Archosaur in the places relevant to what is being sold. Players can then see the listed items easily without having to swim through headache inducing lag.
We could make exceptions to keep the people who have paid for there special Vendor shops happy and they will feel like buying the vendor shop was worth it because they can now be a catshop in Archosaur where everyone shops.
There are ofcourse many drawbacks I'm sure you guys will think of, but that is for you to discuss. Do the benefits outweigh the costs?
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My suggesti0n...During Arch0 assasult have Dismal Duke d0 a few laps ar0und Arch0..........[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0
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People have been ******** about this since 2008.
Has ANYTHING been done about it? Ask yourself that.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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