why seeker cap vitality at 20?
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like the tittle says why do seeker cap their vitality at 20?
i was reading a bunch of seeker guides and they all say put Even levels: 3 STR 2 DEX
Odd levels: 2 STR 1 DEX 2 VIT
but they also say to cap vitality at level 20 why??
i am not interested in pking at all this is for pve
please someone answer ty ty
i was reading a bunch of seeker guides and they all say put Even levels: 3 STR 2 DEX
Odd levels: 2 STR 1 DEX 2 VIT
but they also say to cap vitality at level 20 why??
i am not interested in pking at all this is for pve
please someone answer ty ty
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Most cap at any level of vit to feel comfortable with SOME type of HP return, plus the small amount of p-def, and m-def it gives.
Alot dont cap any vit at all. (depends on where your gear goal is before taking this route)
But for most part, our insane amount of base defs levels from our buffs, plus O'malys, it compensates well for lesser HP -
And imo, if you are all about PvE, then you really wouldn't need vit- at all, you could survive any instance, and boss, in the current state of the game, with just 7k HP (unbuffed) which most any sub par endgame gear to r9 gear would give (IE r8/tt90+)re0 -
Voldemorkz - Dreamweaver wrote: »like the tittle says why do seeker cap their vitality at 20?
i was reading a bunch of seeker guides and they all say put Even levels: 3 STR 2 DEX
Odd levels: 2 STR 1 DEX 2 VIT
but they also say to cap vitality at level 20 why??
i am not interested in pking at all this is for pve
please someone answer ty ty
To put more points into strength so your attack is stronger.
I capped vit at 30 so if when I get end game gear and feel the desire to refine up my armor for HP I'll have both HP and high damage. And if when I get there I don't want to spend that money I'll just add vit at the end.AKA PermaSpark, Heartshatter0 -
thx guys i guess i will cap out vitality at 30 then.
also after i dont put more points in vitality i put 2 strenghth 3 dexerity every level or 3 dexerity and 2 strenghth every level?0 -
Voldemorkz - Dreamweaver wrote: »thx guys i guess i will cap out vitality at 30 then.
also after i dont put more points in vitality i put 2 strenghth 3 dexerity every level or 3 dexerity and 2 strenghth every level?
3 strength 2 dex.0 -
Why would any high level seeker even have any points placed into vit? It's really a waste. 20 vit points = 300 hp. That won't make any difference as someone in pvp can hit you from 2000-8000 damage from a r9 12+. In pve, your defense levels and having bloodpaint can allow you to tank even the waves of mobs delta. If you want more hp, you can get more from higher/mid refines and sharding perfect citrines at least. Or engrave your rings with vit points.0
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thx everyone for taking time to help i really apreciated0
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I've also seen a Seeker with 3 Vit b:shocked0
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Voldemorkz - Dreamweaver wrote: »like the tittle says why do seeker cap their vitality at 20?
i was reading a bunch of seeker guides and they all say put Even levels: 3 STR 2 DEX
Odd levels: 2 STR 1 DEX 2 VIT
but they also say to cap vitality at level 20 why??
i am not interested in pking at all this is for pve
please someone answer ty ty
Everyone else who has replied so far is thinking from the point of view of a HIGH level Seeker. Once you can get refined Rank 8/9 or Nirvana Gear the Gear more than compensates for the Vit HP that is missing. So that is why they can get away with no extra Vit.
At lower levels you will likely hate playing a Seeker especially if you are PvE solo grinding or questing as you will die a lot if you don't have decent Vit.
I capped at around have 55 base Vit and have 81 Vit from equipment +stats at level 81. I tried restating down to base Vit of 30 and died a lot more, I hated it and restated back up. I can even solo BH59 with Charm and Pots with my current stats.
If I were you I would cap at around 50-60 Vit. If you want a little more damage try holding back some Vit but if you find you are dying a lot then don't be afraid to add Vit.
Once you reach 100 and have amazing gear by all means restat and put all your Vit into Str.0 -
i capped my vit at 5..as in NEVER put any into vit (dunno how the hell some are sayin they seen 3 vit seekers when u start with 5?, unless its sarcasm) but anyways yes thats having high lvls in mind..but i never died at the lower lvls either....plus around 76 to now im 78 now, ive soloed my bh59 a couple of times (bp and crab meat) so that extra 50-60 vit doesnt really matter much unless u have crappy gear. either way diferent players are gonna play diferently....so do it however u want...but for myself and knowing what im doing now and later on.....NO VIT is the way to go.0
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ScarFury - Lost City wrote: »i capped my vit at 5..as in NEVER put any into vit (dunno how the hell some are sayin they seen 3 vit seekers when u start with 5?, unless its sarcasm) but anyways yes thats having high lvls in mind..but i never died at the lower lvls either....plus around 76 to now im 78 now, ive soloed my bh59 a couple of times (bp and crab meat) so that extra 50-60 vit doesnt really matter much unless u have crappy gear. either way diferent players are gonna play diferently....so do it however u want...but for myself and knowing what im doing now and later on.....NO VIT is the way to go.
Because if you restat you can take some down to 3b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »Everyone else who has replied so far is thinking from the point of view of a HIGH level Seeker. Once you can get refined Rank 8/9 or Nirvana Gear the Gear more than compensates for the Vit HP that is missing. So that is why they can get away with no extra Vit.
At lower levels you will likely hate playing a Seeker especially if you are PvE solo grinding or questing as you will die a lot if you don't have decent Vit.
I capped at around have 55 base Vit and have 81 Vit from equipment +stats at level 81. I tried restating down to base Vit of 30 and died a lot more, I hated it and restated back up. I can even solo BH59 with Charm and Pots with my current stats.
If I were you I would cap at around 50-60 Vit. If you want a little more damage try holding back some Vit but if you find you are dying a lot then don't be afraid to add Vit.
Once you reach 100 and have amazing gear by all means restat and put all your Vit into Str.
Even at low levels, the idea is to kill the trash mob before they even hit you lol-
Also with def levels skill + O'malys, you are already on your way to absorbing more damage than most any other class. And as an HA class, can handle Physical damage like you are being tickled. If people are having problems at lower levels, it is typically because 1) they havn't bothered to level up their def lvl buffs, and use o'malys with it...or 2) they attempt fighting magic mobs at range, as if they themselves were a caster.(most common in newb seekers)re0 -
ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »Even at low levels, the idea is to kill the trash mob before they even hit you lol-
^^^^ winner
At low levels, just put in enough VIT to keep you alive. With the insanely low cost of HP pots, in addition to pot packs gained from the Lvl1-50 supply chests, it really shouldn't amount to much..
Go with Jones' and get by on as little Vit as you can live with.. Then when higher level, you will have less Vit points to reset
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HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »Everyone else who has replied so far is thinking from the point of view of a HIGH level Seeker. Once you can get refined Rank 8/9 or Nirvana Gear the Gear more than compensates for the Vit HP that is missing. So that is why they can get away with no extra Vit.
At lower levels you will likely hate playing a Seeker especially if you are PvE solo grinding or questing as you will die a lot if you don't have decent Vit.
I capped at around have 55 base Vit and have 81 Vit from equipment +stats at level 81. I tried restating down to base Vit of 30 and died a lot more, I hated it and restated back up. I can even solo BH59 with Charm and Pots with my current stats.
If I were you I would cap at around 50-60 Vit. If you want a little more damage try holding back some Vit but if you find you are dying a lot then don't be afraid to add Vit.
Once you reach 100 and have amazing gear by all means restat and put all your Vit into Str.
yeah you are right i prefer to hit a bit less but not die, for now at my level is very hard surviving monsters and i cant imajine fighting them without vitality0 -
Almightyz - Dreamweaver wrote: »yeah you are right i prefer to hit a bit less but not die, for now at my level is very hard surviving monsters and i cant imajine fighting them without vitality
Go with 5 Str 3 Dex 2 Vit formula and cap Vit at a comfortable level.
Unless you have a high level alt or friends to buff you and heal (which is what I suspect most of those who are boasting about 3-5 Vit, it is much more fun having some Vit and not dying). Also note that some of those advocating no Vit are powerleveling up, check how quickly they got to their level b:chuckle. There isn't much danger when you are following a high level around in FF.
I have my Def skills maxed and have great equipment, have a HP/MP charm and I still prefer a 55 Vit cap. I am often the only person surviving in a fail squad, or when things go wrong and everything aggros. I will agree that you don't need much Vit for regular mob, however when you get to the Bosses and you are soloing or have a weak healer it is a different story.
But each to his own, these are only guidelines. If people like playing with 5 Vit from 1-100 there is nothing wrong with it. But there is also nothing wrong with having 50-80 Vit if that makes the game more enjoyable.
Personally I don't use the Facebook Blessings, but if you do, just as you can use the Defense Blessing for low Vit, you can also use the Attack Blessing to more than make up for a slightly lower attack with a Vit build.
The more important thing is not to waste any points in Mag.0 -
HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »Go with 5 Str 3 Dex 2 Vit formula and cap Vit at a comfortable level.
Unless you have a high level alt or friends to buff you and heal (which is what I suspect most of those who are boasting about 3-5 Vit, it is much more fun having some Vit and not dying). Also note that some of those advocating no Vit are powerleveling up, check how quickly they got to their level b:chuckle. There isn't much danger when you are following a high level around in FF.
I have my Def skills maxed and have great equipment, have a HP/MP charm and I still prefer a 55 Vit cap. I am often the only person surviving in a fail squad, or when things go wrong and everything aggros. I will agree that you don't need much Vit for regular mob, however when you get to the Bosses and you are soloing or have a weak healer it is a different story.
But each to his own, these are only guidelines. If people like playing with 5 Vit from 1-100 there is nothing wrong with it. But there is also nothing wrong with having 50-80 Vit if that makes the game more enjoyable.
Personally I don't use the Facebook Blessings, but if you do, just as you can use the Defense Blessing for low Vit, you can also use the Attack Blessing to more than make up for a slightly lower attack with a Vit build.
The more important thing is not to waste any points in Mag.
Indeed, if you actually quest and such there is nothing wrong with having some vit. At least until either gold TT 80 or green TT 90 when you start getting lots of vit from gear (and possibly from refines). You can always restat at endgame if you feel you have enough HP from just gear; compared to the price of endgame gear, reset costs are negligible.
Having vit early on allows for easier survivable especially when you're newish to the game. Furthermore, the first 20 levels seem to be littered with magic casting mobs, quite densely packed at times, so I was real happy to have some extra vit so I didn't have to pay too much attention b:chuckle Once you've gained some more ranged skills, and especially heartseeker, you will find yourself getting hit less and less unless you gather up some mobs for AoEing (which I never really liked on seeker until vortex)0 -
HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »Go with 5 Str 3 Dex 2 Vit formula and cap Vit at a comfortable level.
Unless you have a high level alt or friends to buff you and heal (which is what I suspect most of those who are boasting about 3-5 Vit, it is much more fun having some Vit and not dying). Also note that some of those advocating no Vit are powerleveling up, check how quickly they got to their level b:chuckle. There isn't much danger when you are following a high level around in FF.
I have my Def skills maxed and have great equipment, have a HP/MP charm and I still prefer a 55 Vit cap. I am often the only person surviving in a fail squad, or when things go wrong and everything aggros. I will agree that you don't need much Vit for regular mob, however when you get to the Bosses and you are soloing or have a weak healer it is a different story.
But each to his own, these are only guidelines. If people like playing with 5 Vit from 1-100 there is nothing wrong with it. But there is also nothing wrong with having 50-80 Vit if that makes the game more enjoyable.
Personally I don't use the Facebook Blessings, but if you do, just as you can use the Defense Blessing for low Vit, you can also use the Attack Blessing to more than make up for a slightly lower attack with a Vit build.
The more important thing is not to waste any points in Mag.
the part in red: i thinks that way too often a seeker job lol. meh anyway, i capped my vit at 32 and switched to a build of 6 str and 4 dex after. quite useful and crit rate is good.
also, with all the gears i have, i have 81 vit......b:victory
the part in blue: i consider those seeker a disgrace to this class because they are more then half the time a big fail.
p.s to all the plvler, seeker is not a class you can play after plvling itEbrithalia -Sage Seeker0 -
i understand that u guys are sayin MOST...but im sure that aint the case...instead id say they opposite...im not powerlevelin at all...its just sad how fast u can level in this game nowadays even without powerleveling.
This is more of an argument of what TYPE of seeker is better. i say no vit at all but thats cuz i made the mistake of putting too much vit on my BM i made 2 years ago that took me over a yr to get to 95. Now im 80 and it took me a month...and thats without frost or doing BHs except for like 2 or 3 when i got bored.
BUt its also for PK...but id rather have a seeker that hits harder and crits more often..then have one with an extra couple hundred hp..which wont help for sh*t. I already know IF i ended up putting any points into vit..i would restat at 9x so why deal with that...specially since having no vit has been 0% percent of a problem even early on. But then again i know how to play my class....unlike sooooo many new people ive been seein or all thes epower levelers that are just hilarious 0 -
well am defensively not a power leveler i see people get 90 in like a week and i am still on my way to 30 after almost 3 weeks of playing seeker but am having fun and leveling on my own time and that's what matters to me.
my vitality at the moment is 40 at level 27 and monsters are dying way faster and not damaging me much so for now it will remain 40 but i think lager on ill will end it at 50.0 -
Almightyz - Dreamweaver wrote: »well am defensively not a power leveler i see people get 90 in like a week and i am still on my way to 30 after almost 3 weeks of playing seeker but am having fun and leveling on my own time and that's what matters to me.
my vitality at the moment is 40 at level 27 and monsters are dying way faster and not damaging me much so for now it will remain 40 but i think lager on ill will end it at 50.
lol to me sounds like your going path of a "Tank" but what makes you feel more comfertable.....so far best build(every 2lvls) 5str 3dex 2vit (cap'd my vit at 50) AND LOVE this build b:laugh0 -
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Cap vit because then you can put more into strength. With bloodpaint that increases your heals.
With endgame armor you can convert money into HP through refines. HA gives the most HP for each refine.
I think even with high vit at low levels you will still suck up pots while grinding or have to meditate all the time. I don't think vit fixes this problem. I think most classes have this problem at low levels.
The real value of high HP in pve is it lets you survive until the cleric can heal you. For soloing I 'm not sure it helps that much. Just do the math. Will that much HP make a difference?AKA PermaSpark, Heartshatter0 -
ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »Even at low levels, the idea is to kill the trash mob before they even hit you lol-
Also with def levels skill + O'malys, you are already on your way to absorbing more damage than most any other class. And as an HA class, can handle Physical damage like you are being tickled. If people are having problems at lower levels, it is typically because 1) they havn't bothered to level up their def lvl buffs, and use o'malys with it...or 2) they attempt fighting magic mobs at range, as if they themselves were a caster.(most common in newb seekers)
emmm we are casters FYI
on the subject use vit if u want i have 55 capped and still have 400 str, can use my r8 wep etc etc i have 8.5k unbuffed hp =]0 -
HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »Go with 5 Str 3 Dex 2 Vit formula and cap Vit at a comfortable level.
Unless you have a high level alt or friends to buff you and heal (which is what I suspect most of those who are boasting about 3-5 Vit, it is much more fun having some Vit and not dying). Also note that some of those advocating no Vit are powerleveling up, check how quickly they got to their level b:chuckle. There isn't much danger when you are following a high level around in FF.
Personally I don't use the Facebook Blessings, but if you do, just as you can use the Defense Blessing for low Vit, you can also use the Attack Blessing to more than make up for a slightly lower attack with a Vit build.
The more important thing is not to waste any points in Mag.
**** poor assumption. I personally advocate pure STR (3 vit) And haven't power leveled nothing. I study the EG classes long before they even hit PWE servers... couple of months to be precise. And when they finally released, I diligently level, and quested. I also did this long before the discovery of goon glitches. So please, save your juvenile assumptions for when you have factual backing to allocate them correctly..
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SoulPlay - Heavens Tear wrote: »emmm we are casters FYI
on the subject use vit if u want i have 55 capped and still have 400 str, can use my r8 wep etc etc i have 8.5k unbuffed hp =]
eermm of the melee class. Any none moron would know, not to range fight a magic casting mob when you yourself obsorb more physical damage then magic---re0 -
ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »eermm of the melee class. Any none moron would know, not to range fight a magic casting mob when you yourself obsorb more physical damage then magic---
firstly: well done you worked out basic resistances and weaknesses.
(even though u put in the wrong order)
secondly: i highlighted the "as if they where casters" as we we are infact casters.
thirdly: if u notice as u level up through quest u get gems, well some people had the good sence to know the swamp and 60+ magic mob were approaching them and therefore put in some magic def gems.
forth: use heartseeker to immoblize them out of there magic range if u dont want to gem ur armour in temp sapphires.
DONT GIVE ME PROBLEMS GIVE SOLUTIONS ty
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I did, and recognized your feeble attempt at hair splitting arrogance. In essence of being a caster is simply due to efficiency in countering the lack of high APS, but does not bound or limit us to ranged attacking only. In fact, it is far more efficient to mix the two....rather Than shard to accommodate just one-re0 -
not everyone naturally fails at staying alive >.> i REALLY liked this class the moment i played it so i went my way to grind it to level with my VIT at 5. I didnt die as much as some pple say tho. Trick is handling mobs within your range, not overestimating yourself, and being alert on your surroundings and know where to move. Also heres a secret that the old pro's use. Potions and herbs.HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »Go with 5 Str 3 Dex 2 Vit formula and cap Vit at a comfortable level.
Unless you have a high level alt or friends to buff you and heal (which is what I suspect most of those who are boasting about 3-5 Vit, it is much more fun having some Vit and not dying). Also note that some of those advocating no Vit are powerleveling up, check how quickly they got to their level b:chuckle. There isn't much danger when you are following a high level around in FF.
once your in the 100s, your gears help you stay alive alot whether its VIT5 or 100 so yeah...
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ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »I did, and recognized your feeble attempt at hair splitting arrogance. In essence of being a caster is simply due to efficiency in countering the lack of high APS, but does not bound or limit us to ranged attacking only. In fact, it is far more efficient to mix the two....rather Than shard to accommodate just one-
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Well if you think that people will believe that you can get from level 10 to level 90 in a month and a half without ANY form of powerleveling, ie: Oracles, Hypers, FFs, then go delude yourself.ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »**** poor assumption. I personally advocate pure STR (3 vit) And haven't power leveled nothing. I study the EG classes long before they even hit PWE servers... couple of months to be precise. And when they finally released, I diligently level, and quested. I also did this long before the discovery of goon glitches. So please, save your juvenile assumptions for when you have factual backing to allocate them correctly..
lolololol
If you did indeed do it without any of these methods then you are an exceptional player and probably spent a crazy amount of time every day playing. Not something most normal players with a RL do.
If you read my other posts I am advocating +Vit as an easier and more fun way to play for newbies, the OP was a newer player I believe. Also, I have stated that at high levels when you get Rank or Nirvana gear it probably makes sense to re-stat Vit down to base.
Personally, I don't find I need the Vit for normal outside mob, they die easily enough, but I really find that the Vit makes my BH runs much more fun since I end up Tanking the bosses much of the time. I also tend to do BHs with random squads and prefer not not just tag along behind a high level.
I have also said that there is nothing wrong with a playing a pure Str/Dex build if you find you can survive it and enjoy it. I tried restating Vit down in my 70s (during the restat stone sale) and hated it.
I know from experience that if you have a high level alt on another account it is very easy to level up with low Vit. A max level Cleric and Barb buff alone makes leveling a Seeker at least 2 times easier. Most newer players don't have that luxury.0
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