why seeker cap vitality at 20?

HildieGarde - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

not everyone naturally fails at staying alive >.> i REALLY liked this class the moment i played it so i went my way to grind it to level with my VIT at 5. I didnt die as much as some pple say tho. Trick is handling mobs within your range, not overestimating yourself, and being alert on your surroundings and know where to move. Also heres a secret that the old pro's use. Potions and herbs.

once your in the 100s, your gears help you stay alive alot whether its VIT5 or 100 so yeah...

I've never said you cannot survive with low Vit. If I set out to do it I could survive with 5 Vit, but I know it would be less fun for my style of play. I like to solo PV, keep alive in BHs when all goes to hell etc.

But if you get to the original point of the thread, we have (most likely) a newbie asking for advice and unless he/she is planning to powerlevel to 100, I would venture that having some Vit would make their play much more enjoyable low-mid-game.

Also, I made the mistake of creating this Seeker on the same account as my other high level Alts so I couldn't multi-client bosses or get good buffs. I don't like to beg for buffs from others.

In fact I'm leveling a Cleric on my other account just to do that. I notice you don't have your Seeker on this account, how convenient that you have a lvl 103 Cleric to help your new 5Vit Seeker. >.>

BTW, Herbs are only available at level 75, what about before that? Pots are not that strong and have a long cooldown.

ReMakaBo - Archosaur

HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well if you think that people will believe that you can get from level 10 to level 90 in a month and a half without ANY form of powerleveling, ie: Oracles, Hypers, FFs, then go delude yourself.

If you did indeed do it without any of these methods then you are an exceptional player and probably spent a crazy amount of time every day playing. Not something most normal players with a RL do.

If you read my other posts I am advocating +Vit as an easier and more fun way to play for newbies, the OP was a newer player I believe. Also, I have stated that at high levels when you get Rank or Nirvana gear it probably makes sense to re-stat Vit down to base.

Personally, I don't find I need the Vit for normal outside mob, they die easily enough, but I really find that the Vit makes my BH runs much more fun since I end up Tanking the bosses much of the time. I also tend to do BHs with random squads and prefer not not just tag along behind a high level.

I have also said that there is nothing wrong with a playing a pure Str/Dex build if you find you can survive it and enjoy it. I tried restating Vit down in my 70s (during the restat stone sale) and hated it.

I know from experience that if you have a high level alt on another account it is very easy to level up with low Vit. A max level Cleric and Barb buff alone makes leveling a Seeker at least 2 times easier. Most newer players don't have that luxury.

You seem a bit disgruntled against people that simply know how to play the game, thus knowing how to get to endgame in effective time... Hypering in FC is not powerleveling, unless you have high levels running it--- and back when I was leveling my seeker MONTHS ago,(read some pages back grasshoppa. I wrote some advise on seeker pulling for FC prob on pg.1 of this classes forums) I got better xp running with equivelent leveled people anyway.. So a zillion FC runs even hypered, I was forced to play my seeker in a group setting, because running FC may get you to 100 pretty fast, not near as fast as goon glitches, in fact on my work schedule I would get maybe a lvl a week post lvl 90.


Hypering now in Zhen wouldn't be considered powerleveling, not if you are the one doing it youself.. why? You will later need to experience how to zhen, because guess what dear....zhening is our FORTE in any endgame content..

Since you are so adamant about everyone must have high level toons supporting them, I'll admit I had a high level cleric, but that cleric was buttbooty *** naked, (his gear supported the seeker's growth finances) and never used for anything other than buffs.

You really want to give fresh newbies real viable advise? Tell them max the def lvl buff, and become best friends with a sin for their BP (since most servers are so over populated they should't have a problem) that alone will compensate far more than some vit will...

So basically to sum it up- you are simply wrong in assuming that everyone that is not in agreeing with you went from 0-100 in a month in a half- Maybe they just know more than you--

HildieGarde - Heavens Tear

ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »

You seem a bit disgruntled against people that simply know how to play the game, thus knowing how to get to endgame in effective time... Hypering in FC is not powerleveling, unless you have high levels running it--- and back when I was leveling my seeker MONTHS ago,(read some pages back grasshoppa. I wrote some advise on seeker pulling for FC prob on pg.1 of this classes forums) I got better xp running with equivelent leveled people anyway.. So a zillion FC runs even hypered, I was forced to play my seeker in a group setting, because running FC may get you to 100 pretty fast, not near as fast as goon glitches, in fact on my work schedule I would get maybe a lvl a week post lvl 90.

Hypering now in Zhen wouldn't be considered powerleveling, not if you are the one doing it youself.. why? You will later need to experience how to zhen, because guess what dear....zhening is our FORTE in any endgame content..

Since you are so adamant about everyone must have high level toons supporting them, I'll admit I had a high level cleric, but that cleric was buttbooty *** naked, (his gear supported the seeker's growth finances) and never used for anything other than buffs.

You really want to give fresh newbies real viable advise? Tell them max the def lvl buff, and become best friends with a sin for their BP (since most servers are so over populated they should't have a problem) that alone will compensate far more than some vit will...

So basically to sum it up- you are simply wrong in assuming that everyone that is not in agreeing with you went from 0-100 in a month in a half- Maybe they just know more than you--

Contrary to what you may think, I am not disgruntled about powerlevelers. In fact for those who have already done the quests, dungeons and bosses a gazillion times and don't want to repeat it, I think it helps remove the grindiness of the game. I do think however, that the first time a class is played, there should not be too much of this, that is when you get fail players in BH squads. I won't get into an argument about the definition of powerleveling, there are enough threads about what exactly is powerleveling.

However, the type of play for people who rush to endgame vs a beginner who has yet to enjoy all the various quests and dungeons is quite different. Unfortunately, unlike the past where it was easy to find a squad your level to do lower level quests and dungeons, this is not the case anymore.

You have already admitted you used a high level Cleric alt to buff you. The max level Cleric Buff makes a huge difference to leveling ease, I know since I too have used that technique to quickly level 'pure no Vit' toons. And it doesn't matter if your Cleric is butt naked, all that matters is how high the buff level is.

Yes indeed, max Def (Adrenal Numbness), get Bloodpaint from a Sin (or make an alt sin on another account for the buff), get max level 1 hr buffs from a Cleric, while you're at it get the HP buff from a Barb and maybe an attack buff from a BM, always use an O Malleys blessing and things will definitely be easy with only 3 Vit and maybe a few pots.

For newer players, just in case you don't know, the level 10 Cleric Buffs give you 60% more Physical and Magic Defense, 70% more magic damage, 10 HP and MP regen per second. This is even higher for Sage/Demon versions. I would say that this is quite a big advantage. Note: that this will be overwritten if you get a full set of newbie cleric buffs- +15% Phy & Mag Def, +25% Mag attack, +1HP&MP regen per second.

The likelihood that a newbie has access to high level buffs on a regular basis unlike many of us veterans with alt accounts is quite low. I would recommend Seekers who want to or are forced into soloing much of the time, to create an alt account with a Sin and Cleric for the buffs. Sin BP is fairly essential for AOE grinding.

ReMakaBo - Archosaur

Lol now we are talking in circles... high level cleric for buffs yes---alll the time? No- Only when I was soloing my BHs ---Yes! soloing my BHs and even the first half of FCs - with 5 stock vit---

Other than that, I ran with, and used whatever buffs were avaiable in level equivelent groups- I LOVED doing BHs with people my level, it was an awesome challenge, and since early on I could already absorb all damage across the board, even lowbie buffs from (insert class here) felt like a bonus.

But to disclaimer this, I'm not one saying vit added is a bad thing (like you are saying 0 vit for newbs is bad), just that its really in all gawds honest truth----not needed-

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Also, I made the mistake of creating this Seeker on the same account as my other high level Alts so I couldn't multi-client bosses or get good buffs. I don't like to beg for buffs from others.

In fact I'm leveling a Cleric on my other account just to do that. I notice you don't have your Seeker on this account, how convenient that you have a lvl 103 Cleric to help your new 5Vit Seeker. >.>

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

i REALLY liked this class the moment i played it so i went my way to grind it to level with my VIT at 5.

why the hell would i go my way to grind if all im doing is PLing it.... good lord. Just cause your thinking of doing it doesnt mean everyone else does. I rather die and port and possibly move to a new grinding area than hassle my own cleric on to buff me....

not to mention the cost and time of plucking/buying the herbs is far less than leveling another character.

BTW, Herbs are only available at level 75, what about before that? Pots are not that strong and have a long cooldown.

holy noobin'... just stop with the excuses and understand the game.

Pots ARE strong enough. You just have to know the freakin game and what it offers.
If not then your doing it wrong or prolly being greedy on mobs that you can barely handle. There is a reason why there are specific grinding areas for many levels...the game helps you discover this by giving you quests and a whole lotta traveling/exploring on top of that.
As for meds, like i said, know the game. You can use couple at once.
A- one that increases HP/MP regen rate (once every 10min)
B- Pots
C- Meds u get from quests (ex.the locmur), they have a diff. cooldown thats separate from pots.
D- dmg absorbing herbs (personally used alot of Dew types most starting from lv45)

You can rotate ABC or ABD.
genie might be good but i didnt really use that.

HildieGarde - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

why the hell would i go my way to grind if all im doing is PLing it.... good lord. Just cause your thinking of doing it doesnt mean everyone else does. I rather die and port and possibly move to a new grinding area than hassle my own cleric on to buff me....

not to mention the cost and time of plucking/buying the herbs is far less than leveling another character.

holy noobin'... just stop with the excuses and understand the game.

Pots ARE strong enough. You just have to know the freakin game and what it offers.
If not then your doing it wrong or prolly being greedy on mobs that you can barely handle. There is a reason why there are specific grinding areas for many levels...
As for meds, like i said, know the game. You can use couple at once.
A- one that increases HP/MP regen rate (once every 10min)
B- Pots
C- Meds u get from quests (ex.the locmur), they have a diff. cooldown thats separate from pots.
D- dmg absorbing herbs (personally used alot of Dew types most starting from lv45)

You can rotate ABC or ABD.
genie might be good but i didnt really use that.

If you read my post carefully I never said YOU were powerleveling.

I was responding to your insinuation that I fail at staying alive. Indeed it is easy to stay alive on a Seeker even at 5 Vit, IF you stay in your level range and know what you are doing. Seekers are hard to kill and that is one of the reasons I like the class, but there are degrees of how much you can take on.

What I'm saying is that for most newbies and for those who prefer to go into more dangerous situations and still get out alive, some extra Vit is surprisingly beneficial, and for me a more fun way to play.

Contrary to what you may think I do know how to play the game, I have played since 2009 and have tried almost every class and completed almost every Boss and Quest on one or other of my chars.as I have said many times before there is no right or wrong with +Vit. If you can survive and enjoy no Vit, there is nothing wrong with it, but there is also nothing wrong with having a buffer of +Vit if that is what you prefer. It doesn't make you a 'fail' at staying alive.

I do know about Life Powder etc. Yes they can help but not enough in dangerous situations and during Vortex. When all goes to hell in a dungeon, usually by some noob agroing everything, the extra Vit and something a little more powerful than those Pots is usually necessary especially when I decide to Alpha Male and pull all the aggro onto myself to save the squad.

Perhaps my build is an overkill for some, but just like ReMakaBo I can and have soloed Bhs my level but without any Cleric buffs, just BP. I also regularly solo PV with just the BP buff and I like to do it with a ton of mob on me. The extra Vit I know is key to how many I can handle at once.

That is the play style I enjoy, being able to survive and be the last one standing in a squad wipe situation. I don't notice the loss in extra damage, regular mob I can kill, often before they reach me despite my +Vit.

So in summary +Vit does not make you fail at surviving. It all depends on how you like to play.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

If you read my post carefully I never said YOU were powerleveling.

HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »

In fact I'm leveling a Cleric on my other account just to do that. I notice you don't have your Seeker on this account, how convenient that you have a lvl 103 Cleric to help your new 5Vit Seeker. >.>

Carefully or not, if you werent implying a PL then you wouldnt have to have mentioned the level of my cleric, instead of just A cleric.

HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I was responding to your insinuation that I fail at staying alive. Indeed it is easy to stay alive on a Seeker even at 5 Vit, IF you stay in your level range and know what you are doing.

What I'm saying is that for most newbies and for those who prefer to go into more dangerous situations and still get out alive, some extra Vit is surprisingly beneficial, and for me a more fun way to play.

what you say seems to change from each post to the next....as the thread gets longer your opinion gets more neutral as opposed to your first few claims on 5VIT.

HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Contrary to what you may think I do know how to play the game, as I have said many times before there is no right or wrong with +Vit. If you can survive and enjoy no Vit, there is nothing wrong with it, but there is also nothing wrong with having a buffer of +Vit if that is what you prefer. It doesn't make you a 'fail' at staying alive.

I do know about Life Powder etc. Yes they can help but not enough in dangerous situations and during Vortex. When all goes to hell in a dungeon, usually by some noob agroing everything, the extra Vit and something a little more powerful than those Pots is usually necessary especially when I decide to Alpha Male and pull all the aggro onto myself to save the squad.

Perhaps my build is an overkill for some, but just like ReMakaBo I can and have soloed Bhs my level but without any Cleric buffs, just BP. I also regularly solo PV with just the BP buff and I like to do it with a ton of mob on me. The extra Vit I know is key to how many I can handle at once.

That is the play style I enjoy, being able to survive and be the last one standing in a squad wipe situation. I don't notice the loss in extra damage, regular mob I can kill, often before they reach me despite my +Vit.

So in summary +Vit does not make you fail at surviving. It all depends on how you like to play.

Every veteran player was once a noob, but it didnt mean +VIT is the way to go for the easiest route...

And Right. have you really even soloed BHs? It doesnt occur to you that there are herbs below lv75, you dont even seem to know what med to use during 'vortex or other such dangerous times', your mentioning life powder of all things that is a once in 10min med, and everytime someone points out something you sound like your backing out to neutral grounds >.>

HildieGarde - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Carefully or not, if you werent implying a PL then you wouldnt have to have mentioned the level of my cleric, instead of just A cleric.
Help doesn't mean powerlevel. >.>

what you say seems to change from each post to the next....as the thread gets longer your opinion gets more neutral as opposed to your first few claims on 5VIT.
This isn't the only thread I have posted on.

Every veteran player was once a noob, but it didnt mean +VIT is the way to go for the easiest route...

And Right. have you really even soloed BHs? It doesnt occur to you that there are herbs below lv75, you dont even seem to know what med to use during 'vortex or other such dangerous times', your mentioning life powder of all things that is a once in 10min med, and everytime someone points out something you sound like your backing out to neutral grounds >.>

Yes I have soloed Bhs >.>

BTW, you should not use Herbs to denote Apo, since they are more commonly used to refer to Herb Xuanxiao.

I know about the level 25 Sesame Xuanxiao and the Level 25 Multiflavor Jiaozi in fact I have a big stash of them from way back during the Jones event. They are rare but I still see them sold once in a while.

I know about the Life Powder, Focus Powder, the 100HP regen Powder, the invincibility powder etc.

I know about Genie skills such as Absolute Domain, Expel, TOP, Cloud Eruption, etc.

So to give you a brief idea of how to solo BH bosses. Self buff, get BP, HP charm and MP charm required, enough MP to maintain Vortex continuously on Charm (before level 75), HeartShatter>Vortex if things get close due to HP Charm cooldown, throw in a Multiflavor Jiaozi and/or one of the Genie skills.

Post level 75, use Crabmeat and Herb. It also helps if you have Cloud Eruption to get back to 2 sparks during Vortex so you can start it up immediately if interrupted.

TBH it can only be done solo (without Cleric buffs) when you are well geared and near the upper end of your level for the BH. So Legendary 1-3+ refine and at least 3 sockets and Flawless Citrines.

I also doubt that certain bosses like Nob and Pole can be soloed until much higher levels, but, at level 83 I'm not close to doing that yet.

laloner

Nobodies angry at what I said. I feel left out.

HildieGarde - Heavens Tear

laloner wrote: »

Nobodies angry at what I said. I feel left out.

Er... what did you say? Something about more damage giving more heals through the 2% BP heal?

Well if you use my example of soloing BH bosses with BP, it is a very fine balance you have to have enough HP which is greatly helped by Vit, unless of course you are willing to spend a fortune highly refining and HP sharding level 60-90 gear.

The thing that really keeps you alive is your HP charm and you have to survive the cooldown of each Tick. Just a few HP can make all the difference between surviving the extra fraction of a second before it is ready to Tick again and refill your HP to the max.

The BP heal helps tip the balance into possibility but not anywhere as much compared to the HP Charm ~5K HP heal per Tick for me ATM, and 3.5K HP heal over 10 secs for the Jiaozi. The more HP I have, the more each Charm Tick can heal. (That is one of the reasons why high HP Barbs with HP charms are so unkillable.)

The bigger difference comes from how often you hit hard. That is why you need Vortex to solo BHs with BP. For me I am currently averaging about 15K per hit every 1.5secs during Vortex which gives 2K in healing over 10secs. No other skill can produce that much damage and BP healing reliably.

I prefer HP Shards over Def shards because HP can help with both Mag and Phy damage.