How to solo PvE with a wizard?

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  • amingwati
    amingwati Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    @Fulcanelli,
    -It's not even pew pew pew, just a single pew and I'm dead.. at least I hope that I can last longer than that.. b:irritated

    -So I need to press V then F1-F8, then press V again to get back to the first row.. -_-' somehow, clicking on the icon sounds easier.. yeah, it needs some practice.. b:thanks

    @Magicsaber
    b:shocked so it is really that expensive to build a good wizard..
    To think about spending up to 200 mills on a piece of equipment.. b:surrender and I only have 1.5 mill right now..
    The price that you mention, are they just a "good" equipment or they are the best one?
    Maybe I should make an alt, a veno, ppl said they can generate a good amount of money..

    - I'd love to, but I'm playing in Sanctuary so I can't..
  • Fulcanelli - Raging Tide
    Fulcanelli - Raging Tide Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    amingwati wrote: »
    @Fulcanelli,
    -It's not even pew pew pew, just a single pew and I'm dead.. at least I hope that I can last longer than that.. b:irritated

    that's the deal with physical bosses get used to it lol, not even barbs (at the same level of course) can take many hits from bosses, they always need a cleric to survive.

    b:victory
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    amingwati wrote: »

    @Magicsaber
    b:shocked so it is really that expensive to build a good wizard..
    To think about spending up to 200 mills on a piece of equipment.. b:surrender and I only have 1.5 mill right now..
    The price that you mention, are they just a "good" equipment or they are the best one?
    ...

    Really best one.

    And you had asked about end-game gear, which you will not need until end-game.

    amingwati wrote: »

    ...
    - I'd love to, but I'm playing in Sanctuary so I can't..

    You can if you will create low-level Cleric at Raging Tide server (to see it since he can fly) , but I will post some screenshots.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Toliman - Raging Tide
    Toliman - Raging Tide Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
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    You can if you will create low-level Cleric at Raging Tide server (to see it since he can fly), but I will post some screenshots.

    Here is example (Wizard level 54 kill cultivation bosses):

    Omnipotent Drake (click each link to see images):

    just
    example
    of
    fight
    with
    Omnipotent Drake.

    Same for Kashu the Hirudini Myriadept (click each link to see images):

    just
    example.
  • foibi
    foibi Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ok, first of all, your life will get easier when you get more skills, (though ranged phys mobs will always be hard, and mag res annoying).

    Second, you need to take advantage of your spells "side-effects" (the debuffs they cause). Gush's main use is not for its damage, it's for its' slowing down the enemy. (Well, that and its' speed).

    Third, wizards are the only class with so many elements at their disposal, so learn your elements and use them accordingly.

    Fourth, you have a slow/big spell and a faster and lighter (less dmg) for each element. I start with a big spell (that I have all the time in the world to cast since I haven't gotten aggro yet) of an appropriate element. Then hit Gush to slow them down. Then finish them off. When you get Glacial Snare it slows them down even more than gush, so that's a great starter spell (but nothing more than a starter, because it's the slowest-*** of all the slow-***** of spells and has a ridiculous cooling-off time).

    And fifth, as you have already been told, make sure your equip and skills are up to speed, especially your weapon, the reason being, it can't attack you if it's already dead!!!

    So, to sum up:

    Starter slow-*** spell (element appropriate)
    SLOW with Gush (if it's not already slowed)
    Finish it off - (if you have to run, run, but slow it again first - you won't need to run once you get the phoenix and the sutra though).

    Oh, and AoEing things dead is impossible without using the double spark AoEs I'm afraid... that's one of my biggest disappointments really (though I do AoE mobs my lvl using the double-sparks/hailstorm mostly to slow them and then phoenix as they get close).
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    foibi wrote: »
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    Oh, and AoEing things dead is impossible without using the double spark AoEs I'm afraid ... that's one of my biggest disappointments really (though I do AoE mobs my lvl using the double-sparks/hailstorm mostly to slow them and then phoenix as they get close).
    Really ?

    Maximum number of mobs killed by my AoE yesterday was 12 or even more (per one hit- Edited:had not used spark or second AoE). I have dozens of images with result of such AoE (during 2X).

    Exist different methods to kills mobs using AoE skills.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Ruquel - Dreamweaver
    Ruquel - Dreamweaver Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    On my alt (wiz 79) i made sure i had apothecary potions/pills made from herbs i gathered to refill my chi faster(spam healing yourself is way to slow to build chi in most combat situations) to be able to use a spark required spell.

    Example:
    Apothecary level 2: Sickle Leaf Tea
    Player gains 50 Chi instantly.
    Recipe: 15 Elderwood, 10 Nectar

    There are more pills and potions you can make for free, MP refilling or HP refilling:

    Look here

    or PWdatabase.
  • amingwati
    amingwati Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I have not played my wiz for quite some time now..

    @foibi
    yes, I'm doing that combo too..
    like : nuke-gush-pyro/sr-gush-phoenix/run-gush-.... till they die. Except for fire mobs where I just glacial-gush-run-gush-run-...

    I've got a new spell that should be useful, it's FoW, but I haven't get used too it (or maybe because it's still level 1) that it doesn't help that much.. b:tired
    I do FoW, the monster runaway for a short distance, 1 sec later it charged back to me with top speed..
    (I swear they run faster than usual everytime I hit them with phoenix / FoW, the difference is that phoenix sent them further so it's still useful. maybe this is an effect of lag, I dunno, lol)

    @magicsaber
    Killing a group of mobs with AoE from afar is what I think about a wizards before I try to make one.. Now it seems impossible for me with just Dragon Breath, Hailstorm, and Emberstorm in my arsenal. Dragon Breath is a suicidal skill, I won't use it anymore.. b:angry
    Maybe it's possible when I get something like black ice dragon strike, and maybe I need it to do crit to kill in one hit..
    Not to mention the equipment must be expensive.. b:cry

    @ruquel
    yes, I used some apothecary potions, like chaos powder and life powder.
    For the chi, I think I haven't found the use for chi now, it seems most of my "everyday spells" did not consume chi.. Now I use chi only for shields and distance shrink, and for sparking some tough monsters (if I remember that the spark is sitting there idle)..
    I'm playing other classes too and they do need those chi, especially for my veno where chi drains very fast..
    But on my wiz, chi is always full and idle.. I dunno, do I miss something?
  • Fulcanelli - Raging Tide
    Fulcanelli - Raging Tide Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I haven't played my wizzie lately too, damn 2x! now is time for me to give him some love b:pleased

    Now the wall of text:

    - FoW will become more and more useful everytime you level it up (it increases the duration of the "running away").

    - sadly you can't one-hit mobs of your same level with ANY AoE unless it crits b:sad
    well maybe when your ultis are maxed

    Obviously my wizzie doesn't have any ulti yet but my cleric recently adquiered Tempest (is comparable to the wizzies ultis, but a bit weaker) and I can take out around 2/3 of the mob's HP non-crit (same level mob).

    If you want to kill things with your AoEs use Dragon's Breath, is an awesome skill!!! you just need to team up with a cleric and fight magic mobs, make sure that the mobs stays inside DB range or you are gonna die in a very funny way b:chuckle

    I'm sure you can solo AoE with DB with the right apothecary thingy but I didn't tried that yet (I'm gonna do it, I love that skill)

    Hailstorm and WotP are just not strong enough and emberstorm... b:shutup

    - You are gonna need chi once you get your level 59 skills, every single one of them requires 2 sparks, but wizards have a good chi gain (my cleric really sucks at it T_T)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • amingwati
    amingwati Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    @Fulcanelli,

    b:chuckle what a wall of text.. I usually don't use quote on a wall of text because my post consist a wall of text too, so the overall post will be too long..


    -Yes, FoW looks useful on that video posted by HarmOwnie too.. My FoW is just lvl 1, maybe I can't depend on it for now..

    -I rarely team up with a cleric, no, in fact I'm rarely team up with anyone b:shedtear, so Dragon Breath is not a choice for me..

    -You're right, if I use apothecary pots like chaos powder (or the lvl 2 pots that give 4000 hp over 30 secs) combined with ordinary pots it seems I can survive while doing dragon breath, but I think the apothecary pots are too valuable to use at a time like this.. I need to farm a lot of herbs to make one.. b:surrender

    I remember someone said to use a genie skill that make me invulnerable to all damage for several secs when doing dragon breath, but I haven't take that genie skill.. I think it's called expel..

    -I use phoenix only for it's knockback ability, not for the AoE.
    So far if there are more than 2 mobs running into me, I won't think to use any AoE skills.
    I just run away from them.. b:bye

    -Umm.. I don't know whether I'm going to use the ultis or not when soloing.. If it cannot one shoot, then a lot of mobs will coming. And because it drains the chi, so the choice is only to hailstorm or phoenix, right?
    That Tempest of your cleric, did it take 2/3 of mobs' hp when the skill lvl is 1?

    b:thanks
  • Fulcanelli - Raging Tide
    Fulcanelli - Raging Tide Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    - There are very cool apothecary pots, the only problem is the long cooldown (it's like 2 min or so b:sad), what I do is to take a whole day collecting herbs, I look at pwdatabase to make a repeteable route and then make a bunch of pots at the same time so I don't have to worry about pots for a couple of weeks b:victory

    - AoE grind requires some practice and well leveled AoE skills, I'm just starting to try it with my cleric (level 65) but I still feel a bit weak, maybe the AoE thing is for levels 70+

    - I use tempest (level 1) as an opener for increased life mobs, I don't use it yet for the AoE. Probly is more efficient to double spark and use pokes but I just love that kick-**** skill (I use it everytime I can lol)

    Maybe a maxed Blade Tempest can one-shot mobs, if you look at its description you can notice that uses twice your base magic attack, and at higher levels the most part of your damage comes from your base magic attack plus your weap damage plus the fixed damage it must hit pretty hard b:dirty

    Too bad that the high levels lost interest in newbies posts, they are now endlessly arguing about wich one is the best smart-**** b:chuckle , if not they would tell us the real power of the ultis.

    There is an old thread on the wiz forum where all the high levels posted they higher damage on a single hit, you can see there some lovely numbers, I'm gonna try to find it...
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Let me summarise some thoughts (Wizard is good in PvE since ...):



    From Mizuoni's Wizard Guide (since 60+):
    Mizuoni wrote:
    Player vs. Environment (PVE)
    PVE is the main part of this game. It's how you level, how you quest most of the time. PVE is fighting against monsters (mobs) which are a part of the environment thus given the name PVE. How to do PVE as a Wizard PVE as a wizard starts out easy, gets harder, then gets stupid easy. I am going to warn you now.
    Your goal as a wizard is to: MAKE IT OUT THE HELL OF PVE PRE-60 When you start out things shouldn't get too hard until level 15 (this is what I heard, as for me I didn't have a problem until level 26 when all those archer mobs started coming out)

    From other source (since 90+):
    Rivi_V - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ...
    Wizards only start getting ok at lv90++
    ...

    From yet one source (since 100+):
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    EDIT: ON Hold until ppl stop fooling around with guides, lol

    What this aims to be: an up to date overview on wizard class. This post, and the ones that will follow, will not give you tips about PvP or PvE tactics. There is enough information on those already, and the best thing you can do anyway is to try a lot and die a bunch until you figure out timings, skills efects, strengths and weaknesses.
    This is aimed at the ones who want to have a good wizard at endgame. If you're playing PWI just for socializing and getting along with friends creating your little sandbox that's good. If you want to do something at server scale, you need to know some things. And at the moment, there is no coherent guides/topics that will teach you what you need to know.

    No disrespect to any of the previous guides, they all have a lot of good advices in them but at the same time, those guides were written back when there were no Tideborns and except Seraphim's guide, back when there were no genies either. These two expansions completely changed the way this class needs to be played and the way this class needs to be built. I will intentionally leave out references to rank9 gear/weapon as of now, because everyone, their mother, cat and pet pig knows: rank9 is overpowered compared to anything else before it. There is just no competition.

    What you , as newly spawned wizard in PWI, should know is: this class is only good in this game for two instances: Rebirth(RB) and Territory Wars(TW). This is the pure hard truth. Don't expect anyone to get you in squads for anything else in PvE, there are other classes that replace you there and do a much, much better job than you could ever do. Yeah, sounds stupid. Ask GMs why.

    Another advice: don't roll this as your main class. NEVER. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, ROLL A WIZARD AS YOUR FIRST OR MAIN CHAR ON PWI. You will regret it. This class is like a luxury wh*re: takes a lot of cash just to get a good one, and when you have it you find out that any "extra" stuff you want to do with it will cost you more and more cash. Don't laugh, that's the way it is.

    ...
    The game starts from lvl 1 but you become a player when you hit 100. Up until then you're just another toon creating lag in PW. You don't count in any kind of PvP instance or open world PvP, and even if you try you're going to get your **** whooped like there's no tomorrow. The reason behind this statement? Well, rank8 gear is as widely available now as it was TT90 gear at the time of Seraphim's, Pandora and Dtone's time. The difference in damage/defenses between the two is sky high though. An year ago having a lvl 95 +10 refined lunar weapon was an extraordinary achievement. Now, a rank8 weapon at +5 refine will outdamage that lvl 95 +10 lunar, and rank8 comes with additional armor, pants, ring and belt. All these armor pieces are better than their TT counterparts, are basically at a fraction of the cost, and can be 4 sockets (takes 1 million coins to buy a piece of armor once a day, with a chance of getting 3 or 4 sockets) .

    Because of this jump in overall stats at 100, everything below is pretty much irrelevant.

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    Never for some people:
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »
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    There are also many lvl 100 wizards who have no idea how to time their ultis and how to use elemental weaknesses .... I talked with some people who lvled up quickly to 100 and regreted it when they started to play dungeons because they had to learn those instances and skills straight from the start. Lvling up the old fashioned way helps to identify the strengths and weaknesses of your char better.

    ...


    I am 100% sure, that I can play Wizard char at every other level at PvE and in most cases solo.

    P.S.
    Fulcanelli - Raging Tide wrote: »
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    There is an old thread on the wiz forum where all the high levels posted they higher damage on a single hit, you can see there some lovely numbers, I'm gonna try to find it...
    Don't forget, that high level Wizards hit high level mobs and bosses, which have more HP than low level mobs and bosses.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • amingwati
    amingwati Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    @Magicsaber,

    b:chuckle To think about it, my wiz feels quite strong when I have that Jones Blessing, I can kill any monster at my level range easily (excluding bosses and range type).. I think he is around 35-45 when the Jones Blessing is on.. But after it expired, my wiz became so-so again.. Not weak like 20-30, but just so-so..
    I miss my jones blessing, 30 attack level is really a big difference.. b:cry They give it only for 7 days, how stingy..

    So I think the line between bad and good at PvE is vague.. It could be lies at any level, depend on equipment and player's skill..

    The player's skill should improve as he/she continue to play the his/her wiz..
    The equipment is.. well b:lipcurl either need cash, luck, or time consumed in-game to be improved..
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    amingwati wrote: »
    @Magicsaber,

    b:chuckle To think about it, my wiz feels quite strong when I have that Jones Blessing, I can kill any monster at my level range easily (excluding bosses and range type).. I think he is around 35-45 when the Jones Blessing is on.. But after it expired, my wiz became so-so again.. Not weak like 20-30, but just so-so..
    I miss my jones blessing, 30 attack level is really a big difference.. b:cry They give it only for 7 days, how stingy..

    So I think the line between bad and good at PvE is vague.. It could be lies at any level, depend on equipment and player's skill..

    The player's skill should improve as he/she continue to play the his/her wiz..
    The equipment is.. well b:lipcurl either need cash, luck, or time consumed in-game to be improved..

    You can get Jones Blessing every day (if you want). Try to get it again.

    And with each other level any class cost more and more time, money (coins, for example - look on rising with each level cost of skills), etc.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • amingwati
    amingwati Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You can get Jones Blessing every day (if you want). Try to get it again.

    And with each other level any class cost more and more time, money (coins, for example - look on rising with each level cost of skills), etc.

    b:sweat I didn't know that I can get another jones blessing..
    I'll try to get it.. b:thanks that will make everything easier..
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Actually you can get as many jones as you want. Just make a couple gmail accounts, use them to sign up for facebook, then spam jones to your characters b:cute
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