How to solo PvE with a wizard?

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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    You are looking at damage per hit.

    I am looking for total damage and for every second that I need to do such damage .

    Because time to do and time when done are different things.

    Time to do or time to channel and cast skill is less than time when done total damage DoT (15 seconds later), but I know, that it will be done.

    Translation: herp derp I didn't know crit rate/atk levels/chi also came into the equation of skill dps.. So I'll just pretend nobody told me. b:victory
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  • Fulcanelli - Raging Tide
    Fulcanelli - Raging Tide Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Translation: herp derp I didn't know crit rate/atk levels/chi also came into the equation of skill dps.. So I'll just pretend nobody told me. b:victory

    stop trolling Adroit! what the hell has to do crit rate and chi with dps?

    His numbers were taken from the screenshots so I'm assuming that the attack levels are already being considerated.

    PS: yeah I said I wasn't posting anymore but I can't stand people that post just to increase their postcount b:avoid

    PS PS: I also said that I wasn't thinking about dps anymore but I can't help it, it's already growing in my head...

    spelling note: "wasn't" is wrong up there but I can't remember what is the word I should use T_T
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  • Kagizyu - Heavens Tear
    Kagizyu - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    stop trolling Adroit! what the hell has to do crit rate and chi with dps?

    His numbers were taken from the screenshots so I'm assuming that the attack levels are already being considerated.

    PS: yeah I said I wasn't posting anymore but I can't stand people that post just to increase their postcount b:avoid

    PS PS: I also said that I wasn't thinking about dps anymore but I can't help it, it's already growing in my head...

    spelling note: "wasn't" is wrong up there but I can't remember what is the word I should use T_T

    Crit rate gives pyrogram a higher hit if it procs = more damage than the crown + DoT being crit

    Attack levels do not affect DoT, so the fire damage will stay the same.
    A rank 9 will hit more with pyrogram in 1 hit than it will with Crown + the damage over time


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  • Fulcanelli - Raging Tide
    Fulcanelli - Raging Tide Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Crit rate gives pyrogram a higher hit if it procs = more damage than the crown + DoT being crit

    IF it crits yes, but how is that relevant to the skill dps proper comparison when it doesn't (most of the time).

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  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Ah, I was wondering where you went to. I almost thought you had ragequit for good that time.. I guess it was just a few months b:chuckle I wonder how long you'll last this time?

    I decided to abandon the forums, only to come around when summoned (as you did on this or another recent thread, can't be bothered to remember which) or when truth demands it.

    Arguing with children is mostly a waste of time, and I came to realize that the majority of the people here are, in truth, children. My fault for playing a child's game, i suppose, but I enjoy it.

    That, and whenever I visit your server, the home of the so called greatest pvp wizards of all time, I never see any of you pk'ing, at west gate, at silver pool or anywhere else. And when I ask for you, the people there uniformly say you don't pk there either. So tell us more about pk on a wizard, oh great one.

    Go make more films of you pking against an uncharmed bm as though its some accomplishment, and garner your army of noob admirers, and bash people on the forums whenever they deign to make a statement not half as noobish as you just did (ref. your response to me saying elemental shell wasn't that useful (which is clearly a matter of opinion) vs your "water mobs take full damage from gush", which is flat out wrong).

    I used to think all these were worth the effort to clarify. That 2nd and 3rd possibilities were worthy of illumination. But I realize that you and your followers are mostly all show and no go, incapable of viewing distinctions as merely differences.

    And as I've told you before, you LOVE when I post. You NEED me to post. Unfortunately, you are too boring an adversary to maintain my interest. You're all ego, plain and simple. You like to think your the best wizard ever. Fine. Think what you will. Go put it on your resume. Do what you like, because most people playing this game couldn't care less.

    PS: only one of us ever RQ anything. And that was you, after the rank sale, saying you were quitting the game as soon as your last two charms were used up. Still haven't worked through those last two charms, eh? Alas, that, like everythign else with you, is all talk. Here you are still. But RQ temper tantrums over the rank sale is to be expected from child. My mistake for taking you as anything but for as long as I have.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    I decided to abandon the forums, only to come around when summoned (as you did on this or another recent thread, can't be bothered to remember which) or when truth demands it.

    Arguing with children is mostly a waste of time, and I came to realize that the majority of the people here are, in truth, children. My fault for playing a child's game, i suppose, but I enjoy it.

    That, and whenever I visit your server, the home of the so called greatest pvp wizards of all time, I never see any of you pk'ing, at west gate, at silver pool or anywhere else. And when I ask for you, the people there uniformly say you don't pk there either. So tell us more about pk on a wizard, oh great one.

    Go make more films of you pking against an uncharmed bm as though its some accomplishment, and garner your army of noob admirers, and bash people on the forums whenever they deign to make a statement not half as noobish as you just did (ref. your response to me saying elemental shell wasn't that useful (which is clearly a matter of opinion) vs your "water mobs take full damage from gush", which is flat out wrong).

    I used to think all these were worth the effort to clarify. That 2nd and 3rd possibilities were worthy of illumination. But I realize that you and your followers are mostly all show and no go, incapable of viewing distinctions as merely differences.

    And as I've told you before, you LOVE when I post. You NEED me to post. Unfortunately, you are too boring an adversary to maintain my interest. You're all ego, plain and simple. You like to think your the best wizard ever. Fine. Think what you will. Go put it on your resume. Do what you like, because most people playing this game couldn't care less.

    PS: only one of us ever RQ anything. And that was you, after the rank sale, saying you were quitting the game as soon as your last two charms were used up. Still haven't worked through those last two charms, eh? Alas, that, like everythign else with you, is all talk. Here you are still. But RQ temper tantrums over the rank sale is to be expected from child. My mistake for taking you as anything but for as long as I have.

    I wonder if anyone reads these QQ rage essays anymore.
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  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Translation: herp derp I didn't know crit rate/atk levels/chi also came into the equation of skill dps.. So I'll just pretend nobody told me. b:victory

    Sorry, but can you read if not my posts, but at least my threads ?

    Look at this, for example:

    -Channeling vs. Critical chance damage increase comparison.

    I know about this matter more than you could imagine.

    Sorry that disappointed you (I could to show above thread in previous posts).
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  • Ruquel - Dreamweaver
    Ruquel - Dreamweaver Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Just put Earthquake (push-back spell) skill on your genie... You can always unlearn as soon you get the Will of Phoenix. Combined with genieskill Second Wind (healing, keep that one) you will be able to survive
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Sorry, but can you read if not my posts, but at least my threads ?

    Look at this, for example:

    -Channeling vs. Critical chance damage increase comparison.

    I know about this matter more than you could imagine.

    Sorry that disappointed you (I could to show above thread in previous posts).

    I'm not sure why you'd post a thread like that.. it isn't impressive in the least.. just you stating your opinion without backing anything up. You neglect variables to fit what you are trying to say.. and then you seem to think they somehow magically disappear if you ignore them. Hey pyro does more damage than BIDS if you forget that BIDS does damage. derrrrrrp
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  • Kaitica - Heavens Tear
    Kaitica - Heavens Tear Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Here's how to fix this.

    To stop the fighting, go back to original question and say...

    They don't.
  • Lord_Mot - Harshlands
    Lord_Mot - Harshlands Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Just put Earthquake (push-back spell) skill on your genie... You can always unlearn as soon you get the Will of Phoenix. Combined with genieskill Second Wind (healing, keep that one) you will be able to survive

    I was going to bring up genies if no one else did. Both of these skills are good ones but I find that Tree of Protection is a good complement/substitute for Second Wind with the healing over time, you just can't wait till the last minute to use it.

    The earlier suggestion of building a LA wizard is not a bad one, but at your level, you would be getting near the point where you would want to restat anyway - same with adding VIT, it would have helped at lower levels, but now the added damage from MAG would help more.

    My two cents on the Crown of Flame debate (if I dare get in the middle of that) is that it is useful on metal mobs to slip in while divine pyro/regular pyro are in cooldown, but otherwise I don't use it much.

    As far as kiting, I've never really done much of it and I solo PVE just fine, of course I'm almost alway charmed which is kind of like a 50-99% hp bonus. I get mine now using the Sage/Demon cards through the DQ point system. (Prior to that system I had to grind for them - a vicious circle kind of thing - grind for charms to use during grinding) You are probably a little low to be able to accumulate many DQ points (you need 50,000) for the card, but as you level higher, you will be surprised how fast they'll accumulate - assuming you level through questing/grinding and not in that abomination of an instance called FC.

    Let's see, any other advice... Avoid Increased Magic Resistant mobs like the plague, at least till 79 where you'll get Undine Strike, which makes them no worse than increased life mobs.

    Keep up with your armor/weapon level. It's easy lose track and discover your a lvl 50 with lvl 30 sleeves. I would advise just using three stars purchased in the AH for most of your armor till you get into your upper 50s/lower 60s. Try to get Legendary weapons, they're not too expensive at lower levels.
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  • amingwati
    amingwati Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Just put Earthquake (push-back spell) skill on your genie... You can always unlearn as soon you get the Will of Phoenix. Combined with genieskill Second Wind (healing, keep that one) you will be able to survive
    I was going to bring up genies if no one else did. Both of these skills are good ones but I find that Tree of Protection is a good complement/substitute for Second Wind with the healing over time, you just can't wait till the last minute to use it.

    The earlier suggestion of building a LA wizard is not a bad one, but at your level, you would be getting near the point where you would want to restat anyway - same with adding VIT, it would have helped at lower levels, but now the added damage from MAG would help more.

    My two cents on the Crown of Flame debate (if I dare get in the middle of that) is that it is useful on metal mobs to slip in while divine pyro/regular pyro are in cooldown, but otherwise I don't use it much.

    As far as kiting, I've never really done much of it and I solo PVE just fine, of course I'm almost alway charmed which is kind of like a 50-99% hp bonus. I get mine now using the Sage/Demon cards through the DQ point system. (Prior to that system I had to grind for them - a vicious circle kind of thing - grind for charms to use during grinding) You are probably a little low to be able to accumulate many DQ points (you need 50,000) for the card, but as you level higher, you will be surprised how fast they'll accumulate - assuming you level through questing/grinding and not in that abomination of an instance called FC.

    Let's see, any other advice... Avoid Increased Magic Resistant mobs like the plague, at least till 79 where you'll get Undine Strike, which makes them no worse than increased life mobs.

    Keep up with your armor/weapon level. It's easy lose track and discover your a lvl 50 with lvl 30 sleeves. I would advise just using three stars purchased in the AH for most of your armor till you get into your upper 50s/lower 60s. Try to get Legendary weapons, they're not too expensive at lower levels.

    Currently my genie is a lvl 32 Zeal, I keep infusing my exp to it since I reach lvl 39.
    I haven't get any genie skills. I'm planning to get Holy Path for my first genie skills, ppl in genie discussion thread seems to get this skills. The next thing I would want to learn for my genie could be Second wind, but I still not sure. Now that you mention it, I want to ask whether Second Wind is still useful until you reach a high level?

    For the LA build maybe I won't do it, because I don't want to do restat (don't want to spend $ on restat, actually)

    btw, What is DQ Point and how can I get it?
    also, What is Jones Blessing? ppl mention about it, that I should always use Jones Blessing, but I just don't know how to use it.. b:puzzled
  • Lord_Mot - Harshlands
    Lord_Mot - Harshlands Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    amingwati wrote: »
    Currently my genie is a lvl 32 Zeal, I keep infusing my exp to it since I reach lvl 39.
    I haven't get any genie skills. I'm planning to get Holy Path for my first genie skills, ppl in genie discussion thread seems to get this skills. The next thing I would want to learn for my genie could be Second wind, but I still not sure. Now that you mention it, I want to ask whether Second Wind is still useful until you reach a high level?

    For the LA build maybe I won't do it, because I don't want to do restat (don't want to spend $ on restat, actually)

    btw, What is DQ Point and how can I get it?
    also, What is Jones Blessing? ppl mention about it, that I should always use Jones Blessing, but I just don't know how to use it.. b:puzzled

    Most of the time Holy Path is more of a convience skill to let you keep up with squad in an instance. There are occasions when you're getting pounded by a mob or mobs that it allows you to run away and gives you enough time to fly out of range. I find Second Wind still very useful as an emergency heal while a pot is in cooldown, which is often a real lifesaver. I would say that Second Wind >> Holy Path priority wise.

    DQ (Dragon Quest) items are drops that were originally used in certain repeatable quests to earn tokens which can be traded for gear/mounts. That system is still there, but I don't believe many people use it anymore. Now when you sell a DQ item to an NPC, you earn a certain number of points. The drops will have a line at the bottom of their description stating how many points the are worth - the higher the level, the more points you earn. If you scroll the top of the page and select Community (same tab to get to forum) you will see in the right column a box labeled "DQ Rewards" That is how you access the reward system and where you go to trade DQ Points for ingame items. You can also find out which drops are DQ items and how many points they are worth.

    At the bottom of that same column under Community you will see Facebook Connect. If you link your Facebook account to PWI, you will get a Jones or O'Malley blessing. The Jones blessing gives you an additional 30 Attack Levels (approx 30% more attack damage). The O'Malley blessing gives you 15 attack levels and 15 defense levels (appox.15% more attack damage+15% less damage taken) The blessing will be mailed to the character you select and when you get it in inventory you drag it to the blessing box.

    Hope this helps
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  • Fulcanelli - Raging Tide
    Fulcanelli - Raging Tide Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    amingwati wrote: »
    Currently my genie is a lvl 32 Zeal, I keep infusing my exp to it since I reach lvl 39.
    I haven't get any genie skills. I'm planning to get Holy Path for my first genie skills, ppl in genie discussion thread seems to get this skills. The next thing I would want to learn for my genie could be Second wind, but I still not sure. Now that you mention it, I want to ask whether Second Wind is still useful until you reach a high level?

    For the LA build maybe I won't do it, because I don't want to do restat (don't want to spend $ on restat, actually)

    btw, What is DQ Point and how can I get it?
    also, What is Jones Blessing? ppl mention about it, that I should always use Jones Blessing, but I just don't know how to use it.. b:puzzled

    Jones Blessings is the end of your troubles, you are gonna notice the difference (I should know, I leveled a cleric to 60, on my really slow way to leveling, without it... I regreat it alot)

    about genies skills: get holy path and second wind, the both are very usefull, but you have to choose only one for now because I don't think you have enough affinity points yet (at least I don't)

    If you have a Zeal genie my advice is to keep the original skill earthflame, I don't know if you already know it but you can use it to "separate" a mob from a group without aggroing the rest of them or to separate the "bodyguards" from a boss one by one:

    select the mob ---> use earthflame ---> run away a bit and let the mob chase you ---> when the mob is far enough from the rest you can kill it without worries.

    It's very usefull if you like to solo PvE.

    About weapons, I don't know on other servers but on RT low level legendary weaps are kinda expensive, the only weap that is worth to get is the old good wheel of fate (you don't have many choices till level 60 anyway lol).

    EDIT: one last thing: learn apothecary skill you can make a pot called life powder that increase you hp regen by 50 per sec and last 10 minutes, when you reach level 40 you can use focus powder this one increase your mp regen by 50 per sec, make it and use it all the time!!!

    keep up the good work! b:chuckle

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  • amingwati
    amingwati Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Most of the time Holy Path is more of a convience skill to let you keep up with squad in an instance. There are occasions when you're getting pounded by a mob or mobs that it allows you to run away and gives you enough time to fly out of range. I find Second Wind still very useful as an emergency heal while a pot is in cooldown, which is often a real lifesaver. I would say that Second Wind >> Holy Path priority wise.

    Ok then I'll get both of them, but my affinity points are already added to 2MT, 2ER, 2WD, so I'll take holy path first.. I have 1 affinity point that accidentally added to FR, so I can't learn second wind for now..
    b:thanks
    Jones Blessings is the end of your troubles, you are gonna notice the difference (I should know, I leveled a cleric to 60, on my really slow way to leveling, without it... I regreat it alot)



    select the mob ---> use earthflame ---> run away a bit and let the mob chase you ---> when the mob is far enough from the rest you can kill it without worries.



    About weapons, I don't know on other servers but on RT low level legendary weaps are kinda expensive, the only weap that is worth to get is the old good wheel of fate (you don't have many choices till level 60 anyway lol).

    EDIT: one last thing: learn apothecary skill you can make a pot called life powder that increase you hp regen by 50 per sec and last 10 minutes, when you reach level 40 you can use focus powder this one increase your mp regen by 50 per sec, make it and use it all the time!!!

    I took my jones blessing today, and it really makes a big difference in my attack power.. b:victory


    Yes, I used earthflame to lure monster out from their group. I read it somewhere in this forum..


    when I check pwdatabase it said that wheel of fate needs a mold that drop from hercule trioc, which has about 296k HP.. it seems I'm not gonna make it.. b:sad


    Until now I only use my apothecary skills to make chaos powder ( 2000 HP over 30secs).. Now that I think about it, I realized that 50 hp per second for 10 mins is far better than 2000 hp over 30 secs.. b:shocked
    Then I'll start farming golden herbs.. b:thanks
  • Fulcanelli - Raging Tide
    Fulcanelli - Raging Tide Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    amingwati wrote: »
    Ok then I'll get both of them, but my affinity points are already added to 2MT, 2ER, 2WD, so I'll take holy path first.. I have 1 affinity point that accidentally added to FR, so I can't learn second wind for now..
    b:thanks



    I took my jones blessing today, and it really makes a big difference in my attack power.. b:victory


    Yes, I used earthflame to lure monster out from their group. I read it somewhere in this forum..


    when I check pwdatabase it said that wheel of fate needs a mold that drop from hercule trioc, which has about 296k HP.. it seems I'm not gonna make it.. b:sad


    Until now I only use my apothecary skills to make chaos powder ( 2000 HP over 30secs).. Now that I think about it, I realized that 50 hp per second for 10 mins is far better than 2000 hp over 30 secs.. b:shocked
    Then I'll start farming golden herbs.. b:thanks

    Killing hercule is not an easy way to get the wheel, I killed it with my cleric (level 60) and it took me 8 tries to finally get the drop... QQ
    there is another way: you have to do the divine emissary quests, you can exchange 5 divine orders for a wheel's mold (or the weapon already crafted I'm not sure) but I never done that quest so I don't know how much effort it takes.
    Or just buy the mold/weap from the auction house, on RT worths around 1 - 2 million coins, the prices varies alot and you can buy one already sharded and refined often at the same price that a clean one @_@

    Is not mandatory to have one, you can do it just fine with 2 or 3 star weaps with good adds, it depends on how much time you are going to spend from 43 to 60, the good thing is that you can always resell it when you get your TT60 and recover your coins.

    About the hp regen pots, they don't replace chaos powder, are good to use when grinding or questing, but remember that when you are fighting (and your ingame avatar turns on and off with a red light) your hp and mp regen are cut down to 1/4, chaos powder always give you the 2000 hp (it's really a life saver).

    EDIT: another friendly advice: hp and mp recovey pots are overwrited by cleric's buff celestial guardian seal so if you squad with a cleric wait for him/her to buff you up first and then use the pots to overwrite it (a maxed celestial guardian seal only gives 10 hp/mp per sec).

    There is an ingame "law" that says that if two skills/buffs/whatever have the same icon (the one that shows beneath your chi bar) they gonna overwrite each other, keep that in mind.
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ok, so just my 2c here:
    I'm really sorry to say this, and as much as it hurts, as this is my favorite class in the game, wizards are a second hand class.
    Everything they do, absolutely everything they do can be done better or at same level by another class. Not only this, but to get the max out of this class you need to have THE BEST gear and weapon, or you're just ****. Sure, you can do stuff with lesser gear/weapon, but the gain when you're maxed out (even for level) is so much that not thinking at the advantages is silly.
    I love this class and believe me when I say I understand it. Take my advice if you want and play a wizard for fun. Don't play/plan it for anything else, because endgame there are other classes that do what you can do with a wizard 10 times better while being 10 times cheaper.
    Don't waste your time with a wizard if you're serious about the game (meaning you want to make a mark endgame), you'll be sorry.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ok, so just my 2c here:
    I'm really sorry to say this, and as much as it hurts, as this is my favorite class in the game, wizards are a second hand class.
    Everything they do, absolutely everything they do can be done better or at same level by another class. Not only this, but to get the max out of this class you need to have THE BEST gear and weapon, or you're just ****. Sure, you can do stuff with lesser gear/weapon, but the gain when you're maxed out (even for level) is so much that not thinking at the advantages is silly.
    I love this class and believe me when I say I understand it. Take my advice if you want and play a wizard for fun. Don't play/plan it for anything else, because endgame there are other classes that do what you can do with a wizard 10 times better while being 10 times cheaper.
    Don't waste your time with a wizard if you're serious about the game (meaning you want to make a mark endgame), you'll be sorry.

    What about AoE DPH and our single target amps? I know what you are trying to say, and I agree to an extent.. but we do have at least a couple things still going for us.
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    amingwati wrote: »
    when I check pwdatabase it said that wheel of fate needs a mold that drop from hercule trioc, which has about 296k HP.. it seems I'm not gonna make it.. b:sad

    for almost any given mold, killing the boss that drops it is almost never the easiest way to get it. i must've seen hercule killed dozens of times, never once has he dropped a mold (ANY mold) while i've been in squad. i found my wheel of fate (my wizard uses it currently) on the auction house; both the mold and the ready-made weapon pop up there fairly often.
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Actually I can farm easily TT 1-1, 1-2,1-3,2-1,2-2. Solo of course. But it take loooong time. So I rather selling my nirvana keys. ;-)
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    What about AoE DPH and our single target amps? I know what you are trying to say, and I agree to an extent.. but we do have at least a couple things still going for us.

    yup, there still are a few , but those are such a niche skills that you need them like what...0.001% of time played?

    Casters nirvana changed somewhat things, but way too late. I can still farm shiat faster with sin/bm.
    Next R8/R9 recast that ppl are talk about in china might be the mag users revival...Who knows, but I don't expect shiat from the tards that run PWI.
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  • amingwati
    amingwati Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ok, so just my 2c here:
    I'm really sorry to say this, and as much as it hurts, as this is my favorite class in the game, wizards are a second hand class.
    Everything they do, absolutely everything they do can be done better or at same level by another class. Not only this, but to get the max out of this class you need to have THE BEST gear and weapon, or you're just ****. Sure, you can do stuff with lesser gear/weapon, but the gain when you're maxed out (even for level) is so much that not thinking at the advantages is silly.
    I love this class and believe me when I say I understand it. Take my advice if you want and play a wizard for fun. Don't play/plan it for anything else, because endgame there are other classes that do what you can do with a wizard 10 times better while being 10 times cheaper.
    Don't waste your time with a wizard if you're serious about the game (meaning you want to make a mark endgame), you'll be sorry.
    b:sad Is this true?
    At first, I didn't planned to make this wizard as my primary character too, but somehow I can't stop playing it.. The one that I planned to be my primary character (an assassin) is almost forgotten, and now my wizard has a far higher level than my sin..
    Indeed, playing wizard take a lot of time. Maybe you're right, I shouldn't be too serious with this wizard, because for now I don't have enough coins to maximize it's gear too,so it'll be just a mediocre wizard..
    for almost any given mold, killing the boss that drops it is almost never the easiest way to get it. i must've seen hercule killed dozens of times, never once has he dropped a mold (ANY mold) while i've been in squad. i found my wheel of fate (my wizard uses it currently) on the auction house; both the mold and the ready-made weapon pop up there fairly often.

    How much is it cost?

    b:cry I just made a lvl 44 magic sword, and I regret it very much.. I made ten of them, and none of them have 3 stars.. the best one is just 2 stars with one socket..
    The materials itself can be sold for over 1.5 mil ( I farmed it myself, and it take a looooot of time).. Like Concentrated Glue and Rough Fur, they are pretty expensive, and I farm 60 of them each to make these swords, all of them was ****, I just pick the best among the worst and decomposed the other nine..

    I feel so stupid for making this sword, I should have sold the materials for coins..
    1.5 mil on an ordinary 2 stars lvl 44 weapon seems very expensive.. It won't even recover half of the materials price if I sell it.. b:surrender

    I should have check the auction before.. b:cry
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Ok guys here some answers to the points mentioned:

    a) it was no great vid of kiting indeed and I messed up pretty badly with aggroing other mobs and I guess I have to redo it though it contains some things that acutally work out so not everything is bad.


    @Adroit:

    you are right when you say some of the charm ticks could be prevented by using normal HP pots but the thing is with barb buff on my max hp is high enough so that I can use another sutra morning dew to heal before my hp drops below half or without a charm and I am not used to pot before my hp is at half when I am uncharmed and I wanted to show a vid without using additional healing but morning dew.

    for the GS --> Gush

    did it because of the additional dmg from sage GS debuff and from my experience on BHD the difference between the slows is not that huge and GS slow seems to wear off before 6s are over

    use of crown of flame / pitfall

    used for the DOT because DOT prevents BHD from resetting

    hailstorm freeze --> hardly usefull since I am fighting BHD in range mode and the chance of getting hit during the cast time doesnt make up for a 33% freeze chance because even when frozen the mob can continue to attack you with the range attack so you not only have to freeze but also to make sure you are out of BHD attack range when frozen

    dropping more pyros

    definitely a good idea for the chi but I wanted to make sure the mob doesnt reset because I didnt want to start over recording. 1 time with 15fps already killed me xD

    greetz harm0wnie
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Ok guys here some answers to the points mentioned:

    a) it was no great vid of kiting indeed and I messed up pretty badly with aggroing other mobs and I guess I have to redo it though it contains some things that acutally work out so not everything is bad.
    ...

    It is good video.

    More, in this thread or at sticked threads absent any videos (except this one) as I know.

    At this video anyone can see (except blind people, they can listen about it using special program) how Wizard can kill tough elite mob or mini boss (some spells can't be used on boss) with self healing.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    how much any given mold costs on the AH depends on what the players selling them want to ask. it varies from time to time and from server to server; i got my ready-made wheel of fate for 800k, but that was long ago on heaven's tear.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    It is good video.

    More, in this thread or at sticked threads absent any videos (except this one) as I know.

    At this video anyone can see (except blind people, they can listen about it using special program) how Wizard can kill tough elite mob or mini boss (some spells can't be used on boss) with self healing.

    well but after all I am still not satisfied with that vid because I did way better on BHD before I just kept it because it has some moments which showed interesting effects that's why I kept it.

    And even if Adroit and me not always share the same opinion dont forget that he's an experienced wiz player and knows a lot about the class.

    But you are right that we are short of video footage when it comes to the wiz class. Most of the time there are PvP vids and even there are only a few. So maybe I will start a vid thread showing wiz skills and their special effects sage/demon. Unfortunately I am a bit busy with RL so this will take some time



    amingwati wrote:
    I just made a lvl 44 magic sword, and I regret it very much.. I made ten of them, and none of them have 3 stars.. the best one is just 2 stars with one socket..
    The materials itself can be sold for over 1.5 mil ( I farmed it myself, and it take a looooot of time).. Like Concentrated Glue and Rough Fur, they are pretty expensive, and I farm 60 of them each to make these swords, all of them was ****, I just pick the best among the worst and decomposed the other nine..

    I feel so stupid for making this sword, I should have sold the materials for coins..
    1.5 mil on an ordinary 2 stars lvl 44 weapon seems very expensive.. It won't even recover half of the materials price if I sell it..

    I should have check the auction before..
    Unfortunately all crafting jobs in PWI are only necessary to be able to craft molds and
    TT /Lunar or Nirvana gear since the normal items even if they turn out 3* are unlikely to
    have better stats than the gear form instances which comes like molds with fixed stats and
    a few variables ( like amount of sockets or 7-8 int ..). Nevertheless crafting weapons
    and armor helps for instance with a maxed crafting lvl you can buy yourself an uncrafted mold
    which is a lot cheaper than a crafted one and make it by yourself or you can get yourself alternative gear if you dont wont to bind/safety lock when you go PK. Also even if sometimes a crafted item is
    only as good as npc normal one or even less in case of armor because a res is missing there is awesome 3* gear that supports specific builds since you can get a stat more than once so lets say
    leggins with 2x pdef 3* can be better than some molds. The problem is since stats are random it is
    always a gamble and you should not try it. And after all be happy at least you got some crafting XP for your job ;-> Dont ask me how often I had to try to get 2* items for lvl 4 and lvl 6 crafting quests until I was done but in the end the feeling was way better than simply having bought the book

    greetz harm0wnie

    PS: if anyone on DW needs something crafted which I can do I will do it as long as you bring the mats
    Blacksmith 6 Tailor 6 Apo 6 Tailor 6 Rune 2
  • amingwati
    amingwati Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Hi.. I'm back, lvl 49 now.. b:pleased

    I already have Force of Will and Glacial Snare now. Thanks to ppl who killed those spiritual cultivation bosses for me, I can't make it without their help, Khewy even killed me in 1 shot.. I feel so weak.. -_-'

    Okay, now I'm going to ask a very noobs question. Now that I have a lot of skills to be used, I can't fit them into 1 bar of hotkey. I can expand my hotkey bar and put my other skills on it, but I have no clue to use it beside by clicking on the icons.. Is there any way to use them beside by clicking?
    Currently I used F1-F8 keys for battle skills like pyro, gush, etc.. and 1-9 for Flying, meditate, pots, and support skills.. but F1-F8 is just not enough for the battle skills..

    And, about a wizard, I've read some posts in this thread and another thread says that a wizard must wear a really good (expensive) gear in order to "shine"..
    How much coins needed if I'm about to buy a good end-game gears? I mean, not the greatest one, but something like 'above average' gears.. And I mean a PvE gears, not for PvP purpose..
    I know that prices will vary, but is there a rough estimate? like 50 mills or so? or above 100 mills?

    Ty.. b:thanks
  • Fulcanelli - Raging Tide
    Fulcanelli - Raging Tide Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    amingwati wrote: »
    Hi.. I'm back, lvl 49 now.. b:pleased

    I already have Force of Will and Glacial Snare now. Thanks to ppl who killed those spiritual cultivation bosses for me, I can't make it without their help, Khewy even killed me in 1 shot.. I feel so weak.. -_-'

    Okay, now I'm going to ask a very noobs question. Now that I have a lot of skills to be used, I can't fit them into 1 bar of hotkey. I can expand my hotkey bar and put my other skills on it, but I have no clue to use it beside by clicking on the icons.. Is there any way to use them beside by clicking?
    Currently I used F1-F8 keys for battle skills like pyro, gush, etc.. and 1-9 for Flying, meditate, pots, and support skills.. but F1-F8 is just not enough for the battle skills..

    And, about a wizard, I've read some posts in this thread and another thread says that a wizard must wear a really good (expensive) gear in order to "shine"..
    How much coins needed if I'm about to buy a good end-game gears? I mean, not the greatest one, but something like 'above average' gears.. And I mean a PvE gears, not for PvP purpose..
    I know that prices will vary, but is there a rough estimate? like 50 mills or so? or above 100 mills?

    Ty.. b:thanks

    - don't worry culti bosses are not meant to be soloed for any class, except the first little ones, you always gonna need help with cultis.

    - you can cycle trough the bars with the "V" on your keyboard, if I remember right you have a max of 3 rows (bars) so if you hit V once you get the "second row" on your hotkeys and to comeback to the first bar of skills you have to hit V two more times. It needs some practice, I don't get used to the damn thing yet.

    - about prices at endgame I don't have a clue b:surrender
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    amingwati wrote: »
    ...
    I already have Force of Will and Glacial Snare now. Thanks to ppl who killed those spiritual cultivation bosses for me, I can't make it without their help, Khewy even killed me in 1 shot.. I feel so weak.. -_-'
    ...
    Khewy is the strongest boss for Wizards.

    You had not enough physical defense to fight him.

    I can tank him since 60+ level as I remember.

    Almost all other bosses can be tanked by Wizard.
    amingwati wrote: »
    ...
    And, about a wizard, I've read some posts in this thread and another thread says that a wizard must wear a really good (expensive) gear in order to "shine"..
    How much coins needed if I'm about to buy a good end-game gears? I mean, not the greatest one, but something like 'above average' gears.. And I mean a PvE gears, not for PvP purpose..
    I know that prices will vary, but is there a rough estimate? like 50 mills or so? or above 100 mills?
    ...

    I think, that it is "little" more.

    Rank 8 cost (at least it was so) 72 gold.

    Some useful parts of equipment cost from 14,000,000 to 200,000,000 coins each.

    Refinement can cost even more than above (dependent from level of refinement and your "luck" - random value).

    Of course, you can buy cheap equipment, but it will be very hard for PvE style game.

    Edit:
    I have level 55 Wizard at Raging Tide server, so I can show how to tank some cultivation bosses at this level.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Toliman - Raging Tide
    Toliman - Raging Tide Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ...
    Edit:
    I have level 55 Wizard at Raging Tide server, so I can show how to tank some cultivation bosses at this level.

    Even 54 level.
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