Petition to move Open PK area to Cave of Sadistic Glee

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · September 2011

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Later than that. They were opened at least until early september, after they officially opened the first servers.

Ah, thank you. Do you happen to know why it was closed?

seaspray0 · September 2011

VenoMKII - Harshlands wrote: »

Mobs in sadistic have a half decent chance of landing the finishing blow on someone trying to kite when damn low on charm.

Not a good place.

low level players have a dmn near 100% chance of getting one shotted by people like you in the secret passage. Not a good place. But I forget, you are only thinking of yourself.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · September 2011

seaspray0 wrote: »

low level players have a dmn near 100% chance of getting one shotted by people like you in the secret passage. Not a good place. But I forget, you are only thinking of yourself.

That's actually a valid concern, you know. It could easily be fixed by modifying the aggro so that it didn't attack unless attacked. They also reset pretty easily even if they don't, literally just run down the hallway and they reset.

_Ghoul_ - Lost City · September 2011

halv decent is near 50% better then being 1 shooted so nope ur conclusion sucks.
and all those who wana pk in a PVE place with no risk to lose there sht aint comunity problem u now wana pk now go to lost city server why in hell do we even have a pvp server and pve server atherwise duh.

oO afraid ur a joke and dont wana come to lost city not my problem not pve players either
man up and shut down pvp in sp and come lost city all map is pvp enabled pvp in sp is for noobs anywaysb:bye

Asone - Raging Tide · September 2011

I agree this this topic completely.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide · September 2011

Pk in the Sp wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't a pk free for all. People not in pk mode and those under lvl 30 should not be able to be pked. Personally I have no problem with the devs bringing back PK in SP but it should only be for people who want to PK.

A new player doing FB29 for the first time isn't going to use the stones in Arch, half the time they don't know about them till someone else tells them. And them getting PKed by jerks 50-70 lvls above them is going to make PWE lose a lot of new players which it needs to keep the game alive cause old ones are leaving in droves because of stupid **** like this.

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary · September 2011

Why not make it so that under lvl 50 you can't be pk'ed in there and can't pk either yourself.
The only buisiness after lvl 50 you might have in there is help other ppl.
Besides some *******s people leave you alone if you fly over them or hug the walls without stopping (clearly not picking a fight or picking out a target)
me and my lvl 80 went down the hall where pk'ers were a couple of times. I was pk'ed twice out of like 10 times.

Mobs in cave of sadistic glee hit a lot harder. In case of a faction wanting to pk with eachother. (all lvls mixed from like 50 untill lvl 100+) the lower lvls will have trouble with the mobs. While they wouldn't have with the occasional spawning mob in secret passage.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · September 2011

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why not make it so that under lvl 50 you can't be pk'ed in there and can't pk either yourself.
The only buisiness after lvl 50 you might have in there is help other ppl.
Besides some *******s people leave you alone if you fly over them or hug the walls without stopping (clearly not picking a fight or picking out a target)
me and my lvl 80 went down the hall where pk'ers were a couple of times. I was pk'ed twice out of like 10 times.

Mobs in cave of sadistic glee hit a lot harder. In case of a faction wanting to pk with eachother. (all lvls mixed from like 50 untill lvl 100+) the lower lvls will have trouble with the mobs. While they wouldn't have with the occasional spawning mob in secret passage.

Silver frost is needed for people above level 50. And the mobs reset very quickly, they don't chase you down the hallway. They could also have their aggro reduced so that they didn't hit unless they were hit first. And despite some players being harassed there are plenty of people who may want to PK with other low levels. They shouldn't be excluded either. The best solution would move it to the arena, but since that may not be possible this is better than letting new players get harassed. Or telling new players something right in the user interface that is now an outright lie.

Edit:

Also I checked out the divine contract and it appears to be a white named one, not something that gives you a divine honor. While it would suck to lose 3-4 quests inside this instance, what's lost is far less in value than being able to get the cultivation done or being able to assist new players or losing out on a having a weapon in a timely manner or all the other things lost inside of SP.

buffnuts · September 2011

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why not make it so that under lvl 50 you can't be pk'ed in there and can't pk either yourself.
The only buisiness after lvl 50 you might have in there is help other ppl.
Besides some *******s people leave you alone if you fly over them or hug the walls without stopping (clearly not picking a fight or picking out a target)
me and my lvl 80 went down the hall where pk'ers were a couple of times. I was pk'ed twice out of like 10 times.

Mobs in cave of sadistic glee hit a lot harder. In case of a faction wanting to pk with eachother. (all lvls mixed from like 50 untill lvl 100+) the lower lvls will have trouble with the mobs. While they wouldn't have with the occasional spawning mob in secret passage.

Silver Frost is in Secret Passage. Lower levels need higher level help with the bosses in SP(Shade Eido and Dismal Shade). You are not a lowbie, a lowbie pk'ed will take longer to get back in there than you do, usually they have no mount and only base speed flier. Yes, depending on time you go into SP you can get things done(with alot of extra time, effort and charm tick), but not everyone has the same amount to play as you do. Also the free quest reward lowbie charms only give them 10-30K hp, is it fair they have to spend that so you can have some extra fun?

Most of the pvp'ers are above level 50 already. You could petition PWI like we are to make changes. If you're whole faction is there already can't a couple of the higher levels cover killing what mobs there are? And they might not have a problem killing a mob in SP, but the level 30's and 40's do! It's not just walk in and one or two shot everything for them. It takes time for them to kill each mob and usually 3 or more hits(depends on class, gear, build, etc...). I can one-shot an increased life mob in SP on almost every char I have, can a lowbie do the same? If without pk it takes you 5 to 10 minutes just to get to the spot you need, how much longer will it take you to if you're pk'ed twice. Now it'll be 15 or 30 minutes total to get where you need to go and you haven't even killed the mobs or boss you need for the quest yet.

I tried flying threw on my archer, works outside of the first room(i only tried the most common route to the qinzi dungeon), otherwise you still need to kill the demonfires to get out of the first room(at least the squishy classes will), they aggro when you fly low enough to go thru the doorways.

Also quests like the Crimson Pendant aren't 1 kill and you're done. Usually it's 20-30 minutes of killing just to get the drop, and unless you have a high level squad with at least a couple aps players Silver Frost takes quite awhile too.

JinseiMegami - Heavens Tear · September 2011

Let's keep PK on the PK Servers -.-

and if ppl REALLY wanna pk on pwe servers ... hell ... make a new area and stop messing up the good things that are already there....

Whoz_Nutz - Raging Tide · September 2011

If you want PKing on a PvE server, then move it to the cave of Sadists and out of SP. Then I can get my FB29, all the BHs there and additional quests done without being harrassed.

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver · September 2011

Whoz_Nutz - Raging Tide wrote: »

If you want PKing on a PvE server, then move it to the cave of Sadists and out of SP. Then I can get my FB29, all the BHs there and additional quests done without being harrassed.

You can use the tele stone to get into the Hall of deception, no need to go through the pk zone.

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary · September 2011

buffnuts wrote: »

Silver Frost is in Secret Passage. Lower levels need higher level help with the bosses in SP(Shade Eido and Dismal Shade). You are not a lowbie, a lowbie pk'ed will take longer to get back in there than you do, usually they have no mount and only base speed flier. Yes, depending on time you go into SP you can get things done(with alot of extra time, effort and charm tick), but not everyone has the same amount to play as you do. Also the free quest reward lowbie charms only give them 10-30K hp, is it fair they have to spend that so you can have some extra fun?

I also have lowbie chars and some friends have too. In comparison to most of the pk'ers there I'm also a lowbie. As I said earlier I managed to get by just fine. Just don't poke anyone and hug the walls to stay out of the aoe range. Use some speed up skills if needed even or fly.
A lot of pk'ers don't really see the fun in killing lvl 30 players who are there for quests.

Most of the pvp'ers are above level 50 already. You could petition PWI like we are to make changes. If you're whole faction is there already can't a couple of the higher levels cover killing what mobs there are? And they might not have a problem killing a mob in SP, but the level 30's and 40's do! It's not just walk in and one or two shot everything for them. It takes time for them to kill each mob and usually 3 or more hits(depends on class, gear, build, etc...). I can one-shot an increased life mob in SP on almost every char I have, can a lowbie do the same? If without pk it takes you 5 to 10 minutes just to get to the spot you need, how much longer will it take you to if you're pk'ed twice. Now it'll be 15 or 30 minutes total to get where you need to go and you haven't even killed the mobs or boss you need for the quest yet.

If a mob decides to agro one of our lvl 50 players in cave of sadistic glee, it will be a oneshot depending on what class. I can't recall ANY class I lvld that far(and that are mostly squishies) being oneshot by a mob in secret passage.
Also I wasn't talking about the lvl 30 and 40's but lvl 50+ ~__~ for lvl 50+ depending what mob it is it hardly tickles.
As I said earlier. I manage to go into SP just fine without getting pk'ed.

I tried flying threw on my archer, works outside of the first room(i only tried the most common route to the qinzi dungeon), otherwise you still need to kill the demonfires to get out of the first room(at least the squishy classes will), they aggro when you fly low enough to go thru the doorways.

I can't recall having trouble not killing mobs and just run trough on ANY char. My cleric, psychic, veno, sin and seeker got trough just fine if they use a pot every now and then.

Also quests like the Crimson Pendant aren't 1 kill and you're done. Usually it's 20-30 minutes of killing just to get the drop, and unless you have a high level squad with at least a couple aps players Silver Frost takes quite awhile too.

Most of the pk happenes at the first room. Silver frost can be a pain yes, I haven't tried doing that one yet. But in general it seems the pk'ers won't pk much lowbies.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Silver frost is needed for people above level 50. And the mobs reset very quickly, they don't chase you down the hallway. They could also have their aggro reduced so that they didn't hit unless they were hit first. And despite some players being harassed there are plenty of people who may want to PK with other low levels. They shouldn't be excluded either. The best solution would move it to the arena, but since that may not be possible this is better than letting new players get harassed. Or telling new players something right in the user interface that is now an outright lie.
Aoe attacks will still hit the mobs then. As for example seekers most of our skills that hit hard are aoe's.

Edit:

Also I checked out the divine contract and it appears to be a white named one, not something that gives you a divine honor. While it would suck to lose 3-4 quests inside this instance, what's lost is far less in value than being able to get the cultivation done or being able to assist new players or losing out on a having a weapon in a timely manner or all the other things lost inside of SP.

It's not that I don't agree secret passage is a meh location for this thing. However I think that sadistic glee would be a worse location because of the higher lvld mobs. You say lower lvls shouldn't be excluded either from pk, but that's exactly what you're doing if you move it to a higher lvl instance.
Lower lvls could do the same as I did with my faction if they want to pk. hug the walls and fly/run to a diff part without much mobs to pk there.

Asgardeus - Sanctuary · September 2011

Meh, don't agree. Cave of glee is soooo far from any useful city. And mobs in there will hand your butt to you too. lol Also quests there.

I just don't get what all this outrage is about. Yes, silver frost in SP. I went in multiple times yesterday, on my bm, like expected none pked me. But since he's obviously 90+ I expected that.
Later I went again twice on my lowbie seeker in level 40 armor. Ran in for BH, nothing happened. And there were some big pkers there at that time.
I just don't see how you can absolutely not get through. lol

And meh, it's not like you lose anything from dying there. Not even if you die by a mob. or maybe it's just no problem or me since I accepted that if I leave a sz, I could get pked.
Imo this thing gets way too overdone. It's not like you get pked 24/7 just upon setting foot in there ^.~

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · September 2011

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Most of the pk happenes at the first room. Silver frost can be a pain yes, I haven't tried doing that one yet. But in general it seems the pk'ers won't pk much lowbies.

It's not that I don't agree secret passage is a meh location for this thing. However I think that sadistic glee would be a worse location because of the higher lvld mobs. You say lower lvls shouldn't be excluded either from pk, but that's exactly what you're doing if you move it to a higher lvl instance.
Lower lvls could do the same as I did with my faction if they want to pk. hug the walls and fly/run to a diff part without much mobs to pk there.

The lower levels wouldn't have any quests in there and with the mobs non aggressive they could fly over the PKers and go to a spot where there aren't a ton of mobs. There are a lot of areas in Cave of Sadistic Glee It's not like if they ran up to a level 100 player they wouldn't be one shot too. The mobs reset when you run down the hall and if you know what your doing there is no reason to get hit by them. Don't believe there aren't mostly clear rooms? http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i40/ariesdragon123/PWI%20Screenshots/2011-09-1015-52-24.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i40/ariesdragon123/PWI%20Screenshots/2011-09-1015-42-43.jpg

Asgardeus - Sanctuary wrote: »

Meh, don't agree. Cave of glee is soooo far from any useful city. And mobs in there will hand your butt to you too. lol Also quests there.

I just don't get what all this outrage is about. Yes, silver frost in SP. I went in multiple times yesterday, on my bm, like expected none pked me. But since he's obviously 90+ I expected that.
Later I went again twice on my lowbie seeker in level 40 armor. Ran in for BH, nothing happened. And there were some big pkers there at that time.
I just don't see how you can absolutely not get through. lol

And meh, it's not like you lose anything from dying there. Not even if you die by a mob. or maybe it's just no problem or me since I accepted that if I leave a sz, I could get pked.
Imo this thing gets way too overdone. It's not like you get pked 24/7 just upon setting foot in there ^.~

Unlike Orchid Temple, Immolation camp has as banker, and merchants. And it's pretty close to 1k streams so close in fact that the teleport master links directly to it. The outrage is that even though you may have had a easier time, many people have not. I went there on my assassin just to check it out, and was PKed the second I stepped a toe out of safe zone. There was also an assassin there that was actually camping it, pretending to be afk when the high levels were PKing. Since those three weren't jerks, they didn't kill him. Then when a low level asked what was going and they tried to explain it to her while she tried to do the quest in that first room, he killed her. He then ran to safe zone, saw me and started circling me. I moved to the side, just a tad out of safe zone and he killed me. I came back and he'd killed her again. He killed her twice more before she just gave up. I doubt that player is coming back. I also was killed twice on my veno before I just decided to come back later, and and once on seeker before a higher level cleric and her friend decided to help me get through. Since I was only testing, I felt bad and ran all the way into the room with qingzi. b:chuckle Surpsingly enough (sarcasm) I haven't been killed once in their on my cleric. Surprise surprise? I think not.

And I'm so uploading a video demonstrating what I mean about the resetting for people who haven't been on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRlAaxgEDCc Sorry its so laggy. b:surrender Yay for having my computer back. \(^^)/

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · September 2011

bump for justice

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver · September 2011

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

bump for justice

This ^

mcfreakie · September 2011

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Unlike Orchid Temple, Immolation camp has as banker, and merchants. And it's pretty close to 1k streams so close in fact that the teleport master links directly to it. The outrage is that even though you may have had a easier time, many people have not. I went there on my assassin just to check it out, and was PKed the second I stepped a toe out of safe zone. There was also an assassin there that was actually camping it, pretending to be afk when the high levels were PKing. Since those three weren't jerks, they didn't kill him. Then when a low level asked what was going and they tried to explain it to her while she tried to do the quest in that first room, he killed her. He then ran to safe zone, saw me and started circling me. I moved to the side, just a tad out of safe zone and he killed me. I came back and he'd killed her again. He killed her twice more before she just gave up. I doubt that player is coming back. I also was killed twice on my veno before I just decided to come back later, and and once on seeker before a higher level cleric and her friend decided to help me get through. Since I was only testing, I felt bad and ran all the way into the room with qingzi. b:chuckle Surpsingly enough (sarcasm) I haven't been killed once in their on my cleric. Surprise surprise? I think not.

The only issue I can see of changing this to Glee is those players from 30-80 who I think were the target audience for this botched experiment still dont have a place to freely try PVP. The ONLY solution which should have happened FIRST was to roll out an completely new instance (copied or not) complete with different level ranges which does NOT interfere with other players game play. The programmer/developer who didnt think a group of level 100+ would go camp SP just to harass low levels is pretty much a FAILURE at their job. As it stands now how much enjoyment/ introduction to PVP does a group of level 30-50 have in SP to actually experience PVP when the place is camped out by GROUP of level 100+ players? Any excuse in favor of this blunder saying it was to INTRODUCE anyone to PVP needs their head removed from their bum because this entire thing is FUBR.

__Akantos__ - Sanctuary · September 2011

Great idea!
Give better drops to the bosses too so if you go to kill them its both pve and pvp... complicated

alot of qq on world chat about lost drops though xD
PK in SP is a bad idea, only because of it being a low level instance

NyanType - Archosaur · September 2011

Moving it to Sadistic Glee is a good option but, I also think that it's still going to infringe on the ppl there who just want to get some of their quests done. We need a place where ppl dont have to worry about being pk'd when they are just trying to do quests. People shouldnt be forced into pk mode. It should be a choice. Voluntary. Im getting really sick of being killed or having my friends killed when they are just trying to complete quests. Make an instance for them if that is what u need to do, but pls move the blue name pk out of SP.

Kitamura - Lost City · September 2011

Why do Carebears bother so much about PK in Secret Passage?
Cant you guys find another place to make your Fashion Parades?

tigreskat1 · September 2011

You know I am a 12 yr Vet of EverQuest, and there if you choose to PK they have an arena, where anyone can walk in and PK. It is sad when the high level PK'ers on Sanctuary are telling low levels to HIRE a body guard just to step into SP so they can finish there quest.

Me, I, like doing quest. I can do most of them alone and the thought of having to worry if one of my toons are going to get smacked because of some idiot Pk'er just ruins the game for me. In a week of being on the game, yes I am new here. I have spent well over $400 in USD.

I do enjoy it except for the PK **** in SP and all the complaints on WC. In one day I seen at least 5 people yelling they got killed by a PK when their names are blue. Glitch or PWI just don't care?

Either way, PK needs to be moved to some place where low level quest are not included and those who choose NOT to PK need to be protected! For me this will be a deciding factor of staying on PWI or returning to EQ

kelmore · September 2011

Just give them the arena, its what it was created for in the first place. moving it to some other area (other then there) will just cause this same problem again, but on a differant scale. I dont care what level you are 13 ,33, 68, 72, 99,105 etc...NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO PVP. And theres a LOT of us that WANT (yes want) to do ALL the quests, and not be bothered while doing so, regardless of how mediocre they may be or un-needed. its as simple as that. And by moving it to another cave, your just moving the problem, not creating a solution.

Coral_blades - Dreamweaver · September 2011

ok id rather yall just make a whole new instance, leav hte questing instances ALONE!!! stop trying 2 stick pvp free for all in a current instance n make sumthing like the arena, but 24/7 pk mode plz.... and make it so theres no limited number of ppl allowed in it... b:coldb:irritated

Coral_blades - Dreamweaver · September 2011

im a fan of pk myself but this is just insane putting pvp in a quest area 4 blue names 2 die, its unfair for them, because those brainless idiots kill every1 in sight cuz they dont care... if u want a free pk area besides turning on pk n killing ppl that r in pvp themselves make a new instance...

Sheshka - Raging Tide · September 2011

Personally, I chose to play on a PVE server to avoid this kind of gaming experience. I do not want to be forced to keep an eye out for PKs anywhere on a server that should not support open PK to begin with. If they absolutely must have a PK enabled affront to the concept of PVE then the Cave of Sadistic Glee (hmm is it just me is that exactly what PK experience while hunting blue names 1/10 of their own level?) is the right place for it.

Kolydescope - Heavens Tear · September 2011

I personally think it's horrible for the new players to PW altogether. Not only can't they get their level 30+ quests done in the Secret Passage, but an entire guild has to come in to make sure 1 player gets their quest.

Especially when you have idiot boutique players like PAYUPSUCKA, and JUGGALO, just pk'ing everyone that happens to walk on by regardless of level. Feel free to ban them if you like, they are of no use to this game in the first place. Neither one is helpful, or care about others in the game, but themselves.

I know as an officer of Progress we have seen new players to the game quit playing altogether because of Secret Passage, and some of them are thinking of taking legal action against PWI as they spent real money buying their flyers, and mounts.

Well good luck with this PW, and again, I think it comes as a total disadvantage to all brand new players who are trying out the game for the first time. Way to go bright ones.

Aardrani - Raging Tide · September 2011

I chose a PVE existence for a reason. I do not want to deal with PK. That said, I don't care where the PK instance is...so long as I never ever have to go there. How hard can that be?

If I wanted to mug people, I'd go back to being in a gang.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · September 2011

Sheshka - Raging Tide wrote: »

Personally, I chose to play on a PVE server to avoid this kind of gaming experience. I do not want to be forced to keep an eye out for PKs anywhere on a server that should not support open PK to begin with. If they absolutely must have a PK enabled affront to the concept of PVE then the Cave of Sadistic Glee (hmm is it just me is that exactly what PK experience while hunting blue names 1/10 of their own level?) is the right place for it.

I agree 100%

wreckbot2 · September 2011

Sadistic Glee is a good place to put pk but why not just open up an arena much like the theater of blood minus the event and prizes?
Glee is just a lot of tight corridors not much open space.

Petition to move Open PK area to Cave of Sadistic Glee

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