A question geared towards the Demons

dps / dph isnt a concern regardless of culti. We are a damage per hit class.

But, with that being said, here's a thought.

Apparently demons attack faster with and without sparking because of their reduced channeling skills.. But when you are in pvp and you want to kill someone before their charm ticks again most of the time you are gonna want to sutra depending on the situation. Since sutra costs 2 spark guess which culti isn't gonna have problems casting sutra when they need to, sage. (most of the time)

So sage in theory can be better at dps when it needs to be after ticking someone to finish the fight, or at least more reliable.

tbh I don't feel cloud eruption justifies not having the sage chi skill. Every time I have to use eruption, I feel bad because I know it could have been used for a different genie skill, and it sucks because it ties up your affinities and takes a skill spot.

Also, cloud eruption on a sage wizard is just ridiculous.

And somebody already answered your dps vs dph question. We're a dph class. Our only faster channeling skill is pyrogram, but pyrogram being .8sec faster is pretty much a nonfactor imo.
Unless you meant when triple sparking? In which case demon wins in dps hands down, but if your opponent is letting you triple spark them in pvp, then sage will do fine too. So it'd only really make your dps faster in PvE, which I would think you don't care about considering your server.
Also there is our mini sutra. Use one spark and channelling becomes idon'trememberhowmuch faster, which is usuable in PvP and therefore would make your pvp dps much higher than a sage wizzy.

sage advantage extends to more than just "hoping bids procs."

i can't stress enough how dry you will run on chi in any sort of prolonged fight, especially group vs group and especially against players who aren't just 1-hits. forget Master Li's and Pyro, even the half-cost on bt and ms is huge. and yes, reliance on cloud eruption (or teas) will severely limit what you can do with your genie DEX-wise (or with other apothecaries).

it is easy enough to find the many, many upsides of going sage elsewhere on the forums, so i'm not going to reconstruct them all in yet another thread, but i want to make sure sage isn't dismissed as just being "lol bids proc." that's only a small fraction of the reasons you shouldn't go demon.

I'm probably gonna start a flame war here, but the lack of chi for me is nothing than a minor inconvenience. Since I know chi gain is less, I try and play my wiz to require less. It's annoying to have to use CE, or not be able to use an Ulti whenever I want, but I deal. I know I'm only 92 so I'm just at the tip of the demon iceberg (or fireberg?? since I'm hell), so take things with a grain of salt.

I really find the extra control skills extremely helpful for survivability (haven't gotten Demon Stone Barrier yet, so I make no comment). I've been saved a few times in TW by my hailstorm proc. When I see a BM coming, I slow with gush (assuming he's not TOO close), hailstorm and kite. (With the Faction I'm normally TW'ing against, I'm up against R8/9/Nirv, so I have problems taking people down with my +4 Aquadash Q_Q). Another thing that is good, especially about hailstorm, in TW is freezing where you think an Ulti might be better. In my TW squad there are normally a few higher level sage wizards. So, casting hailstorm before they get their BIDS out allows me to delay Cata-barbs and other melee's so they can't run away from BIDS (or run to kill the other wiz).

For more info about Demons in TW, see here: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=669902&highlight=Demon Some info may be outdated since it's from a year ago (so no necro XD).

As far as 1v1 PvP, I can't tell you much since I don't do it yet. And in PvE, we're useless, demon or sage, pretty much no one wants us b:cry

And Disclaimer number 2: I'm only level 92, so I don't know everything yet XD. These are just my overall impressions from what I've experienced so far.

I just love demon quaff and SR. Free sutra chance every proc and a 1 spark sutra replica seems oh so fun. Getting the gear to build one right would be a pain though and anythign less than full JOSD rank 9 seems to be sin food these days.

MSing an archer as they run in to stun is also hilarious. Hey wheres your range advantage now pew pew tranny?

Sage does benifit a lot more from rank 9 so its the default endgame faceroll path. Not a lot of wizzies regret going it.

Seriously though unless you just really love the class you'll reroll a tideborn eventually anyways so just play what you find amuseing. Either you'll ahve fun with it or ragequit (you would do so anyways) and make a fish.

Tsuyoginos - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What makes you think that's WHY I went Demon? And also, until I'm good to kill **** myself, I make others do it b:laugh

You listed it as a plus. Obviously it wouldn't be the only reason but ijs that even mentioning it is ludicrous since it's such a non factor in the grand scheme of cultivation choice.

And don't sell yourself short in terms of damage. Tbh our ultimates are the great equalizers in terms of level and gear. A bids crit is going to hurt anyone unless they're r9.

Fresh_Corpse - Sanctuary wrote: »

(unless you have a +10 tt 99 with icebourns)

(who has +10 tt99 anymore?)

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

You listed it as a plus. Obviously it wouldn't be the only reason but ijs that even mentioning it is ludicrous since it's such a non factor in the grand scheme of cultivation choice.

And don't sell yourself short in terms of damage. Tbh our ultimates are the great equalizers in terms of level and gear. A bids crit is going to hurt anyone unless they're r9.

Fine, let me rephrase. Instead of freezing your opponents so others can bids them.

Sutra->Hailstorm->Bids...if you have Demon BIDS and it procs-->go do something else with your 2 sparks depending on the situation.

Yay, I'm almost starting got think like a wizard. Took 2.5 years b:shutup
/troll

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

with iceborns? That would be BLOODMYSTIC b:laugh

Yes, I know. All the skilled wizards up grade their weapon immediately so they can show how pro they are.

And as I said, I had that weapon well before the rank sale. The fact that I continued to use it rather than trying to continually out gear my competition (or qq about the rank sale and say I was quitting this game only to still be here almost a year later)? I don't have any problem admitting to that.