Endgame Fists
Okay, so my archer is now lvl 100 and I have the usual 5 aps setup with gorenox fists, TT99 lionhear trinkets, TT99 boots and wrists, rep chest and legs and using the rep bow for TW.
Now, my question is for endgame, do I just stay with the gorenox for doing stuff like nirvy or would the TT100 Striking Dragon fists be a good investment? I've seen them and the Deicides and starting to wonder if I'm going to take my fists up to +10, what do I use? Just stick with GV or go to the TT100 or Deicides? I'm not sure I really want to shell out for nirvy fists, to be honest, so those are kind of the three I'm considering.
What say you pro archers?
Now, my question is for endgame, do I just stay with the gorenox for doing stuff like nirvy or would the TT100 Striking Dragon fists be a good investment? I've seen them and the Deicides and starting to wonder if I'm going to take my fists up to +10, what do I use? Just stick with GV or go to the TT100 or Deicides? I'm not sure I really want to shell out for nirvy fists, to be honest, so those are kind of the three I'm considering.
What say you pro archers?
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Get Cube fists.
Someone in kakumau made a spreadsheet detailing the dps differences between GV and Deicides at +0, +10, with a Garnet gem +0, and garnet gem +10. GV is so close to Deicides in DPS that it's not really worth getting Deicides unless they get you to a 5.0 base aps, where GV would leave you at 4.0 base, and even then... This was considering the proc.
Then consider that Deicides are 60m~ish for a crappy 1 socket, low refine, flawless garnet set, and you can get a 2 socket, dual garnet gem, +6 or so set of GV's for 20-25m. (Prices from Sanct, YMMV).
If you want an increase in DPS with fists and have some str to burn, then get Cube fists. They have the Berserk proc, so they will give you an aps boost, but they require 150 Str. They're Lunar fists. I saw a 2 socket +4 set in AH on Sanctuary for 40m.
I'll play with PWCalc in a bit and see how Cubes stack against Striking Dragon in terms of base damage.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Cube fists look decent, but they don't have -int, so switching to those drops me to 4 aps. I don't think the base damage makes up for the loss in aps.0
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Cube fists look decent, but they don't have -int, so switching to those drops me to 4 aps. I don't think the base damage makes up for the loss in aps.
Do you need -0.05int for 5.0? Why not get a cape if you don't have one?
I'm aiming for 5.0 base, so GV's for me.
Edit: And come to think of it, the Berserk proc will probably overwrite your speed boost from Demon Spark... Hmmm.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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I have the cloak, and that gets me to 5 aps. I'd need a -int tome or nirvy legs to get rid of the -5 int from gorenox and that's a bit too pricey right now.0
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I have the cloak, and that gets me to 5 aps. I'd need a -int tome or nirvy legs to get rid of the -5 int from gorenox and that's a bit too pricey right now.
I'd suggest further refining your GV then. Cheaper and... More bang for the buck. Plus you can retain some Dex for bow.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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I dont really like cube fists since they are kinda dangerous for you,(because proc and also lacking heal of GV) and i'd say to go with GV since they have damage about same as deicide.It's same way that im going for my archer and im going to +10 them soon.0
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Night$aber - Dreamweaver wrote: »I dont really like cube fists since they are kinda dangerous for you,(because proc and also lacking heal of GV) and i'd say to go with GV since they have damage about same as deicide.It's same way that im going for my archer and im going to +10 them soon.
I'm getting Cubes for my BM. But, if Berserk procs and you don't have aggro, you're probably gonna get aggro. Would be a nice way to get more DPS in a 4.0/5.0 squad though without having to worry about Zerking Off.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »I'm getting Cubes for my BM. But, if Berserk procs and you don't have aggro, you're probably gonna get aggro. Would be a nice way to get more DPS in a 4.0/5.0 squad though without having to worry about Zerking Off.
Yeah but it's not sure that it procs when you want and because of lack of interval u may have 4 aps atleast for a few seconds instead of 5 and apart from that is there such a big difference between berserk's damage increase proc vs revenge (GV's) one?Also berserk increases damage u get which is not what we want as a non-bp class.That's my opinion atleast b:victory0 -
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Night$aber - Dreamweaver wrote: »Yeah but it's not sure that it procs when you want and because of lack of interval u may have 4 aps atleast for a few seconds instead of 5 and apart from that is there such a big difference between berserk's damage increase proc vs revenge (GV's) one?Also berserk increases damage u get which is not what we want as a non-bp class.That's my opinion atleast b:victory
Berserk on Cube does three things: Increases your APS, increases your DPS (adds another 'barb buff' that stacks with spark and barb buff), and increases your damage taken. It's basically like Frenzy genie skill.
Revenge on GV does two thing: it heals you for 5% of your overall HP and adds that stackable buff that shares the barb buff icon.
Base WEAPON damage for GV's is 511-565. +12 refine is +718 (from PWDatabase). GV's are G12.
Base weapon damage for Cube is 556-615. +12 refine is +787 (from PWDatabase) Cube is a G13 fist.
GV requires 135 STR to equip, Cube requires 150 STR to equip.
So, really, it comes down to what you want. If you can get to 5.0 sparked either way, or sparking doesn't give you a +APS buff, then seriously, I'd go with Cube if you want the most DPS possible and are planning on refining to +10 or more.
The Revenge proc for GV's would make them worth hanging on to for tanking or soloing stuff that melees, and Cube for something like Nirvana, where you really want the most DPS you can get, and aggro is Random.
Personally, I'm aiming for both, but GV's come first if I can find a pair I like, and my skill clip takes priority over that.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Berserk on Cube does three things: Increases your APS, increases your DPS (adds another 'barb buff' that stacks with spark and barb buff), and increases your damage taken. It's basically like Frenzy genie skill.
Revenge on GV does two thing: it heals you for 5% of your overall HP and adds that stackable buff that shares the barb buff icon.
Base WEAPON damage for GV's is 511-565. +12 refine is +718 (from PWDatabase). GV's are G12.
Base weapon damage for Cube is 556-615. +12 refine is +787 (from PWDatabase) Cube is a G13 fist.
GV requires 135 STR to equip, Cube requires 150 STR to equip.
So, really, it comes down to what you want. If you can get to 5.0 sparked either way, or sparking doesn't give you a +APS buff, then seriously, I'd go with Cube if you want the most DPS possible and are planning on refining to +10 or more.
The Revenge proc for GV's would make them worth hanging on to for tanking or soloing stuff that melees, and Cube for something like Nirvana, where you really want the most DPS you can get, and aggro is Random.
Personally, I'm aiming for both, but GV's come first if I can find a pair I like, and my skill clip takes priority over that.
I agree with 90% of your post since it may have higher damage and you can spark only after you get the atk buff activated therefore purifying berserk amplify damage on you but GV's revenge attack buff stacks with barb and i checked by myself.With spark i had 3 barb SoT icons on my char.b:victory0 -
Night$aber - Dreamweaver wrote: »I agree with 90% of your post since it may have higher damage and you can spark only after you get the atk buff activated therefore purifying berserk amplify damage on you but GV's revenge attack buff stacks with barb and i checked by myself.With spark i had 3 barb SoT icons on my char.b:victory
Yeah, the Gloom proc from Soulsmasher is the same. The 'arm' icon for the barb buff, spark, revenge proc, and gloom's proc all stack. If you have a Soulsmasher and a GV, you could stack 4 of these (with a spark too). Sparks will cancel eachother's buff out though, wanted those to stack.
It's also possible that if you have a 4.0 base APS, the Revenge proc from Cube will bump you to 5.0 anyway, so buff overwriting wouldn't matter anyway. I, on the other hand, will be using it on a Sage Archer, if I do end up using Cube fists, so the proc will only have to worry about stackign with itself. But, I don't know if I want that much str, so... I might just get it for a BM or FistBarb.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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I switched from GV to Deicides because they allowed me to drop Lionheart neck and use a much better Cube phys def neck and still be at 5 aps without a tome. I do have nyrvy pants right now, but Lionheart belt I use right now I could drop for a R9 belt in the future, and if I will be able to afford a -int tome, than I could use R9 pants, wrists and boots, plus a pendant, which will give me R9 bonuses and 5 apsb:victory.
Yeah, I got +10 Deicides with a gem for about 125M0 -
I'll wind up going the deicide route simply because my bm already has a +10 2 socket set and i would need the str to use his forests wisdom anywho.
If you want the best damage output on fists as an archer...cube or g 15 berserker. If you want something to do 99 key runs with just go GV.
Only reason I see for deicides is if you have a bm/barb to share em.I give up on beign a blademaster. Gonna go wave my tranny **** around and pew pew.0 -
Fresh_Corpse - Sanctuary wrote: »I'll wind up going the deicide route simply because my bm already has a +10 2 socket set and i would need the str to use his forests wisdom anywho.
If you want the best damage output on fists as an archer...cube or g 15 berserker. If you want something to do 99 key runs with just go GV.
Only reason I see for deicides is if you have a bm/barb to share em.
Why are you gonna farm on an archer if you have the BM? o.o0 -
Deicides arent that bad
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_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »Why are you gonna farm on an archer if you have the BM? o.o
not really planning to but I already have the str from useing the helm (not bothering getting another endgame hat unless I get thuper bored, the 2% crit loss does make me sadface though) So may as well use em.I give up on beign a blademaster. Gonna go wave my tranny **** around and pew pew.0 -
Ok I am a relatively decked out archer. I use GV fists on my archer not so much for the dmg, but mainly for the heal proc.
When ur 5.0, and if u have decent defense/hp, that proc is enough to let me solo alot of bosses without my charm ticking between demon spark heal and hp food. I can also tank nirvana bosses without a cleric when i pull aggro with the help of a charm.
Finally, id say the best advantage is well we are archers, we are meant to use bows, so with the lower Str req, u can pull more dex which helps with ur bow usage and if you gear urself right, u can have awsome dex. For example, i use a rank 9 bow and with 135 green (GV str req) i have 490 dex at lvl 102.G_tar_God ~ 104
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G_tar_God - Dreamweaver wrote: »When ur 5.0, and if u have decent defense/hp, that proc is enough to let me solo alot of bosses without my charm ticking between demon spark heal and hp food. I can also tank nirvana bosses without a cleric when i pull aggro with the help of a charm.
I think you would also be able to do that with sage spark and decides.
Mind you, I am talking about easy bosses (like Peachtree or Hellfire) and not hard bosses (like Colluseast or Primal Fear).0 -
Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »I think you would also be able to do that with sage spark and decides.
Mind you, I am talking about easy bosses (like Peachtree or Hellfire) and not hard bosses (like Colluseast or Primal Fear).
Ummmm, NO.
Sage Spark is great, but not anywhere near that awesome. the Damage Reduction is only 25%. If you have Bloodpaint, it makes stuff so easy it's silly, but without Bloodpaint, your HP will still be dropping at an alarming rate without GV procs/Bloodpaint. That is, unless you can kill whatever it is with 5.0 base and HP food anyway and no GV...
However, this is why I'm going Sage on my Sin. Sage BP, 2.86, 3.33, or 4.0, and i should be able to pull enough from bloodpaint to solo stuff with sage spark that would be really hard without that damage reduction and sage BP.
Really, seriously, stick with the GV's. If you want a DPS boost, get a 2 socket GV, and refine it to +10. It'll still end up being cheaper in the long run than getting a 1 socket Deicide and +10'ing it.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Ummmm, NO.
Sage Spark is great, but not anywhere near that awesome. the Damage Reduction is only 25%. If you have Bloodpaint, it makes stuff so easy it's silly, but without Bloodpaint, your HP will still be dropping at an alarming rate without GV procs/Bloodpaint. That is, unless you can kill whatever it is with 5.0 base and HP food anyway and no GV...
However, this is why I'm going Sage on my Sin. Sage BP, 2.86, 3.33, or 4.0, and i should be able to pull enough from bloodpaint to solo stuff with sage spark that would be really hard without that damage reduction and sage BP.
Really, seriously, stick with the GV's. If you want a DPS boost, get a 2 socket GV, and refine it to +10. It'll still end up being cheaper in the long run than getting a 1 socket Deicide and +10'ing it.
Or how about ditch the GV and the sage and get deicides and demon spark which allows you to wear far superior gear and still be 4-5.0? :O0 -
_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »Or how about ditch the GV and the sage and get deicides and demon spark which allows you to wear far superior gear and still be 4-5.0? :O
The question was about sage and Deicides.
Those two most likely aren't gonna go together.
And... There's more to life than APS and punching stuff.
I'll eventually be restatting my Sage Archer for as much freaking Dex as I can, in fact if I can get a +45 or +55 str tome, and restat down to 3 vit and 3 magic, I'll only need 5 base str for a possible build I have in mind.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »The question was about sage and Deicides.
Those two most likely aren't gonna go together.
And... There's more to life than APS and punching stuff.
I'll eventually be restatting my Sage Archer for as much freaking Dex as I can, in fact if I can get a +45 or +55 str tome, and restat down to 3 vit and 3 magic, I'll only need 5 base str for a possible build I have in mind.
Wut...OR you could get love up and down for the same price, get mabey 10 points less in stat adds, -.05 int and 1% crit
On a side note GV's proc 10% of the time so 15 seconds/2 x 5% = 37.5% of your max hp healed.
bosses attack at a .5 a second speed last i checked so if the boss hitting 7 times would deal 1.5x your max hp then sage spark would give a better heal, oddly that works about perfectly with a charm.
On another side note who the hell does primal fear with fists on an archer?I give up on beign a blademaster. Gonna go wave my tranny **** around and pew pew.0 -
Fresh_Corpse - Sanctuary wrote: »On another side note who the hell does primal fear with fists on an archer?
Clearly, Fleuri does :<Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
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Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »Clearly, Fleuri does :<
You mean in one of his scenarios... Its more or less going to be Fleuri drops his bow and picks up a pair of fists before sprinting toward the boss. Meanwhile the five venos in his squad all began scrambling with lending hand, myriad rainbow, cruse/amp/armor break. Little did the boss know a separate squad of six sage archers all triple spark from not far away and start to spam dot attacks while wielding xbows. Soon after an additional squad of six sins all triple start and starts to aps away. I mean come on... how can the boss not die in that scenario.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I mean come on... how can the boss not die in that scenario.
Boss uses an ironguard and then force logs.0 -
Boss uses an ironguard and then force logs.
****, we're screwed. No veno harem can help against that kind of strategy!Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Ummmm, NO.
Sage Spark is great, but not anywhere near that awesome. the Damage Reduction is only 25%.
I do not understand the point you are trying to make.
I was speaking from personal experience, and if I can do it I imagine others can. A typical BH squad has been (for example), myself, three barbarians, a veno and a blademaster. And sometimes my charm will tick but usually not. But, of course, part of my charm not ticking has been that other people do their part. If I was soloing I am sure my charm would tick. But I do not think that soloing those bosses is a reasonable scenario, not with my gear.
That said, I do not fight Primal with claws. I only fight the easy bosses with claws.
And, I think I am going to ignore Kiyoshi until he can get his facts straight.0 -
*Gasp* Fleuri giving Kiyoshi the silent treatment!
Pretty funny story by Kiyoshi though! I hope Fleuri now realizes that it no longer matters who she actually is or can do in-game, as far as we're concerned, she will forever be immortalized as the TT99+5 wielding Sage archer with a harem of venos under her command!
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Are we role playing again?
I take out my robe and wizard hat.And, I think I am going to ignore Kiyoshi until he can get his facts straight.
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