I am a fail.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Stupid Vit Cleric



Supid Vit Cleric



Stupid Vit Cleric


... Just teasing. Put it this way, if you had a DD in your squad who had awesome damage output but kept dieing from the slightest aoe or 1 hit as soon as the got aggro and the person spent more time dead then they spent alive DDing would you listen to their arguments that statting for more damage was better than statting to survive? No, because you need to stay alive to contribute to the group.

On the other hand, if a person had tons of survivabilty but joined the squad as a dd and had statted so much into vitality that their damage was ****, you would call them a leach.

This is kind of how people view clerics. People who have way more survivability than they need (how much damage does a cleric really take?) but have weak heals. Tanks protect you and expect you to protect them. If you spent so many points into being able to protect yourself then you lower your ability to protect the tank.

I've ranted on this before since I am on the side of 3 vitality is plenty, so I'll just hit the points.

-High magic means mobs die quicker and deals less damage to you.
-High magic means your self heals are stronger.
-Stronger heals mean you can heal yourself while the tank is stacked with previous heals.
-You have 3 shields and an arsenal of control skills to makeup for low hp.
-You have a single weapon to refine for stronger heals. You have 6 armor pieces and 4 ornament peices to refine for stronger defenses and more hp.
-If you don't need to use skills or know how to play your class to survive because you have so much vitality, then vitality becomes a crutch.
-Vitality for survivability means very little when you can't keep a tank alive to be your meat shield.


Everything above is aimed at PvE though. For PvP vitality on a cleric isn't a bad idea.

So I'd recommend scaling back your vitality (lets say 50? Then lategame scale it back again). It'll make a large difference in your heals and I bet you survive better with stronger heals then with weak heals and more hp.

When asking if you fail because of the amount of vit you have you should add your weapon since vit clerics need a highly refined weapon to cover up their statting choice. I also noticed you have 100 vit and still shard citrines. I'd recommend garnets so you get more out of the hp you already have. I also don't recommend magic ornies for clerics.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The cleric forum needs a sticky with this.

ridiculouss wrote: »

Equips:
Warsoul of Heaven x2 immac cit, +2 refine

Wings of Cloudcharger x4 immac cit, +2 refine

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wow tweakz, looks like you're placing your stamp of fail all over the forums now when people give a forewarning of your posts. b:laugh

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

sry, thats fail

StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I died twice in frost because it was my fault, stood on explosive trap while chatting XD and dropping a lvl 3(yes lvl 3) tempest after everybody else had done their aoes only to find out the vit builds they had meant my **** ulti was godly and I got pwned (multi cleric fail squads ftw).
The other 20 or so times I died was because of morons. Aoeing on Big room boss (multiple times in a row whilst apparently being immune to reading omfg messages), agroing every bishop they can lay their hands on and pulling them at you etc etc
The list is endless really especially before lvl 80 (used frost becuase you guys can relate and you noobs know why), saying a cleric spends more time dead is true, most of the time its other ppls fault and restating vit only goes to further create more cleric killing morons than we already have. The truth is it doesn't matter how low your vit stat in pve is because if you die on a quest or fb or bh its because you either suck, or your team sucks.
Whilst you can stat to negate your own retardation the lengths your squad will go to to ensure your misery is simply beyond comprehension.

So my belief is this:
1- Vit will save you if you are a ****** and require it.
2- Vit will not save you from morons even if you are a barb and have a moron cleric

Pk is dead long live pve, oh wait thats dead too.

Restat all your vit the only things that can pwn you are in TT3-3 and apparently its not even worth going in there anymore anway. Unless you like a challenge and wanna see the real power of your new shiny gear.

Then step outside and get wtfpwned in pvp.

Goodluck

thumbs wrote: »

In a thread full of "If it works for you" nonsense; it's nice to see someone making actual points, and great ones at that!

I hate being the best dd in squad and having to heal these fail vit builds when I can solo the mobs faster.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No offense, but how exactly is it nonsense if it works for you. b:puzzled Your build works for you, and I don't consider that to be nonsense. A working strategy is a working strategy, and an effective one at that. We all have different strategies, and different things that we can implement in order to play the game better, and according to our playstyle.

Also, if you're a cleric... It's your primary job to keep your squad healed. This includes other clerics as well...just as it is their job to keep the squad healed, and you as well. Everyone gets hit at some point whilst playing this game. As a cleric, or as any class, ones build cannot be considered a fail, if at the end of the day, they minimize charm ticks, deaths are kept to a minimum (sometimes they are unavoidable), and the job gets done in the end. Thats a successful run, and a good one at that. Thats a good cleric that is able to pull that off, so the idea that that cleric is a mooch and a fail, or otherwise inadequate is in fact a fallacy. No disrespect, but that's the truth.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No, it's not. The date under your avatar is the first time you posted on that character/profile in the forums. If you want to know your join date, go to core connect and look at Hello World! It's the closest considering it's achieved by completing your first quest.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

in PVP refinements and attack levels easily make up for lost stat points, but obviously cannot make up for extremes like extremely low HP or extremely high vit and low magic attack

StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You do know that a R9 pure arcane cleric can have 12.5K HP unbuffed with no points in VIT or hp shards?

You do the builds for a R9 pure arcane with a MAG tome and then one with 50 base VIT and a VIT tome.

Refines and attack levels make the damage difference DPH and DPS between the two builds huge. Even more when taking into account buffs debuffs and damage amps.

Refines greatly increase your HP with VIT having no effect

VIT points give flat bonus HP, 100 VIT (50 base + 50 Tome if you can afford it) will give you 1050 HP with +5% ornament bonus. Can't remember what Barb bonus is XD so we will say 30% which means you sacrifice killing power for 1365 HP which will save you how from a R9 sin zerk critting at 25K+ or an R9 archer critting at 12K+(and debuffing your hp buff) or a R9 Barb doing omfg+ Zerk Arma. Basically pretty much every other class out there can one or two shot you with the same gears the only way to stop them is to save yourself if you can using SKILLS not stats and using your NON-NERFED attack to kill them before they kill you which is hard anyway coz cleric attack sucks even with full MAG. Unless you gank, then go team \o/

Now you seem to be under the impression that the mediocre damage output from high refines on a VIT build is ok (cough can't kill anything with the same gears cough fail cough). Compare it to a pure build buddy the difference is many thousands.

How do you expect not to fail at pvp if you cannot bypass the charm of a same geared opponent. You gonna survive them to death?

Ever heard of exponential growth (MAG stat x Weapon refinement x attack lvls x skill bonus etc)or did you forget to do your homework because you're too busy playing games?

PS the main reason I wouldn't stat VIT at all is because the more points you have in MAG the more benefit you will get the longer you invest in the class or the more money you put into the game (ie refinements and gears and weapons) Vit will always only give you 1365(ish) HP whilst MAG stat will keep giving you returns on investments.

PPS end game gear is screwed anyway it gives more attack lvls than defence levels so survivability gained from a tiny bit of extra HP is garbage. Kill shots for the win \o/

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

^ Mmhm, IH isn't powerful at the start (no skill really is), but as you level it up it will be more than adequate, especially with a decent weapon.

The difference between base 3 vit and 25 vit with, for example, a level 100 cleric using an unrefined R8 wep is roughly 300 base magic attack. The difference between a base 25 vit and a 50 vit is roughly another 300 base magic attack.

At 9000+ magic attack as far as heals go it will start to matter little in terms of keeping a tank alive whether it's 9000 or 9700, whether it's 14500 or 15200.