Do All Cash Shop Haters Simply Not Have a Life?

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not match with the topic but ...

When a game planned to be f2p there always someone who predict, hope, demand that the cash shop is cosmetic only.

Impossible, dream on. b:kiss

I can think of a game like that where the cash shop is mostly cosmetic only....

I don't think it's the cashshoppers themselves that are hated it's the attitude of some people who do it, and the stupidly powerful advantage they have over everybody else. It's true that they keep the game afloat (Although, if PWI is so "broke" where'd they get the money to make that heap of pixels they call FW?) but really? The comparison between a full R9 class and the average Joe isn't even a contest. This game used to be balanced and fun...if not balanced, as least achievable.

I'm 100% F2P.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/xyz_02/2011-08-0903-19-47.jpg

Everybody above me is R9. I'm the only one in TT90 Green...and some of my gear is missing. (Helm, Boots, neck.)

I don't blame the cashshoppers...I blame the developing team for making the game unbalanced like it is now.

i just realized I misinterpreted this topic with my last post.


Here's a better one:

I met alot of cashshoppers who have their wallet up their *** with an ego the size of Texas with a little Baja California thrown in. It makes people like ME, look really bad. Some of us do not spend as much as they do and all for different reasons.

This is what draws the hate the most.

Nothing much you can really do about them, but this game will end up like alot of MMOs that are around for a long time. So go invest millions but in the end it's a waste.

Thank you cashshoppers for making my game free. I'm not beeing sarcastic, really.

The fun part of it all is that those R9 insta 105 players who level up buying heads and goons make me look quite pro at this game.

To the regular cashshoppers, I find nothing wrong with you guys buying gold, as I said it keeps my game free.

To the ultra cashshoppers ( yes the insta R9's) ty for keping my game free and making me laugh when I see you doing all the stupid things you do b:laugh

Yeah, cash shoppers can be annoying, but what about the people who can fund their speed leveling, but then when they get 100+ they are severely undergeared, underskilled, and are a burden upon a squad? I think those can be equally as annoying.

cuz cs is like a cheat....
we work hardly on getin our stuff by farmin n u rich cs-ers just get it in sum mins...
i dont care if u buy fashion or other things with gold but try to play like us the non cs-ers see how hard it rly is...

First, I don't think the people that are complaining about CSers are angry at the CSers.
I think they're angry at PW for making the CS something it should never have become.

When a game is advertised as F2P and the CS is limited to things like inventory expansions, fashion, experience/spirit boosting items, mounts/flyers, teles/tele sets, etc. people are happy with the gaming experience in general. (Be they CSers or F2Pers)

But what happens in most (all PW) F2P games is that game balance and game economy get destroyed by the introduction of lottery items (packs) and things like rank badges that can be paid for.

When people can buy the game from the CS rather than playing it the people who came to play the game become discouraged. There is little incentive to work hard for something in any environment when people can come along later and purchase the same (or better) 'accomplishment'.

When the servers first started the ratio of coins/gold trade was 100k/1 or so...

After the introduction of lottery packs the ratio began to get skewed. Now I'm NOT saying that the increase in gold prices are solely the fault of the pack introduction (people who buy gold for 1M+ per are as much to blame for the increase) but they WERE the catalyst to inflate the economy.

It's hard on people to play a game for a year or two, making friends and gradually improving their avatar's skills/gear, only to see people come into the game with a thick wallet who can purchase the same or better improvements in less than a month.

There ARE ways to never put money into this game and still get all the gear that the uber CS player gets (buy low sell high) but it won't happen in a month. Not to mention the fact that to accomplish the same thing by this route makes the game seem more like a job.
(keep track of market fluctuations, monitoring your inventories, maintaining a perpetual catshop to optimize your merchant work, etc.)

People used to make pretty good coin farming/selling various mid-hi level mats available in the game world because those mats were useful in making things used in game. Those items have been steadily decreasing in value due to the introduction of tokens via packs that can be traded for comparable or better items so there is no demand for the 'old stuff' that F2P players and CS players have access to.

The idea originally was: the CS player doesn't want to spend half his time running around the map(s) digging up various items so they buy/sell coins/gold to those F2P players who would do the running around and digging FOR them. This worked well, the economy was balanced and players were happy.

Apparently PW wasn't... they needed MORE money FASTER so they introduced packs.
And that's how we got to where we are today. Greed rolls down hill. Just like poo.

megaseeker wrote: »

cuz cs is like a cheat....
we work hardly on getin our stuff by farmin n u rich cs-ers just get it in sum mins...
i dont care if u buy fashion or other things with gold but try to play like us the non cs-ers see how hard it rly is...

_Bloody_Fox_ - Lost City wrote: »

If you are a cash shopper trying to defend yourself and cash shopping in general then please just GTFO. Your opinion is invalid. the vast majority agrees that CSing is NOT fair. You didn't work hard IN-GAME for those coins, all you did was charge your little credit card. Seriously just gtfo.

Some of us have to work hard at our jobs too hun. So sometimes we spend a lil something in game for entertainment. Despite what you think, we have farmed and leveled just like you did.

But I do agree that selling power is bad for business. Cosmetics like mounts, flyers, clothes and dyes are fine. Stuff for convenience like inventory stones, tele stones, account stash too.

But getting end game gear with cash alone is just plain wrong especially for a gear based game.

Kiyoshi, are you unable to see what Bloody is saying through the haze of rage that is was typed under?

This is the important part of Bloody's post:

You didn't work hard IN-GAME for those coins, all you did was charge your little credit card


Which is really what I said in the first place. Bloody's rage isn't at the CSer... it's at the FACT that the CSer can BUY the same or better level of 'accomplishment' in 1 MONTH of 'playing' than a casual F2P player obtains in 1-2 years.

Just because Bloody is currently in a near-blind rage doesn't mean anything.

The fact that the game no longer has to be 'played' by people with fat wallets IS the problem.

In fact, how ridiculously rich are the people who drop thousands of dollars on a game?

I feel safe in saying that most people who earn tens of thousands of dollars a day don't spend thousands of dollars a month on a video game. They are usually too smart to squander funds like that.

Wealthy people know the value of a dollar if they actually earned it themselves.

It's kind of like the difference between Warren Buffet and M.C. Hammer.

Fools and their money you see...

darkdavid, the fact that the CS players are the ones who fund the server has never been in dispute.

The idea that they need not 'play' the game to dominate it IS in dispute.

Kiyoshi, I think you are upset over something you're still not understanding.

I don't care if you spend ridiculous sums of money on this or any other game.
I still think it's foolish but hey, it's your money.

I care that you're coming into a game that is meant to be PLAYED (not worked) and you're turning it into a wallet measuring contest (pseudo phallic measuring IMO).

I care that others like you have no desire to play the game you just want to feel 'better' than everyone else because you can 'afford' nice gear and can acquire it in 1 month or less.

I care that your pretentiousness and arrogance are alienating many of the people the game was touted for, i.e. F2Pers.

If you want to pay for a game that is F2P I have no problem with it. In fact I appreciate your contributions to the game as it allows others to play for free.

I care that the company that started the F2P game seems to be slapping those who cannot or will not pay for a game in the face by telling them that after 1-2 years of playing they will still be inferior to a wallet. Not inferior to a player, just inferior to a wallet.

I care that you can't understand the difference between playing a game and using money to completely bypass the play and get right to smacking people with a wallet.

Somehow you think I am denigrating you or that I'm jealous of you.

In truth, neither case is applicable. In fact I feel a measure of concern for someone who values their money and the 'status' it brings rather than the simple enjoyment of a game.

Probably because I used to be a lot like you.

rgog wrote: »

I keep hearing people go nuts about people that cash shop saying all types of nasty things.

Here is how I see it. If I go out to a movie it cost $10 plus another $7 for popcorn and a drink, roughly $20 for a couple of hours of entertainment and a snack. I make more than $25 an hour at my day job and do some freelance on the side for a couple of hundred bucks a month.

So instead of spending my gaming time farming the same monsters or instances over and over so I can sell stuff and maybe make a few million, I buy an average of $20 of gold a month. Now I am not saying I play PW instead of going to a move every couple of weeks or out to dinner with friends/GF but I am just putting the cost of other entertainment which most people don't blink an eye at into perspecitve.

So it comes down to this.

Are all the cash shop haters just jealous?

If you really believe in your heart-of-hearts that a F2P game should only be played free then why would you curse out cash shoppers because they are the ones paying for your free play.

Why do some free players pretend they are better or more committed to a game because they don't cash shop. I personally see it as them having too much time on their hands if they want to waste hour upon hour farming.

Bottom line is everyone should play how they want and for their own reasons....if you hate something about the game, just quit and move on. Why come to the forums and whine about.

CSers fund the game, yes. It is more time efficient to cash shop, yes. Jealous? No. Most people can easily CS. The roots of the problem come down to the fact that people want to be better, with or without CSing. Those who CS are deemed to "cheat", because some people just don't like it when everything comes down to money. However, this is the unfortunately reality for many things in our world.

In terms of the "no-life" comment, it really depends the individual. If you're one of those people who CS and have "friends" you've become close with IN the game, and neglect everyone else around you in real life, then yes, you probably do need a life. But what i'm saying is an extreme. A lot of people just fail to admit that they are leaning on the edge of having no life, because they are too addicted to a game.

Ultimately, the only people i consider to have "no life" are those who are no longer playing for fun (again, something that people start to deny), but rather the need to be better than someone, because they fail to be successful in real life.

DarkExorcist - Dreamweaver wrote: »

CSers fund the game, yes. It is more time efficient to cash shop, yes. Jealous? No. Most people can easily CS. The roots of the problem come down to the fact that people want to be better, with or without CSing. Those who CS are deemed to "cheat", because some people just don't like it when everything comes down to money. However, this is the unfortunately reality for many things in our world.

In terms of the "no-life" comment, it really depends the individual. If you're one of those people who CS and have "friends" you've become close with IN the game, and neglect everyone else around you in real life, then yes, you probably do need a life. But what i'm saying is an extreme. A lot of people just fail to admit that they are leaning on the edge of having no life, because they are too addicted to a game.

Ultimately, the only people i consider to have "no life" are those who are no longer playing for fun (again, something that people start to deny), but rather the need to be better than someone, because they fail to be successful in real life.

Some friends in the game are better than ones you know outside of the game. Socially, for me at least(and up til a certain point), it's been better than outside of the game.

Most people still go out and meet people, but times have changed where a lot of people don't have that luxury anymore, and can only work and go home and sleep. Online games and net in general keep them in touch with "humanity" haha.

Basically what I'm saying is, friends in game are just as real as the ones "in real life".


at skulla: wow nicely put

Skulla - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I don't care if you spend ridiculous sums of money on this or any other game.
I still think it's foolish but hey, it's your money.

I care that you're coming into a game that is meant to be PLAYED (not worked) and you're turning it into a wallet measuring contest (pseudo phallic measuring IMO).

I care that others like you have no desire to play the game you just want to feel 'better' than everyone else because you can 'afford' nice gear and can acquire it in 1 month or less.

I care that your pretentiousness and arrogance are alienating many of the people the game was touted for, i.e. F2Pers.

If you want to pay for a game that is F2P I have no problem with it. In fact I appreciate your contributions to the game as it allows others to play for free.

I care that the company that started the F2P game seems to be slapping those who cannot or will not pay for a game in the face by telling them that after 1-2 years of playing they will still be inferior to a wallet. Not inferior to a player, just inferior to a wallet.

I care that you can't understand the difference between playing a game and using money to completely bypass the play and get right to smacking people with a wallet.

Thank you for that post, it is brilliant.

Made red to further drive in the truth