Same mistake twice?

lvmln
lvmln Posts: 13 Arc User
edited July 2011 in Dawnglory (EU)
Is Harshland about to make the same mistake twice, where we let the zulu/cata take over the map and resist them when they are about to get it all? They wont get it all since they are not godly, but they are makin 250mil a week just from tw lands..... why let them make more? Curses got scared of valhala and b1tched like a girl cause he saw his resourses being taken away, now they on top and soo cool. Stack Catalyst , not factions in their way of makin more money. BTW the faster kylin gets off the map, the sooner crimson can start resisting, 2 more good factions and cata is gonna loose a land. Valhala got scared thou instead of making key alliances are hiding in a corner away for cata :S good thing is they are gonna meet soon again, since cata is gonna go for Etherblade, so its no escape, YOU will have to fight , the questions is will you fight when they make 400kk a week of tw land or try to put a hold to that expansion earlier. Stack Catalyst before they get even stronger with that tw land money.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    lvmln wrote: »
    BTW the faster kylin gets off the map, the sooner crimson can start resisting, 2 more good factions and cata is gonna loose a land.

    Trolololol. Yeah GL on that.
  • Dralighte - Harshlands
    Dralighte - Harshlands Posts: 1,540 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Trolololol. Yeah GL on that.

    well, he have right on something.
    if Kylin lose their lands, many peops will leave... and Kylin wont be a big factor...
    well, I actually THINK it will happen since we/you got this problem :)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Kylin: thrashtalk everyone, win TWs, serious faction -Dralighte
  • lvmln
    lvmln Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Trolololol. Yeah GL on that.
    trololo kylin gets stacked and looses 2 out of 3 lands.... or just give 1 away to crimson trololo, what would you do if the catas alts were busy and unable to connect?
  • VenomousEmo - Harshlands
    VenomousEmo - Harshlands Posts: 860 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I don't understand the point of this thread.

    ty for the free post count though.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »
    well, he have right on something.
    if Kylin lose their lands, many peops will leave... and Kylin wont be a big factor...
    well, I actually THINK it will happen since we/you got this problem :)
    I'm laughing at the "resisting" part.
    lvmln wrote: »
    trololo kylin gets stacked and looses 2 out of 3 lands.... or just give 1 away to crimson trololo, what would you do if the catas alts were busy and unable to connect?

    The same thing? Are you really going back to this alts thing? One Insanity alt in Crimson has more refine on their gears than all the cata alts combined.
  • lvmln
    lvmln Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    VenomousEmo - Harshlands wrote: »
    I don't understand the point of this thread.

    ty for the free post count though.
    yw, point: kill kylin, cata looses they shield, stack cata before they expand even more and make even more money to equip they players.b:kiss
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    lvmln wrote: »
    BTW the faster kylin gets off the map, the sooner crimson can start resisting, 2 more good factions and cata is gonna loose a land.

    Why stop Kylin instead of stopping Crimson? Seems as the Kylin is the stronger force lately, perhaps the second strongest guild on the map behind Catalyst. Seems like you're stacking the odds in Cata's favor if you only allow the weaker guilds to survive.
    I <3 AGOREY
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    lvmln wrote: »
    yw, point: kill kylin, cata looses they shield, stack cata before they expand even more and make even more money to equip they players.b:kiss

    Are you even on this server? Their shield? Kylin isn't stopping factions to stack Catalyst lol. We are not even allies. I just got PK by Catalyst last time I was at west gate.
  • Halt - Harshlands
    Halt - Harshlands Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Looks like a valhalla member is a tad bit upset.

    BTW the max you can get is 300m each week, but the damage has already been done. the money has been merchanted and passed around like your mom on a saturday night and its only going to grow.
    Unban me.
  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I think the OP is jelly.

    Are you jelly, OP?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    "subtraction has the butt of an angel" - Paulrogers
    I <3 Subtraction.
    /blatant sig copy is blatant

    105/105/105 obtained! b:cute
  • lvmln
    lvmln Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    who stopped zulu from takin over the map? kylin? kylin has been a puppet for so long, just keeping other faction busy and giving free space to move around and attack at will to catalyst... the second strongest faction as some say has not moved anywhere, just back and forth.
  • lvmln
    lvmln Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Halt - Harshlands wrote: »
    Looks like a valhalla member is a tad bit upset.

    BTW the max you can get is 300m each week, but the damage has already been done. the money has been merchanted and passed around like your mom on a saturday night and its
    only going to grow.

    mom jokes? lmfao punk, you know, imma invite Curses to a big presidential dinner so he can fill himself up good and when he drops that shet you have more to taste and lick from.
  • Halt - Harshlands
    Halt - Harshlands Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Superman dat hoe
    Unban me.
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I said this a long time ago but I still think it's true:


    No one is stacking Catalyst cause that's boring. Catalyst has successfully shown they can beat 3 of the 5 major guilds on the map and has yet to lose a war, so everyone views them as being too hard and believes that they'll lose if they face Catalyst directly. To top it off, stacking? Is friggin' boring. A no-show TW that gives you 10mil, sure that's great, but yknow what's better? Having fun. No-shows aren't fun.
    To top it off, there's no specific reason to hate them and want them to disband because they barely friggin' play. The main way to get hate is to go on massive PK sprees during events. Catalyst is too busy AFKing at west to PK and/or do events.

    So let's say next week every guild on the map that can stack Catalyst actually does it. Half of the guilds will get no-shows, the other half believe that they'll get rolled and lose in 5 minutes. Everyone who stacks them loses out on the fun factor.

    And that's why it never happens. That's why people opt to try and form one guild that can attempt to fight back.



    If you really want them gone? Just support a guild that isn't hated. Eventually when there's two guilds on the map and people are FORCED to strike down Catalyst if they wanna TW at all, as long as a hated guild isn't the only other guild with land, people will support the underdog and help stack.
    I <3 AGOREY
  • Dralighte - Harshlands
    Dralighte - Harshlands Posts: 1,540 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Are you even on this server? Their shield? Kylin isn't stopping factions to stack Catalyst lol. We are not even allies. I just got PK by Catalyst last time I was at west gate.

    I lol'ed
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Kylin: thrashtalk everyone, win TWs, serious faction -Dralighte
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »
    I lol'ed

    He's right. I fought and shot at Catalyst two nights ago. Ask Eoria. She has frostbite from Glacial Shards.


    Just because every other faction on the map takes **** WAAAAAAY too seriously and holds onto grudges like crazy doesn't mean that Kylin and Catalyst can't fight each other and then work together when neccesary. Hell, yesterday I helped Crimson fight Valhalla. Does that make us allies now? Weird alliance we got going on if we wage war with each other at the same time, lulz.
    I <3 AGOREY
  • Dralighte - Harshlands
    Dralighte - Harshlands Posts: 1,540 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    He's right. I fought and shot at Catalyst two nights ago. Ask Eoria. She has frostbite from Glacial Shards.


    Just because every other faction on the map takes **** WAAAAAAY too seriously and holds onto grudges like crazy doesn't mean that Kylin and Catalyst can't fight each other and then work together when neccesary. Hell, yesterday I helped Crimson fight Valhalla. Does that make us allies now? Weird alliance we got going on if we wage war with each other at the same time, lulz.

    I lol'ed because everytimes we are doing a Pk wars, Catalyst and Kylins are together.
    and Long, you're an exeption xD
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Kylin: thrashtalk everyone, win TWs, serious faction -Dralighte
  • VenomousEmo - Harshlands
    VenomousEmo - Harshlands Posts: 860 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    lvmln wrote: »
    who stopped zulu from takin over the map? kylin? kylin has been a puppet for so long, just keeping other faction busy and giving free space to move around and attack at will to catalyst... the second strongest faction as some say has not moved anywhere, just back and forth.

    Dear, you're getting confused with Crimson. Crimson supposedly "stopped Zulu" only from the stacks that came with it. FYI, Cata and Kylin aren't allied in anyway. I'm having trouble understanding anything you say, so I'll shorten things up for you.

    Kylin = second strongest faction.
    Crimson = third strongest faction.

    If you were to take out Kylin, you'd be taking out the only possible threat in the future for Cata. There's not 1 faction on this server than has proved they can 1 v 1 Cata. So, what you're saying is, it's best to eliminate the only possible factor to defeating Cata, in order for scrub factions to stack Cata just to lose land? Is that really what TW is about now? Guess it's true that money > fun nowadays.

    Anyways, you're ****ing stupid. Go away.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • VenomousEmo - Harshlands
    VenomousEmo - Harshlands Posts: 860 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »
    I lol'ed because everytimes we are doing a Pk wars, Catalyst and Kylins are together.
    and Long, you're an exeption xD

    I lol'ed because everytime we are PKing, it's always Crimson, Insanity, Mayhem, and AfterLife vs Cata.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    lvmln wrote: »
    who stopped zulu from takin over the map? kylin? kylin has been a puppet for so long, just keeping other faction busy and giving free space to move around and attack at will to catalyst... the second strongest faction as some say has not moved anywhere, just back and forth.
    I'm sorry what? What's your definition of "stopped"? Crimson lost a land each week just like Kylin did and the only difference was they managed to win one defense war out of... 15? What did Crimson do when Kylin was fighting Zulu? Nothing. Just because they used Kylin as a shield from Zulu you are concluding that Kylin is now Catalyst's shield? Obviously Kylin's been a puppet and those 3 hour wars with Zulus were just for shows.
    Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »
    I lol'ed
    Have Insanity or Mayhem PK'ed Crimson? Catalysts still PK Kylins.
  • lvmln
    lvmln Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    I said this a long time ago but I still think it's true:


    No one is stacking Catalyst cause that's boring. Catalyst has successfully shown they can beat 3 of the 5 major guilds on the map and has yet to lose a war, so everyone views them as being too hard and believes that they'll lose if they face Catalyst directly. To top it off, stacking? Is friggin' boring. A no-show TW that gives you 10mil, sure that's great, but yknow what's better? Having fun. No-shows aren't fun.
    To top it off, there's no specific reason to hate them and want them to disband because they barely friggin' play. The main way to get hate is to go on massive PK sprees during events. Catalyst is too busy AFKing at west to PK and/or do events.

    So let's say next week every guild on the map that can stack Catalyst actually does it. Half of the guilds will get no-shows, the other half believe that they'll get rolled and lose in 5 minutes. Everyone who stacks them loses out on the fun factor.

    And that's why it never happens. That's why people opt to try and form one guild that can attempt to fight back.



    If you really want them gone? Just support a guild that isn't hated. Eventually when there's two guilds on the map and people are FORCED to strike down Catalyst if they wanna TW at all, as long as a hated guild isn't the only other guild with land, people will support the underdog and help stack.
    you are very right, they would roll , but they rolled as zulu too and when ppl finally decided to group up and stop them, it happened. what a shock! the thing is why wait like last year to be only 2 factions on the map?
    Okeano you are nothing without catas alts.... (troll)
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »
    I lol'ed because everytimes we are doing a Pk wars, Catalyst and Kylins are together.
    and Long, you're an exeption xD

    This is why, plain and simple:

    Catalyst is essentially Zulu. People like MALIGNO, ArmaniEx and ShootnBlanks know the horribad ganking that went on during Zulu vs. Crimson days, so they're not the most friendly with them and like to remind Crimson members when they happen to catch them alone that they've got a lot to learn. Non-PKing Catalyst members don't like Crimson for more or less, for the same reasons: Crimson likes to think of itself as a big factor, but from a Catalyst perspective, they haven't earned that title. Crimson's only victories were during stacks, when Zulu had too many wars to be able to defend all of them. So yeah, "put them in their place," so to speak.

    Kylin doesn't like Crimson because Kylin realized how ret@rded an alliance with Crimson is. You two were allied, yet what happened when Zulu was knocking on Kylin's door? Nothing. Crimson attacked Zulu one or two weeks when they had the possibility, lost, then gave up until Kylin was dead. As I've said before, what's the point in an alliance if it DOESN'T ACTUALLY BENEFIT YOU? Kylin DID shield Crimson from Zulu, Crimson made a half-assed attempt to return the favor, and now Kylin's apparently pretty bitter about it.


    And that's why these two guilds join forces whenever they see Crimson.
    I <3 AGOREY
  • Dralighte - Harshlands
    Dralighte - Harshlands Posts: 1,540 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    VenomousEmo - Harshlands wrote: »
    I lol'ed because everytime we are PKing, it's always Crimson, Insanity, Mayhem, and AfterLife vs Cata.

    I'm wondering why... oh wait, I know why!!! Because we are ALLIES.
    I though Cata and Ky are not allies?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Kylin: thrashtalk everyone, win TWs, serious faction -Dralighte
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    lvmln wrote: »
    you are very right, they would roll , but they rolled as zulu too and when ppl finally decided to group up and stop them, it happened. what a shock! the thing is why wait like last year to be only 2 factions on the map?
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm sorry what? What's your definition of "stopped"? Crimson lost a land each week just like Kylin did and the only difference was they managed to win one defense war out of... 15? What did Crimson do when Kylin was fighting Zulu? Nothing. Just because they used Kylin as a shield from Zulu you are concluding that Kylin is now Catalyst's shield? Obviously Kylin's been a puppet and those 3 hour wars with Zulus were just for shows.


    lvmln wrote: »
    Okeano you are nothing without catas alts.... (troll)

    Aww, are you a Crimson butt hurt about our TWs? Come post on your main.
  • lvmln
    lvmln Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    VenomousEmo - Harshlands wrote: »
    Dear, you're getting confused with Crimson. Crimson supposedly "stopped Zulu" only from the stacks that came with it. FYI, Cata and Kylin aren't allied in anyway. I'm having trouble understanding anything you say, so I'll shorten things up for you.

    Kylin = second strongest faction.
    Crimson = third strongest faction.

    If you were to take out Kylin, you'd be taking out the only possible threat in the future for Cata. There's not 1 faction on this server than has proved they can 1 v 1 Cata. So, what you're saying is, it's best to eliminate the only possible factor to defeating Cata, in order for scrub factions to stack Cata just to lose land? Is that really what TW is about now? Guess it's true that money > fun nowadays.

    Anyways, you're ****ing stupid. Go away.
    and kylis is gonna fight cata with catas alts???
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm wondering why... oh wait, I know why!!! Because we are ALLIES.
    I though Cata and Ky are not allies?
    Ever heard of "enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Let's see, we have Crimson + Insanity + Mayhem in one side, then we got Catalyst and Kylin there also. What's the logical things for those 2 factions to do when both are being attacked by other 3? Obviously keep PK-ing each other.
    lvmln wrote: »
    and kylis is gonna fight cata with catas alts???
    We'll see what happens and cross that bridge when it comes to it.
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    lvmln wrote: »
    the thing is why wait like last year to be only 2 factions on the map?

    Because people are having fun. Kylin vs. Crimson wars are often times fun, Deicide and Omerta look like they have a good fight on their hands, Insanity or even Crimson might have fun with Valhalla. But Catalyst? The only two major guilds on the map that haven't already lost to Catalyst are Kylin and Crimson, who haven't even faced Cata yet. There's no fun aspect.


    Honestly, what do we care if we end up with two guilds on the map? Is it a matter of pride? To be able to say you stopped them? Or do you wanna shatter Catalyst's ego? I love shattering egos as much as the next guy, but I'm not gonna go out of my way and ruin my entertainment just to do it.
    I said a long time ago that "resetting the map wouldn't revive TW, it would only give us a couple months of fun TWs before it went back to Team A vs. Team B," and I still agree with that. People don't unite early because it's more fun to face a tough opponent than to fight no opponent at all (in a no show or a 5-minute faceroll). People wanna have fun with the match-ups they have now before Team A and Team B fight to the death again.


    The only guilds that really have no excuse for NOT attacking Catalyst are Afterlife and Insanity. Go yell at them if you wanna see Cata get stacked. They've got nothing to lose by bidding, they're in the position to get the ball rolling (one has no choice, the other is currently being attacked by Cata and it wouldn't hurt to retaliate) and yet they're not doing it.
    I <3 AGOREY
  • VenomousEmo - Harshlands
    VenomousEmo - Harshlands Posts: 860 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm wondering why... oh wait, I know why!!! Because we are ALLIES.
    I though Cata and Ky are not allies?

    And there's the difference between Crimson and Cata/Kylin;
    We don't see a need to allie every faction and their mothers to be a known factor.
    lvmln wrote: »
    and kylis is gonna fight cata with catas alts???

    Once Cata vs Kylin wars start, all the alts will be gone and it will be mains vs. mains. Didn't think I needed to explain that... It seemed quite obvious.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Dralighte - Harshlands
    Dralighte - Harshlands Posts: 1,540 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    This is why, plain and simple:

    Catalyst is essentially Zulu. People like MALIGNO, ArmaniEx and ShootnBlanks know the horribad ganking that went on during Zulu vs. Crimson days, so they're not the most friendly with them and like to remind Crimson members when they happen to catch them alone that they've got a lot to learn. Non-PKing Catalyst members don't like Crimson for more or less, for the same reasons: Crimson likes to think of itself as a big factor, but from a Catalyst perspective, they haven't earned that title. Crimson's only victories were during stacks, when Zulu had too many wars to be able to defend all of them. So yeah, "put them in their place," so to speak.

    Kylin doesn't like Crimson because Kylin realized how ret@rded an alliance with Crimson is. You two were allied, yet what happened when Zulu was knocking on Kylin's door? Nothing. Crimson attacked Zulu one or two weeks when they had the possibility, lost, then gave up until Kylin was dead. As I've said before, what's the point in an alliance if it DOESN'T ACTUALLY BENEFIT YOU? Kylin DID shield Crimson from Zulu, Crimson made a half-assed attempt to return the favor, and now Kylin's apparently pretty bitter about it.


    And that's why these two guilds join forces whenever they see Crimson.
    I can understand Catalyst, dw ;)


    The only thing I remember with KY's TWs was ppl that raged at every lost.
    I think Crimson bidded twice, then they got bideed often by other factions...

    who said Crimson is a factor? tell me names! Because we never said that, we were happy to not let you get the whole map with the "help" of the reset was freaking awsome, but I know you would control the whole map without.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Kylin: thrashtalk everyone, win TWs, serious faction -Dralighte
  • Dralighte - Harshlands
    Dralighte - Harshlands Posts: 1,540 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    VenomousEmo - Harshlands wrote: »
    And there's the difference between Crimson and Cata/Kylin;
    We don't see a need to allie every faction and their mothers to be a known factor.

    We have only 2 allies, stop being butthurt dear. If we could extend the max ppl in faction, we would be all inside
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Kylin: thrashtalk everyone, win TWs, serious faction -Dralighte

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