Why do many mystics refuse to buff the team?

OontzOontz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That's because you expect too much from the cleric. It's not their job to attack. You might as well ask them to solo the instance for you.

You are right in one sense.....I do expect a lot from myself. I say that because my main character is a cleric. And I did not describe anything that I do not do myself. After making sure that the tank has heals and everyone is safe, I have a choice: 1) to stand around and do nothing or, 2) I can help with the killing. I will give you one guess what popular clerics do.

As firedolfine said, attacking is not usually a clerics priority, but I am not a heal-slave that is there to cast IH once and a while, and to look pretty the rest of the time. By contributing to the killing, clerics help the run to go much faster....which everyone appreciates.

Clerics are much, much more than a one-trick-pony....and I do not ask anything more of them than I do of all other classes....which is simply to contribute to the success of the squad as best as they can

I quit my Mystic for personal reasons but the times I'd play it I would buff the whole squad regardless of it being necessary (due to being solo healing) or not (due to having a cleric).

You never know when things may go wrong and the fact that I had buffed the whole squad (in a bh) pretty much saved us from a total wipe, boss reset and lots of time. Obviously, good squads will mean that res buff is not a necessity but, like I said, you never know when something may happen.


That's my opinion however. I play healer classes because I love helping, healing and protecting and thus, I do my best in squads and not be stingy just to save a little mp. I know very well how much mp Mystics consume but mp charms and apothecary pots (if you're under lvl75) solve your problem and the latter can be done by anyone, poor or not. Also, the right gear with mag+ mp+ stacking will give you a lot of mp as well. At lvl 89 I already had 10k mp on my Mystic (but lost some due to switching to TT90 gear from tt80/molds) and I was sharding with HP shards only.

Call me old fashion or random but I believe in giving everyone the buff.

In instances, anything can happen - lag, fail pulls and stuff. You never know when it could come in handy. Sometimes, it takes the pressure off the cleric in case someone dies while the cleric is healing the tank.

Plus, a mystic - and this goes for most skills - shouldn't really play if they're worrid about mana burn. Herb Yuanxiao is cheap and really, your role is a support DD, so I think they should be healing, res buffing and summoning plants as often as possible.

My two cents.

P/S. I have a mystic despite my avatar.

__Astarte__ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

...compare that to Rez buff, which at max level costs 2660MP PER PERSON. That's 15960 MP to buff the whole squad. And for Sage/Demon? 2900 each, bringing the drain up to 17400.

Wanted to say I agree with what Astarte's said on all of her posts. The MP drain is incredible for us. The 30 second cooldown on the skill isn't really that great when you're trying to buff everyone at once (more or less). I have no problem potting as pots are pretty inexpensive... but more or less it just comes down to what the situation calls for.

Only time I ever buff everyone with a res buff is if I'm the only healer. Then of course you'll have to buff everyone. I hate doing it not because of the mp drain alone which isn't a huge deal to me but moreso the cooldown time. For instance if I'm running an FF as the only healer and I have to res buff everyone... I start with the first person and go down the list. Problem is people are impatient and usually start running the instance right away. Usually I can get everyone buffed before we get to the first boss, but it's still a hassle at any rate. I haven't been playing enough lately to get 99 yet for my level 11 res buff... I'm not sure if the cooldown is less for it. Would be nice but... eh.

When I went sage I did it out of the sole reason that I wanted what I feel are better healing spells and for the 95% exp loss reduction for 11 res. So I'm not going to ***** if people want it.

I only buff the barb/tank and the cleric, as well as myself usually. If anyone else wants it they can request it, and I'll give it. But normally, I figure if something goes horribly wrong, the tank and cleric are the primary people who will need it. If the tank and cleric die they can res and I can continue healing during such and vice versa. There's no reason the other DDs would need the res buff as they usually wait for the cleric to res them anyway. There's no point in wasting the time.

firedolphin wrote: »

i have a mystic alt and the first thing i do when somebody joins my squad is to give them my buff.
i came across mystics who refused to give their buffs with the sole excuse "it takes a lot of mp" or "it makes my charm tick". i was like "seriously?" i mean, no matter what your class is, you owe your squad your class's buff. A mystic's buff is even more important than the rest, since it saves up a lot of time and experience (time needed to return to the spot) AND it is the only thing that can ressurect the cleric (if any), not to mention that sometimes it is a life-saver! (i was playing on my cleric and we were attacked by ~6 monsters on a dungeon. i did my best to keep myself, the barbarian and the mystic alive (i couldn't heal everyone because i myself was under attack) and eventually, they all died (after i died, it was only a matter of time...) If the mystic had buffed us and aided me healing, our squad's dead members would have ressurected with some hp and mp and would keep fighting, and maybe even distract the mobs that were hitting me (so that i could dedicate myself entirely to heal the other squad members...)).
I am not accusing our mystic. In fact, it was a mix of flaws of every member (i did some mistakes too). I am just highlighting the vital role of a mystic's "ressurect" skill (even on level 1).

PLEASE remember that when you give someone of your own squad your buff, you are not just helping them, you are helping yourself by making your squad more efficient.

I will send a ticket to the support team
I apologize for the inconvenience

You all are so stupid.

Let me school all of you.

The only people who need res buff is the cleric, yourself and the tank.

In the event a DD dies, yourself takes over healing while the cleric res (I think you guys are forgetting mystics are well equipped to heal).

That is all.

I can't stand people, who sit there b****ing and whining when they die, WHY DIDN'T YOU RES BUFF ME. This annoys me even more, when I asked AT LEAST 10 times: Does anyone else wants res buff? Then when they have it and they die, THEY GET THE CLERIC TO RES THEM?

^That is why you buff cleric, tank and yourself. Chances are, the tank will wait for a cleric res anyways, but w/e. If the cleric needs to res a DD, you take over healing. Ask during the run if anyone else wants it, if they don't. Ignore. Even at big room, I ask: Does anyone want res buff? The squad runs off pulling dies while cragglord kills to pull...and then they b**** at me.

Moral of the rant: If you want res buff only to refuse it in the event you die, f*** off. If you want res buff cause you like green balls, I will give it to you. If you want res buff and will use it, I will give it to you.

People are saying 30k is nothing btw, 30k gets you 50 MP food. I've done frost runs where I used 80-120 food....and those were good runs.

/rant

I agree with you on this one

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You all are so stupid.

Let me school all of you.

The only people who need res buff is the cleric, yourself and the tank.

In the event a DD dies, yourself takes over healing while the cleric res (I think you guys are forgetting mystics are well equipped to heal).

That is all.

I can't stand people, who sit there b****ing and whining when they die, WHY DIDN'T YOU RES BUFF ME. This annoys me even more, when I asked AT LEAST 10 times: Does anyone else wants res buff? Then when they have it and they die, THEY GET THE CLERIC TO RES THEM?

^That is why you buff cleric, tank and yourself. Chances are, the tank will wait for a cleric res anyways, but w/e. If the cleric needs to res a DD, you take over healing. Ask during the run if anyone else wants it, if they don't. Ignore. Even at big room, I ask: Does anyone want res buff? The squad runs off pulling dies while cragglord kills to pull...and then they b**** at me.

Moral of the rant: If you want res buff only to refuse it in the event you die, f*** off. If you want res buff cause you like green balls, I will give it to you. If you want res buff and will use it, I will give it to you.

People are saying 30k is nothing btw, 30k gets you 50 MP food. I've done frost runs where I used 80-120 food....and those were good runs.

/rant

I mostly agree with what you're saying, as much as I want to argue with you given your demeanor and excessive generalizations at the start. When I run with a cleric on my mystic I tend only to buff myself, the cleric, the tank/puller, and my wife, and no one else unless they ask. OTOH, I tend to solo heal quite a bit of late on mystic since 84 (now 89) so sometimes it's just a habit to keep everyone in the squad rez buffed.

I didn't even read the whole thread and already get bored.

I'll tell you why. Full MAG mystic on lvl 100 has ~10k MP.
MP charm is useless since 75, so don't tell me about it.

1) gather all member of party near you
2) ask how want a res buf
3) use Clear Thoughts
4) buff ressurect on them one by one

Even if you buff whole party you won't use any pot or food but your mana will be low after buff (~3k will be left after full squad buff with 11 lvl res).

Nice idea, BUT wont work. Yes a lvl 100 Mystic will have around 10K MP BUT clear thaughts has a cooldown from several minuts and is dependend on how much MP you have left over. After you rebuffed someone you have a cooldown as well. So even if you used clear thaughts before buffing you still need to wait 30 sec after you buffed one person. So it doesn't work because of the cooldowns. Get to lvl 79+ and you will lern that clear thaughts is not the solution to all MP problems...

I totally agree with the thaughts shared before.. Cleric needs it. In some situations Tank or even sins. If there is a situation a BB is a must have its the ONLY situation I can consider buffing the whole team, when there is a cleric with us. Don't make the clerics feal bad, because you take over all their tasks in a squat b:laugh

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I mostly agree with what you're saying, as much as I want to argue with you given your demeanor and excessive generalizations at the start. When I run with a cleric on my mystic I tend only to buff myself, the cleric, the tank/puller, and my wife, and no one else unless they ask. OTOH, I tend to solo heal quite a bit of late on mystic since 84 (now 89) so sometimes it's just a habit to keep everyone in the squad rez buffed.

I know exactly what you mean. I just buff everyone because it's a habit.

anwynd wrote: »

you no i just thought of something to stop all this bull **** why not just make the dam skill an aoe so you can just get the whole dang party in one fell swoop its totally fairtomake it an aoe imo becus of how much mp it costsb:victory

^This x1000 I really wish they would just make it a squad buff for all the mp it costs and the annoyance of it wearing off of everyone in squad one by one at some point in the instance and how some people don't always wait for it. Also, it would give me an excuse not to have to buff randoms who are always asking for it. b:cute

Paxiphon - Lost City wrote: »

So I started a cleric(hes the avatar) and I realized something. NEVER LET HIM DIE. Mystics should keep the cleric alive while the cleric keeps the group alive, while the group keeps the mystic alive(well, its not the primary reason for the group, but you get my point) That way the mystic is saving his/her life.

we really need a chat box in the forums b:surrender

i get it at low lvls but after lvl 75 (herb yunxiao cheap mp) everyone should get buff
that's like clerics complaining of MP pots or barbs about repair fee
if I saw that on my alt cleric i would buff everyone except mystic b:angry

edit ON FC or anyware where BB is used it's a must! i got killed but still got all exp from big pull thanx to mystic having us all buffed, same with BH a must for sins on warsong (which die a lot XD).

Exp loss Blah Blah Blah, 1 FC eun with no hypers at lvl 100 gives you more exp than i dont know 3, 4 deaths to lazy to do the math

lol how cute, all you mystics QQing about mp cost. omg raz cost me 2.6k and 5kmp pots cost me 500 b:shocked yeah i can see where buffing the squad can be so hard b:chuckle

i might be a bm but i burn through mp like nothing b:surrender 3 buff and guess what i have to use same pots as you, the 5k mp pots. 4 aoe attacks guess what i have to pot again. look i have agro i have to use hp and mp pot now b:surrender so yes QQ over a little mp cost when you let you squad members die and the cleric is not able to save those that was so unlucky to die. if they are so stupid and keep dieing then fine dont buff them, they are just holding squad back anyways. but if you want a nice smooth run and noon QQing just buff your squad they will love you. a mystic that dont buff is like a cleric that wont buff. and noon will take a cleric that dont buff

and yes mystic might have a higher mp cost for your buff but be a cleric for a day, each IH cost around 300-400 mp and full squad buffs around 4m (most clerics always re-use squad aoe buff even if only 1 person dies) and each aoe heal 1k. and BB/RB 500 every 3 sec. and when they set up BB or RB they have to keep it up for 5-10m even if its needed or not. like 2nd boss in fc and heads in big room are some good moments when its not needed but still used. ive been in squad with mystics many time all they have to do is aoe plant heal 1s every 60 sec and DD some and bosses or mobs. you take the same thing put a cleric in the mystic place and they never stop healing unless squad is moving to next set of mob/boss.

if you realy want to QQ over a little mp dont be a 5.0 bm sin or even a barb. we deal with over 100k+ repairs 90% of the time and another 100k+ in pots. and if your like me you just solo fc add in some pk pots for 20k+ each pot. total cost for 1 run = 300k-400 for full solo fc run, half run about 200k between pots and repairs.

my rant as a DD. b:victory

CrazyMig - Lost City wrote: »

lol how cute, all you mystics QQing about mp cost. omg raz cost me 2.6k and 5kmp pots cost me 500 b:shocked yeah i can see where buffing the squad can be so hard b:chuckle

i might be a bm but i burn through mp like nothing b:surrender 3 buff and guess what i have to use same pots as you, the 5k mp pots. 4 aoe attacks guess what i have to pot again. look i have agro i have to use hp and mp pot now b:surrender so yes QQ over a little mp cost when you let you squad members die and the cleric is not able to save those that was so unlucky to die. if they are so stupid and keep dieing then fine dont buff them, they are just holding squad back anyways. but if you want a nice smooth run and noon QQing just buff your squad they will love you. a mystic that dont buff is like a cleric that wont buff. and noon will take a cleric that dont buff

and yes mystic might have a higher mp cost for your buff but be a cleric for a day, each IH cost around 300-400 mp and full squad buffs around 4m (most clerics always re-use squad aoe buff even if only 1 person dies) and each aoe heal 1k. and BB/RB 500 every 3 sec. and when they set up BB or RB they have to keep it up for 5-10m even if its needed or not. like 2nd boss in fc and heads in big room are some good moments when its not needed but still used. ive been in squad with mystics many time all they have to do is aoe plant heal 1s every 60 sec and DD some and bosses or mobs. you take the same thing put a cleric in the mystic place and they never stop healing unless squad is moving to next set of mob/boss.

if you realy want to QQ over a little mp dont be a 5.0 bm sin or even a barb. we deal with over 100k+ repairs 90% of the time and another 100k+ in pots. and if your like me you just solo fc add in some pk pots for 20k+ each pot. total cost for 1 run = 300k-400 for full solo fc run, half run about 200k between pots and repairs.

my rant as a DD. b:victory

Okay...here's the funny part.

All of that **** you just mentioned is necessary cost and that money is ACTUALLY going to use. The Cleric's MP is ALWAYS being used on something that WILL be useful to either themselves or the squad. Mystic's rez buff is a luxury more than a necessity on anyone other than the cleric. And 9/10ths of the time is going to go to waste, either because there was a successful no-death run...or because buffed people wait for Cleric rez. >.>;;;

Either way, in many situations, there are simply better things I could be burning the MP on. Like, oh I dunno, keeping people alive in the first place. I mean seriously...with two healers in squad, if people are dying at such a frequent pace that Cleric can't keep up with it something is SERIOUSLY wrong. -_-

And don't try the argument 'OMG BUT WHAT IF THE CLERIC IS IN BB!?!?!???!??!?'. It's been done before, and most any Mystic would agree that they'll buff the squad in select situations like that.

Personally, I don't mind the pot cost as a Mystic. And I'll happily burn as many pots as it takes to get a squad through...whatever it is that we happen to be doing at the time. But I hate pot WASTE. And at the end of the day that's all excess rez buffing accomplishes in most any decent squad.

Lemme ask you a question dood; would you be happy if you had to pot excessively for absolutely no reason, or suffer a handful of completely unnecessary charm ticks with a healer in squad that could have EASILY prevented them? I didn't think so. =X

Paxiphon - Lost City wrote: »

So I started a cleric(hes the avatar) and I realized something. NEVER LET HIM DIE. Mystics should keep the cleric alive while the cleric keeps the group alive, while the group keeps the mystic alive(well, its not the primary reason for the group, but you get my point) That way the mystic is saving his/her life.

If I'm having to focus on healing the cleric that much, they're not a very good cleric >.>. I res buff clerics, and if I'm having to heal the majority of the time instead of doing damage, except for a few situations, more likely than not the cleric doesn't know how to heal.

As for the res buff--I'm not at 75 yet, so I don't have access to MP pots. Therefore, it takes way too much time and money to res buff every single person in the squad. I buff tank, cleric, and myself--unless there is no cleric; then I'll buff everyone. Post 75, I can see it being much easier, but there's still the cooldown to take into consideration. It's not a skill we can just spam on every squad member, and I have yet to meet a squad that wants to wait several minutes for me to finish buffing before they decide to start clearing. If I'm the main healer, that's nervewracking as hell, when I don't have the mana to heal people while trying to get buffs up on everyone--mana pots below 75 really don't cut it, and they're expensive.