What is the best endgame gear possible

Weaker gear for 5APS? Umm...No..Just go with 5aps.....

hmm intersting if youre saying Money isnt a problem then you gotta check this out

http://pwcalc.com/742c07a48ff69ba2

but really if An Assasin Had a Build Like this He would Kick A**

but u probably need to take all the money from bill gates account to be like this b:chuckleb:chuckle

[QUOTE=_Perses_ - Lost City;13965851PvP - http://pwcalc.com/d3f6bc7bc326057a
Hoping somebody else can improve on that if possible...idk. I ain't great when it comes to sharding for a sin....[/QUOTE]

http://pwcalc.com/68b5aab023bc2e83

done

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Lol, did you seriously just add barb and cleric buffs to his build and say "done"? Not sure 1.33 aps base is as pro as you think it is...

Gotta go with Skai's build. Of course, the odd's of getting sac strike and 2 x -int are... 1:216 ? Hence why this is a "money is not an option" fantasy build.

http://pwcalc.com/72889472f8876763 Skai's Build.

Odds are if you go G15 daggers you are aiming for -.05 and to use cube neck and warsong belt for a more defensive build. Rank 9 out DDs G15 (unless 2 x -.05 and GoF) but to get 4.0 you would have to use TT99 neck and belt, giving you lower defenses. I'd say G15 and cube neck/warsong belt for PvP, Rank 9 and TT99 neck and belt for PvE

Wrong and Wrong.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Would you like to backup why a G16 weapon with higher base dmg, GoF, and +30 attack levels is out DD'd by a G15 with with random stats or just sound ignorant?

Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »

fixed, you do the math and try, g15 will out dps the r9 with those adds.

I'll do it for you, but correct me if i'm wrong. (this being done with GoF at 30% proc, also being done sparked cos single pve, when are you not sparked?)

Dark Death Thorns
(((21,312-26008)/2)*1.59)= 37,619.4
((37,619.4*1.30)*1.32)= 64,554.9
64,554.9*5= 322,774.5 DPS


R9 Daggers
(((21,735+25822)/2)*1.89)= 44,941.4
((44,941.4*1.30)*1.33)= 77,703.6
77,703.6*4= 310,814.5 DPS

Just incase you couldn't tell
(((min attack+max attack)/2)*attack level)=a
((a*GoF Proc)*crit rate)=b
b*aps=c

/charthingys

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

http://pwcalc.com/a57485b9f33061a4 G15s
( 17403+20829)/2 = 19116 average damage
19116 x 1.3 GoF x 1.37 crit rate x 5 aps = 170228 dps

http://pwcalc.com/88efaf144b73f252 Rank 9
(18203+22215)/2 = 20209 average damage
20209 x 1.3 GoF x 1.37 crit x 4 aps x 30 attack levels =187159 dps

Well, theres actual pw calcs so we have actual numbers to refer to that weren't pulled from...somewhere. In this case, Rank 9 out dps's G15s, although I'm honestly surprised how close G15 holds up. Considering I used attack levels as a 1:1 amp (one attack level increases dmg 1%) where it actually has diminishing returns and 30 attack levels would be more like a 22% increase if wearing a Jones Blessing. G15 would also have a secondary item add-ons that might help increase its dmg. It's pretty close (a 9% dps difference) in this scenario but +12ing decreases the difference and other factors prolly make G15 and Rank 9 about equal dps.

In pk I'd favor the Rank 9. It has lower aps but dph is higher which is nice for spike dmg in pk. Also, the attack levels would go towards reducing opponents def levels instead of diminished attack levels.

Um... So wait, you change the whole scenario to one that clearly favors the R9 and then you declare that you're right and the other person is wrong?

Put both of them +12, with 2x Drakeflames, Jones' Blessing and 24 DoTs, plus adding a 130 max damage mod to the DDT and you get this against this. Both builds have the same Crit rate and the GoF proc, so you can actually drop those mods, as they would do nothing but scale the difference. So, with that in mind, we get the following numbers:

R9: ((21612+25624)/2)*1.89*4 = 178,552.08
G15: ((21089+25814)/2*1.59*5 = 186,439.425

If you were to add the crit% and GoF proc here, all they would do is multiply each of these numbers with exactly the same multipliers, as both setups have the same crit% and GoF, so the actual difference wouldn't change.

Of course, in practice, there's a ton of things you could argue to be wrong. For example, would you really shard 24 DoTs on a demon? Would you really bother putting 2 Drakeflames into the weapon? Is it even realistic to think that you'd land a very specific set of modifiers on rolling your Dark Death Thorn? Does any of that even matter as anything outside of a theoretical possibility?

Especially the last one. Because really, the difference here isn't even 10% and the damage numbers are already freaking monstrous.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

http://pwcalc.com/a57485b9f33061a4 G15s
( 17403+20829)/2 = 19116 average damage
19116 x 1.3 GoF x 1.37 crit rate x 5 aps = 170228 dps

http://pwcalc.com/88efaf144b73f252 Rank 9
(18203+22215)/2 = 20209 average damage
20209 x 1.3 GoF x 1.37 crit x 4 aps x 30 attack levels =187159 dps

Well, theres actual pw calcs so we have actual numbers to refer to that weren't pulled from...somewhere. In this case, Rank 9 out dps's G15s, although I'm honestly surprised how close G15 holds up. Considering I used attack levels as a 1:1 amp (one attack level increases dmg 1%) where it actually has diminishing returns and 30 attack levels would be more like a 22% increase if wearing a Jones Blessing. G15 would also have a secondary item add-ons that might help increase its dmg. It's pretty close (a 9% dps difference) in this scenario but +12ing decreases the difference and other factors prolly make G15 and Rank 9 about equal dps.

In pk I'd favor the Rank 9. It has lower aps but dph is higher which is nice for spike dmg in pk. Also, the attack levels would go towards reducing opponents def levels instead of diminished attack levels.

So you completely tamper with the build just so r9 dps number is higher? I lol'd. b:bye

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I used a pretty standard build, and admitted G15 holds up to R9. As Oblaze points out, if you throw some stats out the window, or shard pure DoT, or use Drakeflame G12 stones with +12 refines G15 catches up. I also said that in my post. I gave the reason I would favor R9 as "better" in pk because even when G15 catches up in dps, R9 has higher dph. I forgot to say that for PvE I'd probably pick G15s because I could swap belt and necks and drop to 4.0 when I needed more def.

You said "wrong and wrong" and gave me a pure DoT hyper dex build. It wasn't wrong, but admitted that R9 didn't blow G15 out the water and G15 can out DD R9 in some builds. What's the problem?

The OP didn't ask for standard. Although, if money isn't an issue, you'd have both daggers. b:victory

byron19973 wrote: »

i said NOT 5aps...

and i would like to point out that these daggers
http://pwcalc.com/10b7b942475e0fb8
could possibly be better than r9 and g15

lol go talk with Accelerator on Heaven's Tear.....oh wait...you can't. He quit after he bout, refined them to +12 and sharded them with drakeflame stones.


Oh did I mention he still couldn't beat a r9 dagger weilding sin in PK?


Oblaze: Truthfully said, no it wouldn't get him multiple r9 daggers if he bout all the chips during the sale. But the coin ratio on the fragment exchange is damn nutz....so that might be the part that could get him multiple r9's.

I usually know what I read.

Rarely is an occasion where I misread b:surrender

Oh well xD I tried.

I'm too lazy to do the math but.. Warsoul dagger has 20% more attack lvls & higher base dmg, while Rank 9 Daggers 1 out of 2/3 hits will do 100% dmg from either crit or zerk & 1 out of 4/5 hits will do 200% dmg from zerk & crit proc at same time. Basing the 1/2& 1/4 with average crit & proc rate of 30% Although an end game sin will have atleast 35% crit. If you use powerdash, you will see a massive zerk+crit stack one after another making the r.9 superior over the warsoul daggers.

So in 3 hits Warsoul Dagger would've done 60% more attack & 120% if crit while in 3 hits Rank9 daggers would'ver done 100% dmg from either zerk or crit or 200% dmg if both procs every 3 hit.

Well, if you combine the fact that zerk is kind of like crit rate +30%, you'd get 65% chance to do 2x dmg & 32.5% to do 4x dmg.

I'd go for this:

http://pwcalc.com/194df99c335274a0

23975-28410 sparked, 99 atack level b:pleased

nice necro and

http://pwcalc.com/a0d276aef99a76bd

.15 = .05 add and set bonus of .1 for 3 pieces and 77 vit on boots is for 1000 hp set bonus too. Have a nice day

MoonMio - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Mine looks better
http://pwcalc.com/719795a301b0cf26
5aps sage b:shutup

And realistically impossible.