Best r9 class for TW?

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edited June 2011 in General Discussion
What is the best r9 class weapon for TW?
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    endlesstorture wrote: »
    What is the best r9 class weapon for TW?

    Wizards. No doubt.
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  • Lulznotwar - Lost City
    Lulznotwar - Lost City Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wizards. No doubt.

    i disagree, R9 psys dominate much more than wizzies do due to all their reflective buffs, and overall they have a higher damage output
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  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Lulznotwar - Lost City wrote: »
    i disagree, R9 psys dominate much more than wizzies do due to all their reflective buffs, and overall they have a higher damage output

    This answer is wrong. Psys dominate 1v1 pvp for the above reasons.

    In TW, the psys smaller aoes that don't do as much damage as the wizzies do, and they don't kill as many people.

    Don't get me wrong, I personally believe psy is the best r9 class/all around option, but in TW I feel wizards just own it with their ultimates and dph skills.
  • Lulznotwar - Lost City
    Lulznotwar - Lost City Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    This answer is wrong. Psys dominate 1v1 pvp for the above reasons.

    In TW, the psys smaller aoes that don't do as much damage as the wizzies do, and they don't kill as many people.

    Don't get me wrong, I personally believe psy is the best r9 class/all around option, but in TW I feel wizards just own it with their ultimates and dph skills.

    Yes Psys may have less AoE damage, but when 90% of the time your AoE oneshots i dont really think it matters, second of all Wizzies have SO much less survivability against sins/APS classes than psys do. They have 8 second immunity from phys damage, Reflect stuns/seals/damage + they actually do more damage than wizzies do. They have the ability to hit around 120-130+ defense levels while still having 20 or so attack levels.

    Coming from my own TW experience, our whole guild pretty well got held up on an attacking TW by a single Psy due to his ability to SPAM the hell out of his AoEs and take out all those trying to kill him through reflect etc. Wizzies not so much.

    Any R9 is damn scary, but a Psy scares me so much more so than a wizzy
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    This answer is wrong. Psys dominate 1v1 pvp for the above reasons.

    In TW, the psys smaller aoes that don't do as much damage as the wizzies do, and they don't kill as many people.

    Don't get me wrong, I personally believe psy is the best r9 class/all around option, but in TW I feel wizards just own it with their ultimates and dph skills.
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  • Tremblewith - Heavens Tear
    Tremblewith - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,558 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Wizards, hands down. Gotta love getting two shot w/ a charm on.
  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I don't see how this is even a discussion.. the buffs on a +12 psy can seal you and deal 5k+ reflect damage if you so much as make eye contact with them. Yes, wizzies have a higher potential damage and wider aoes, but psy aoes are infinitely more spammable and have little in the way of channeling.

    BIDS is a giant blue neon arrow that says: stun me or i kill you all in the 30 minutes it takes for me to finish casting this skill. Wizzies in tw hide behind the masses and pretty much try to build up enough chi for ulti's. Psys can run up, immune pot, fire off 4 or 5 aoes and wipe a DD squad.

    This is all while not even mentioning that psychics are infinitely more difficult to kill than wizards. Veno's can't purge them, you get insta-sealed when attacking them, and inevitably end up taking more damage from their reflect than you deal. The only time I managed to solo kill a full +12 in tw involved me sparking and domaining to avoid his reflect and seal buffs..

    If GMs made psy buffs purge-able, it might be a different story..

    EDIT: I haven't done the math, but I'm pretty sure stone smasher in black voodoo can out damage a wiz ulti.. It at least comes close to BIDS. Red Tide is a 50k+ DOT over 9 seconds, conveniently shorter than the time it takes for your charm to tick. Earth Vector has a 6 second stun (longest ranged stun in the game) that costs one spark and has a 20 second cooldown (sage has 50% chance to consume no chi). Psy will > earth vector > stone smasher > red tide > 27 more aoes > ironguard > 32 more aoes > earth vector > white voodoo and start over again. Psys > wizzies
  • _VENDOR_ - Lost City
    _VENDOR_ - Lost City Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    pressing a single button to kill someone doesn't really show skill though.....
  • WhiteScreen - Harshlands
    WhiteScreen - Harshlands Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    _VENDOR_ - Lost City wrote: »
    pressing a single button to kill someone doesn't really show skill though.....

    +1

    Too many players are just overgeared... but nm. U still can kill those noobs with a good placed CC. I'd say Wizzards are more powerfl in TWs due to they have more CCs and even without r9 they can go with pressing tab + 2 skills throught the battlefield. Imo cash wont win every battle if the oppenents would use their spells more overthought. usually most are scared and lose concentration.
    Mage > Archer > Psychic due to burstdamage, CC and survival
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Wizards have the higher DPH, but psychics have significantly more AOE's (higher damage output to groups of people over time) without consuming chi, a handful that are highly damaging and do consume chi, and have far better survivability.

    Few people mention archers, but rest assured, they're dangerous.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    R9 Psy with IG and Black Voodoo is going to take out 4-5 squads in the time for a R9 Wiz to overkill 2.
  • Abstractive - Archosaur
    Abstractive - Archosaur Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    This is the Rank 9 class that will own anyone in TW.

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  • CandyCorn - Raging Tide
    CandyCorn - Raging Tide Posts: 1,547 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Rank 9 psy would be the best. They have fast channeling and can attack from a far (with an aoe too). Wizzies channel to slow (even with channeling gear someone can easily stun them and kill them). Archers are good too but yeah.
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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    They're different purposes. Neither is better than the other. The only arguably useless TW class is sins, and everyone else plays a part. Wizzies, Archers and Psys would probably be the most fun to play though since they're the main DDs.

    If a r9 +12 wiz AOEs something, that target and the ones around it are going down for sure.
    A Psy can buff the cata barb and drastically increase his life expectancy all otherwise, and a Psy's AOEs are better crowd control: a 6 second immobilize with 8 second cooldown and a 6 second stun with 20 second cooldown. Pretty damn useful.
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  • Saintblu - Sanctuary
    Saintblu - Sanctuary Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    All you guys are a bunch of noobs xD. JK but Wizards are the best for tws they have stronger aoes then psychics and the rumors that psychics hit harder then wizard is false. The reason many people think that is because most wizard don't use their ultimates like psychics do. Psy can spam their ultimate do to the instant casting but if you compare the wizard Ultimate to the psychic Ultimate the wizard hit waaay harder. You can't compare a skill like gush(Low lvl wizard skill) Yo a skill like Earth Vextor(Psy Ultimate). Thats the reason many people think psychic hit harder when really a wizard does.
  • Salasyn - Heavens Tear
    Salasyn - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Archer/Psy...that R9 archer barrage is a frickin pain to not have to deal with, since you are dead in one round of barrage anyway.

    /if you have average gear
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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Saintblu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    All you guys are a bunch of noobs xD. JK but Wizards are the best for tws they have stronger aoes then psychics and the rumors that psychics hit harder then wizard is false. The reason many people think that is because most wizard don't use their ultimates like psychics do.

    Stopped reading there.
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  • ProtocoI - Harshlands
    ProtocoI - Harshlands Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    Stopped reading there.

    Quoted for truth
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  • Evict - Heavens Tear
    Evict - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,301 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    R9 Venos > everything. This includes credit card.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Archer Wizard and psychic are the big 3 for TW at the moment.

    I think when Seekers get their R9 zerk sword their attacks might become pretty impressive as well.
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  • Michael - Harshlands
    Michael - Harshlands Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Honestly I have never seen a rank9 psy worth his gear in action (only real rank9 psy on harshlands is dian and 1-2 people can focus fire him down without real issues).

    Personally I feel archers are the biggest core of TW, if you have good archers your going to do well without them your going to have issues.

    But all guilds need everything but sins to be effective in TW, sins are just a waste of a TW spot that could be better used by leaving it empty (no really im not kidding)
  • ReMakaBo - Archosaur
    ReMakaBo - Archosaur Posts: 845 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    All of em are OP against anything none r9. They tab and 1-shoot. Who can do that better? I supose a monkey that has been through some N.A.S.A. training, but really....
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  • /Groovy/ - Harshlands
    /Groovy/ - Harshlands Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Archer.

    This: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/28511

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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    A DD, no doubt
    Psy, archer, wizzy.

    Though each has theyr own powers from rank9.
    Rank9 bow hurts like hell when it procs, and it will proc.

    Rank9 wizzy simply 1shots everything

    Rank9 psy is anoying as hell with high soulforce and stuf (and also hurts)
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  • LadySam - Heavens Tear
    LadySam - Heavens Tear Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    how about venos b:surrender
    R9 veno + nix ....
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    LadySam - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    how about venos b:surrender
    R9 veno + nix ....

    Yep those R9 nixes really hurt! R9 purge is also insanely powerful. Don't get me started on R9 bramble D:
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  • _Belgarion_ - Dreamweaver
    _Belgarion_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I think R9 Seekers will be pretty damned good. Imagine a Sage seeker with full R9 + def buff + Gemini Strike (base phy + 450% weapon + 5500) as an AoE from range. Add in 2 other non-spark AoEs, a 1 spark AoE and 2 2 spark AoEs and you have the potential for some pretty serious damage.
  • _Leif - Lost City
    _Leif - Lost City Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Saintblu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    All you guys are a bunch of noobs xD. JK but Wizards are the best for tws they have stronger aoes then psychics and the rumors that psychics hit harder then wizard is false. The reason many people think that is because most wizard don't use their ultimates like psychics do. Psy can spam their ultimate do to the instant casting but if you compare the wizard Ultimate to the psychic Ultimate the wizard hit waaay harder. You can't compare a skill like gush(Low lvl wizard skill) Yo a skill like Earth Vextor(Psy Ultimate). Thats the reason many people think psychic hit harder when really a wizard does.

    Skill description for the psychic move "Stone Smasher":

    Use all of one's energy to invoke the spirit of the Mountain.
    Slams the target and all enemies around it.
    Attack all enemy targets within 8 meters,
    dealing damage based on your attack, plus 400%
    gear's magical attack and 10253.1 Earth damage.
    Reduces target's attack speed by 30% for 8 seconds.

    Costs 2 Sparks

    Seeing as psychics have 25 more base attack levels than wizards regardless of gear, I'm almost positive they can out damage anything with this aoe. The only thing that could reliably deal more damage would be sage BIDS, and that's while crossing your fingers for a crit.
  • Buxinho - Sanctuary
    Buxinho - Sanctuary Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Abstractive - Archosaur wrote: »
    This is the Rank 9 class that will own anyone in TW.

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/2374657184_79df526bce.jpg

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  • Chickpea - Lost City
    Chickpea - Lost City Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Most classes are kinda "best" for TW since you cant do it without them. Just sins that sucks and have no purpose in there at all.

    But i assume "best" means getting the most kills? Best for TW and group PvP in general would be a R9 Psy than. Second choice would be Archer or Wiz, depending on your preferred role in TW.

    Wizards have the ability to hit harder than any other class but a 80v80 TW is a lag + interrupt fest and when you need 6 sec and 2 sparks to get your ulti of its rather tricky to do it continuously. It takes some planning and positioning for a wiz to drop a crowd, making them less effective killing machines than Psychics for most parts.

    To outshine a Psy in TW as a Wizard you need to be a skilled player to begin with, you also need a supportive party that saves your butt and helps you to control the targets. Most players will never be in a good TW squad tho lol. Thats why i would say Psy is the best R9 class for TW.

    Archers are very good to, but they have a different role and a different purpose than casters so its pretty hard to compare what is best.

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