Best r9 class for TW?

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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Seeker's damage is really sad. I guess my Seeker will stay at 62. I finally ran into a couple of R8 Seeker lately and their Gemini hits me for about 2-3k unbuffed with magic Marrow on
  • Dralighte - Harshlands
    Dralighte - Harshlands Posts: 1,540 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    So_Sick_Er - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Lawl..imma laugh my *** off when they implement earthguards' rank 9..and it will make wizards n psychics look weak compared to them.

    try killing a rank 9 seeker with 95 def lvl 95 attack lvl with 20k hp with 24k phy def n 11k mag def.....good luck people xD

    oh and i forgot.....seekers r the only class who have mag attack and have god of frenzy on their sword .....imagine zerk critting with mag atacks and phy attacks to a mass group in TW. oh and i forgot...gemini slash hits like a truck to arcanes and requires no spark....n is spammable every 15 secs...oh and talk about its range...

    actually, I never saw any useful seekers at TW.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Seeker's damage is really sad. I guess my Seeker will stay at 62. I finally ran into a couple of R8 Seeker lately and their Gemini hits me for about 2-3k unbuffed with magic Marrow on

    They're a pain to kill w/o CC though

    (yup I came back blame Fleuri)
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    They're a pain to kill w/o CC though

    (yup I came back blame Fleuri)

    Right now I adapted to just say "**** it" and actually cast DBB (after they used their genie so they can't domain out of lock). The catch is need about 2.5 sparks to start with to keep them there for about 15 seconds.
  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited June 2011
    ^^ Oh look! our scrap book PvPer is here!. Scribble on pokemon gawd!

    Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »
    actually, I never saw any useful seekers at TW.

    Then you are clueless to whats usefull in TW..
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Right now I adapted to just say "**** it" and actually cast DBB (after they used their genie so they can't domain out of lock). The catch is need about 2.5 sparks to start with to keep them there for about 15 seconds.

    I just pop HF and use metal sharded calams for expel, wood pots for HA classes (no real need to defensivly apoc on those to begin with)

    Not a replacement for CC but w/e
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  • FateMakerr - Heavens Tear
    FateMakerr - Heavens Tear Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    eh, seekers don't have enough pewpew.

    Dmg wise:
    Wizzy > Psy > Who cares.

    However, psy is the obvious choice due to their far better survivability.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    brent40 wrote: »
    Then you are clueless to whats usefull in TW..

    They have, what, 2 ranged AoEs? One mainly physical and other metal. Neither one are very impressive damage wise. Gemini might be the only one worth using on groups of AA and LA.

    Their 2 close ranged AoEs are not only weaker than BM's but running up in TW using those in TW is pretty much suicide since you either have 4 seconds of anti stun from Sage sprint or somehow at below 40% hp for 79 anti stun.

    Their single target skills like Battousai and Staggering Strike are considerably weaker than just Pyrogram and Gush. Heartseeker hits so much weaker than Will of the Phoenix or Glacial Snare.

    That on top of the fact that casters get 1 damage multiplier per 100 MAG while Seeker needs 150 STR, while Archer will have much more DEX and therefore base damage and crit than Seeker.

    Unless their weapon zerk 100% of the time, Seeker's damage is laughable.
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I just pop HF and use metal sharded calams for expel, wood pots for HA classes (no real need to defensivly apoc on those to begin with)

    Not a replacement for CC but w/e
    Fire shard didn't work through Expel with Bash last time I tried so...
  • ProtocoI - Harshlands
    ProtocoI - Harshlands Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »
    Except for their meh 3.3 sec cast time ult nuke, seekers get some pretty lackluster damage bonuses. I've dueled a couple R9 BM's with +10 cleavers, and they hit for around 1.5-2.5k without crits. A lot of the seeker skills have similar bonuses as axe. Hardest I've ever been hit was 8.5k from a zerk crit dragon, but then that skill gets fairly decent modifiers. And if I had barb buff, I would have survived it.

    Keep in mind I don't have a single piece of Nirvana or R9 gear.

    If you're not fist or dagger or bow as a melee endgame, you can gtfo.

    Some skills yes but Gemini slash gives 450% damage plus addition damage + (if they use soulsever stance at time) more metal damage + minus 10 attack and defense levels gone... I wanna know which BM skill comes close to that which is spam able, and then we can switch stances to northern waltz to decrease you defense levels even more and hit u again with Gemini or any combo of skills if u didn't fall the first time.

    Endgame weapons +12 on a seeker with zerk and high weapon damage??? That spells virtually instant 1-3 shot kill on all arcanes and LA.
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  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited June 2011
    They have, what, 2 ranged AoEs? One mainly physical and other metal. Neither one are very impressive damage wise. Gemini might be the only one worth using on groups of AA and LA.

    I guess destroying a group of LAs/ and AAs isnt usefull?


    The last guy said there was no use for them. sorry but ANY aoe damage in TW is usefull. And a seekers 4 seconds from unfetter + a genie skill + apoth + sage blade affinity, he can be a pain in the *** with Vortex alone, not to mention edge blur working together with those other useless AoEs you sputtered out. And the seekers biggest abilty is to shoot out all the sub-par low damage nukes, in a matter of seconds, meaning 2/3k dealing damage skills can rack up pretty quick. I suppose you are all use to the one click, go make a sammich, come back see skill finally hit for 10k type casters.


    I would answer the rest of your drivel, but as long as you think you know it all, you will.



    And to the dumbass BM throwing a HF on a seeker, nub move..b:laugh quit relying on that one skill to be anything. Its simple, its not your job in TW to go attacking other HAs, you are wasting the TWs time. Just like the seeker's usefulness isn't to nuke BMs for 2-3k damage, but to apply that to Nuke the nukers that use to nuke HAs..
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    brent40 wrote: »
    I guess destroying a group of LAs/ and AAs isnt usefull?


    The last guy said there was no use for them. sorry but ANY aoe damage in TW is usefull. And a seekers 4 seconds from unfetter + a genie skill + apoth + sage blade affinity, he can be a pain in the *** with Vortex alone, not to mention edge blur working together with those other useless AoEs you sputtered out. And the seekers biggest abilty is to shoot out all the sub-par low damage nukes, in a matter of seconds, meaning 2/3k dealing damage skills can rack up pretty quick. I suppose you are all use to the one click, go make a sammich, come back see skill finally hit for 10k type casters.

    Or a wizz or rank 9 psy can just 1 shot the group, or an archer can demon QS>lolturret. All for less effort at a longer range than aseeker with a higher sucess rate

    I would answer the rest of your drivel, but as long as you think you know it all, you will.



    And to the dumbass BM throwing a HF on a seeker, nub move..b:laugh quit relying on that one skill to be anything Ok, QPQ my HF while your stuned, GL with that.. Its simple, its not your job in TW to go attacking other HAs, you are wasting the TWs time. Just like the seeker's usefulness isn't to nuke BMs for 2-3k damage, but to apply that to Nuke the nukers that use to nuke HAs..

    Never met a seeker that made me think "hey this might be a threat i should go buy a charm" much less one who could actually kill me.
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  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Never met a seeker that made me think "hey this might be a threat i should go buy a charm" much less one who could actually kill me.

    Maybe you dealt with nothng but nub seekers. Or even worse dealt with demon seekers trying to build APS. But when A BM comes running, most seekers hit thier sage unfetter OOOPS b:chuckle broke your stunlock idea (returns your HF). Which then gives that seeker time to tap the edge blur button. Then they will follow it with sage blade affinity OOOOPSb:chuckle your shat might stick 50% of the time.... (some may even back that up with genie/apoth) So while you are sitting there trying to tap away with you wittle fisties. You have huge amounts of metal damage tapping back every 3 seconds, not to mention this said seeker is now virtually insta cast state. So he could unleash 4 of his biggest hiting skills back to back. So I guess your best bet is to run like hell!...but then again, they could get 4 more seconds out of ya and hold ya there for another edgeblur tick... Or maybe just heartseeker you there to enjoy all the benefits they have to offer.


    Wow textbook PvP is funz! Okeano we shud start a HTML based PvP server we can sit here for days typing out what we could do in any scenerio lulz?!
  • NOTREAL - Archosaur
    NOTREAL - Archosaur Posts: 194 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Never met a seeker that made me think "hey this might be a threat i should go buy a charm" much less one who could actually kill me.

    This. Any seeker is equivalent gear to my own has always been laughable aside that 1 OP AoE they occasionally pull off.

    And R9 seeker however would be like any other R9: OP to all non R9s and an R9 Psychics playtoy.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    brent40 wrote: »
    Maybe you dealt with nothng but nub seekers. Or even worse dealt with demon seekers trying to build APS. But when A BM comes running, most seekers hit thier sage unfetter OOOPS b:chuckle broke your stunlock idea (returns your HF). Which then gives that seeker time to tap the edge blur button. Then they will follow it with sage blade affinity OOOOPSb:chuckle your shat might stick 50% of the time.... (some may even back that up with genie/apoth) So while you are sitting there trying to tap away with you wittle fisties. You have huge amounts of metal damage tapping back every 3 seconds, not to mention this said seeker is now virtually insta cast state. So he could unleash 4 of his biggest hiting skills back to back. So I guess your best bet is to run like hell!...but then again, they could get 4 more seconds out of ya and hold ya there for another edgeblur tick... Or maybe just heartseeker you there to enjoy all the benefits they have to offer.


    Wow textbook PvP is funz! Okeano we shud start a HTML based PvP server we can sit here for days typing out what we could do in any scenerio lulz?!

    Or the bm could not be an idiot watch your first buff and just lock you to death.
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  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited June 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Or the bm could not be an idiot watch your first buff and just lock you to death.

    Yes keep your eye on that buff!


    Lol...so you think because you wont be an idiot the seeker will be?

    All the omagaw so pr0 players on these forums!

    All in SZ tapping out how they can beat someone on the forums lulz lulz lulz.b:shocked
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    brent40 wrote: »
    I guess destroying a group of LAs/ and AAs isnt usefull?

    And to the dumbass BM throwing a HF on a seeker, nub move..b:laugh quit relying on that one skill to be anything. Its simple, its not your job in TW to go attacking other HAs, you are wasting the TWs time. Just like the seeker's usefulness isn't to nuke BMs for 2-3k damage, but to apply that to Nuke the nukers that use to nuke HAs..
    Ok, you make a Seeker just to spam Gemini. Show me some SS of Gemini's impressive damage.
    brent40 wrote: »
    And a seekers 4 seconds from unfetter + a genie skill + apoth + sage blade affinity, he can be a pain in the *** with Vortex alone, not to mention edge blur working together with those other useless AoEs you sputtered out.
    Vortex is a joke... What are you going to use it on? You going to set it on cata Barbs like Wiz doing DB? Since 4 seconds of anti stun won't even get you half way to a group, you need to use apoc every time for anti stun, which means no IG for you. Smack from a BM running by or a seal from Wiz and GG Vortex. Besides, you run into a group to Vortex and no IG, they holy path away then nuke you lolz.

    brent40 wrote: »
    Wow textbook PvP is funz! Okeano we shud start a HTML based PvP server we can sit here for days typing out what we could do in any scenerio lulz?!
    Or you can find me a Seeker on HL that even come close to a challenge for my 8.5k HP BM lol.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    brent40 wrote: »
    Yes keep your eye on that buff!


    Lol...so you think because you wont be an idiot the seeker will be?

    All the omagaw so pr0 players on these forums!

    All in SZ tapping out how they can beat someone on the forums lulz lulz lulz.b:shocked

    super complicated combo vs... the simplest thing imaginable

    guess what tactic wins? (hint its the one that dosent involve the oponent beign a complete fail at their class)

    on a side note <3 okeano, roll on sanc so i can 1v1 you!
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  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited June 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Ok, you make a Seeker just to spam Gemini. Show me some SS of Gemini's impressive damage.Re-read what I posted, and in context with what you posted about your BM....read it very slowly to comprhend it. I think you got all sweaty and excited, like a nerd over a elite pokemon card, and lost conection to the discussion.


    Vortex is a joke... What are you going to use it on? You going to set it on cata Barbs like Wiz doing DB? Since 4 seconds of anti stun won't even get you half way to a group, you need to use apoc every time for anti stun, which means no IG for you. Smack from a BM running by or a seal from Wiz and GG Vortex. Besides, you run into a group to Vortex and no IG, they holy path away then nuke you lolz. Tele into a group of people rushing through a gate, dropping vortex, with tanglng mire? Ive seen seekers drop more then 8 people at once...sure they may die and get nuked, sacrfice one for 5 or better? BMs been doing it for how long to deliever a HF to a group? Oh wait, are you one those fail BMs that run around glory killing one at a time, and somehow call that pr0.



    Or you can find me a Seeker on HL that even come close to a challenge for my 8.5k HP BM lol.Lol, so far most seekers on HL has expressed the typical stupidity that comes from that server. So it is no suprise there are nothing but fail of any class.

    On a side note, I don't even play that class b:chuckle to me its another nuker. and boreing. But I lulz at BMs still trying to hang on...its quite cute actually.
  • ProtocoI - Harshlands
    ProtocoI - Harshlands Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Okeano bro I'll be there soon enough. Once I hit 90-100 when I get back we'll have some pk battles on my seeker, for old times sake lol
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  • So_Sick_Er - Raging Tide
    So_Sick_Er - Raging Tide Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Lol most ppl who say seekers suck are from pvp servers n its sad they know nothing about us...

    I can one shot any and all pro *** bms by hitting them for 15k+..wanna know how? n no i dont use gemini slash to one shot bms..

    3 spark + fortify(lvl 1 only) + quid pro + blade affinity + extreme poison + ion spike one shots most phy classes and if tht doesn't one shot, use battousai n u will die instantly..
    all i m saying is just cuz u've nvr met seeker who know wtf they're doing doesn't mean seekers suck lol
    its a shame ppl dont know the true potential of a seeker..just like they used to say sins sucked balls till someone reached 5 aps n started wtf pwning everyone at pvp lol
    n seeker is no different...no 5 aps sins or bms or barbs can kill us seekers at pvp if u got some immune to stun apocs with u and know wtf ur doing..

    wanna know how seekers r at TW? watch the TW vid below tht i did this past week..while ur at it, watch some other TW vids tht i made n come lets talk :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3shxRLz3Zk
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    brent40 wrote: »
    On a side note, I don't even play that class b:chuckle to me its another nuker. and boreing. But I lulz at BMs still trying to hang on...its quite cute actually.

    It's a "nuker" with one AoE and no crowd control. Now no class is "useless", per se, since something in TW is always better than nothing. But when you are comparing them to the other 3 DD classes, they are far less useful in TW.
    So_Sick_Er - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I can one shot any and all pro *** bms by hitting them for 15k+..wanna know how? n no i dont use gemini slash to one shot bms..

    3 spark + fortify(lvl 1 only) + quid pro + blade affinity + extreme poison + ion spike one shots most phy classes and if tht doesn't one shot, use battousai n u will die instantly..
    all i m saying is just cuz u've nvr met seeker who know wtf they're doing doesn't mean seekers suck lol
    Wow, you'll 3 spark and hit me for 180% weapon damage + 3900? Oh nose what will I do? Hmm I could do the same thing when other classes tries to 3 spark and hit me for 300% weapon damage + 6171 like Wiz or 200% weapon damage + 6365 like Cleric's Wield Thunder. Or I could just stand there and do nothing even tho you haven't stunned or sealed me. I guess whenever a class triple sparks, BM is screwed.
  • So_Sick_Er - Raging Tide
    So_Sick_Er - Raging Tide Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Here are the SS of some of the Dmg tht i did to bms..
    n yes they're all bms..i love fighting bms with my seeker. u might say tht my seeker didn't do tht dmg but idc cuz i know i can do it n here's the proof :)

    http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab152/kiranpachhai/seekertakes19k.jpg
    http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab152/kiranpachhai/kentakes14k.jpg
    http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab152/kiranpachhai/epic12k.jpg
    http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab152/kiranpachhai/bryantakes19k.jpg
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    So_Sick_Er - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Here are the SS of some of the Dmg tht i did to bms..
    n yes they're all bms..i love fighting bms with my seeker. u might say tht my seeker didn't do tht dmg but idc cuz i know i can do it n here's the proof :)

    http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab152/kiranpachhai/seekertakes19k.jpg
    http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab152/kiranpachhai/kentakes14k.jpg
    http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab152/kiranpachhai/epic12k.jpg
    http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab152/kiranpachhai/bryantakes19k.jpg

    Impressive. Now of course I have no way of knowing who those BMs are, so I went on ranking of RT. Is the ranking working correctly? The top kill count of BM on RT is at only 2.7k? Now none of the BM in the SS are in the ranking, which means that they could have less than 500 kills for as far as we know. RT's been out for over a year now, and my 92 BM on DW (PvE server), who never did a TW (TW kill counts to ranking) that was played for 10 months would rank 4th with kills? For all I know they just stood there and tried to punch you as you triple sparked.
  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited June 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Impressive. Now of course I have no way of knowing who those BMs are, so I went on ranking of RT. Is the ranking working correctly? The top kill count of BM on RT is at only 2.7k? Now none of the BM in the SS are in the ranking, which means that they could have less than 500 kills for as far as we know. RT's been out for over a year now, and my 92 BM on DW (PvE server), who never did a TW (TW kill counts to ranking) that was played for 10 months would rank 4th with kills? For all I know they just stood there and tried to punch you as you triple sparked.

    What if he was doing a damage test? Seems valid considering the argument.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I am seeing 6k ish damage and 12k crits in the TW video. How refined is your weapon btw?
    brent40 wrote: »
    What if he was doing a damage test? Seems valid considering the argument.

    I know when I do damage test, I have my target hits me too.
  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited June 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    It's a "nuker" with one AoE and no crowd control. Now no class is "useless", per se, since something in TW is always better than nothing. But when you are comparing them to the other 3 DD classes, they are far less useful in TW.

    .

    But now you are compareing apples and oranges. a DD class like a wiz doing x amount a dmage is double that to what a seeker apears to can do why? A wiz motive is to attack enemies with upwards to 20-40k HP...

    A seeker's motive and skills are inline to attack those with 8k -13k HP....
  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited June 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    I am seeing 6k ish damage and 12k crits in the TW video. How refined is your weapon btw?



    I know when I do damage test, I have my target hits me too.

    Ah! so ya was avoiding his reason to post the screenies to point out he was fighting a fail PvPer...0.o whats the point.



    ooops double post.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    brent40 wrote: »
    Ah! so ya was avoiding his reason to post the screenies to point out he was fighting a fail PvPer...0.o whats the point.



    ooops double post.

    Well if I just stand there and let a caster triple spark on me, I'm sure they'll hit me pretty damn hard. The point is his probability of getting off a triple sparked nuke on someone who's had PvP experience. Back on DW, people actually tanked eachothers demon spark, so idk if they are doing the same on RT.

    Anyways, I'm not close minded about Seeker and won't dismiss the class completely without having tried it first hand at endgame. It's just that from what I see so far, they are not very impressive in TW or PK comparing to other 3 DD classes. Here's a TW video of a R8 Archer. You'll noticed the kills/min is significantly higher.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjNhBkhymLE
  • So_Sick_Er - Raging Tide
    So_Sick_Er - Raging Tide Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    u do know the ranking page stopped working 6 months ago?
    and no tht was in real pvp situation..lol doing a damage test to prove my point is ridiculous..thts so cheap if u ask me
    but ya..if u dont believe those screenies, check out my youtube TW vids xD

    http://www.youtube.com/user/kiranpachhai

    http://www.youtube.com/user/kiranpachhai#p/a/u/0/M3shxRLz3Zk
  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    What kind of weapon are you using? It would have to be a Nirvana sword with zerk crit. I did the numbers, and the only way you could hit a reasonably geared BM that knows what he's doing and doesn't have the wrong marrow on for 16k is with a zerk crit with a +10-ish sword while triple sparked. Actually you could zerk crit a BM like that for close to 18k if he had mediocre elemental defense.

    Still doesn't change my initial argument. The base damage on a triple sparked +10 sword ion spiking a BM is around 4000-4500. My mystic gets those numbers with a 70 vit build and +6 R8 wand triple sparked with the basic 2 sec spam-nuke, and that's without the 20% amp from genie.
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