APS is apparently taking over BH too lol.

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »

Is that to have more xp? Because STA -> TB does make sense otherwise...

Truthfully by the time STA finishes channeling the 15-20% 10/11 STA will mostly be moot since likely over that percentage of damage has been dealt, however, I do see archers STA very quickly and early.

Example, puller pulls mobs, BM stuns, just as BM stuns, archer hits with STA, leaving TB for the HF if there's any at all. That means reduced XP as well. Not so much a big deal for regular mobs at a very high level (as they are ~ lvl 87-89 and thus are constantly getting less XP as one levels up past them), but early on, they are a huge source of XP. It's quite baffling why so many archers don't get why it isn't always a good idea to STA things mindlessly.

RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I was never sure if rumors of less exp from STA was ever proven true or not (didn't keep up with it enough). Though when I used to live in FF on my cleric (way back when exp scrolls was all we really had) Archers and Wizards both knew what to do. Though to be honest, when I recently did a run with a wizard and I was healer (yes, as mystic) I was paranoid they would pull agro during big pulls with DB. They didn't die during the run thankfully. The whole squad knew what to expect of me seeing as I didn't have a real guaranteed purify or BB so they watched their agro well thankfully. But that's been the one run out of so many I've done on my mystic now where we had a wizard lol. And only 2 or 3 with an archer.

People say barbs are harder to find, but it seems to me since I took my 7 month break from the game and came back, they are making a come back. They're not usually as hard to find as they used to be. Not to mention most of the barbs I run into in runs know how to tank which is a relief. Seems like Wizards and perhaps Archers are the less common now.

/offtopic

This was proven true on the Archer forums and the Veno forums.

You can test this out with Veno Sage Soul Degeneration, can test this out with Archer STA. I've taken aside people in FF who challenged that it reduces XP (when I nicely asked not to STA bosses in particular) and showed them myself in a squad on my Archer.

The way to test is..

-Kill mob normally. Record XP.
-Kill the same mob (make sure if you kill a normal one you don't record with a different one like Increased Life or Weak) but use SD/STA as a first hit. Record XP.
-Notice that XP levels are different. Do subtraction. Realize that in an XP instance, in many cases x12, it's a dumb idea over the span of a run taking others into account.

RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've noticed more and more that some people who put together BH squads want sins over other classes. And I'm not talking about 10X BH, just things like BH79 or whatever. I don't know if it's all that common below that.

Just saying that people seem to be more and more self centered. If you need a specific class for Nirvana or FF, something like that, I can understand... but BH? Please. Everything dies fast enough as it is. BH is something we all need, so I don't see why not to invite anyone who happens to need it at the time. I've always been nice about inviting anyone for BHs as long as we have the cleric and tank. Don't see why I can't get the same treatment, yes?

I'm starting to wonder more and more if I should just continue my old level 85 Sin again. I just don't enjoy the gameplay as much as Mystic, Veno, or Cleric. It doesn't seem to need as much thought but it's increasingly the only class people want.

I miss the old days where we only had 6 classes. May not have had Mystics which I love more than the others but, at least back then everything was balanced and fair.

Not trying to bash Sins or people who like them as I know they're really great for squads that need a few hard hitting DDs. I just wish the devs would balance things out more between all the classes so finding squads is more possible for everyone like it used to be.

i do agree with you for the most part on this but if everyone would quit worrying about the aps in the game, it would be better yes i would love to have my aps, but i think if you have aps you should not dis own non aps people, and as far as the bh thing eveyone quit ask for high lvls to help you do it like we did with people our lvl people have gotten to lazy on pwi now

Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »

Said BM should have axes in his hands for at least long enough to drop dragons and then a pole for Glacial. The Deicides wont do ****, even if I were the only DD id take off more than 10% under those conditions.

I'm not sure, but I think a max hp debuff will always reduce exp even if used after the boss/mob already lost those hp. Would have to test to be sure though :O

Meh, I solo FF as well when I want and usually don't care much for the exp loss. lol

HP debuff is epic for TTs though.....

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

False.

XP lost is proportional to HP lost due to max HP reduction. Thus, archers can Thunderous Blast mobs first and then STA following. By the time STA goes off, the HP of the mobs should have dropped below 85% (due to TB and the attacks of the rest of the squad). No XP is lost.

b:thanks ty now I don't have to go test it myself.