HA/AA Veno worth it?

LadyMaraJade - Sanctuary wrote: »

Not fully true Iam a Pure HA Veno (have been from lvl 1 to 100 no restats or anything yet ) and after tanking both Fb 69 & 79 My repair costs where under 25k that with me tanking all the bosses and mobs in foxform ( they may get higher but not allways )


I love been able to mix it up between casting and going into foxform beating mobs and bosses in fox b:cute

Only thing i found been fully HA is magic mobs love ya & hurt b:cry

with all my armour& wep i farmed all mats for them and brought rings robe necklace

I use the 3* mowgai belt
protcetion belt which gives +5 str +5 dex +5 magic
(quest reward)
3* fossile necklace
which gives me +7 vit +5 str +5 dex

If you want to try a HA veno that up to you but it does take bit of planing ahead for armour and gears

zbzkda wrote: »

-> HA+AA mix: A build based on the "HA + AA mix" ideology does not make sense: You can get the same defense backing with an LA build, and you have much more trouble getting gear than when you build with pure HA in mind.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

unless they released a class of invisible physical damage dealers and 90% of the people that pvp switched to this class, then obviously, the build with the most physical defense would be optimal.

zbzkda wrote: »

-> HA+AA mix: A build based on the "HA + AA mix" ideology does not make sense: You can get the same defense backing with an LA build wrong. allow me to direct your attention to the following builds: both lvl 90, and i even changed ornaments on the light armor one to swing things in its favor more: and its still not as good as 2HA+2AA for defenses: HA lvl 90 and LA lvl90 , and you have much more trouble getting gear than when you build with pure HA in mind. at least some part of this paragraph is correct, but at 90+ there's a ton of options available for gears, and alot that are fairly common

-> LA veno: When built well, it will be just like a well done VIT AA veno, but with more crit.wrong again, unless you're figuring on refining the LA and not refining the vitAA veno.

-> VIT AA: Well tried, well tested, more opportunities for -chan, possibly more attack, depending on how aggressively you stat into VIT.

-> DEX AA: Well tried, well tested, same as VIT AA, but with lower HP (doesn't matter you can depend on refines), and much better crit. IMHO, this makes the most sense to me: you get the attack of a VIT arcane, and the crit of an LA veno, but you have excellent magical defense due to AA gear and more chances to get -chan from gear unlike LA. AA w/ dex? /facepalm.

In conclusion, from my POV: Take a VIT-AA, DEX-AA, LA, pure-HA and an HA-AA veno and put them all side by side: again AA w/ dex? /facedesk

Without heavy Cash-shopping
Pure HA: Would have to wear a weapon below his level due to lacking +MAG and no satisfactory tome, since tomes cost a lot. Or if he gets a tome, it'll be after a long, needlessly frustrating gaming experience. Unnecessarily low attack, and just walking through the game chasing a dream of how strong his veno "will be when I get X gear and Y tome so I can FINALLY get a wep for my level". wrong wrong and wrong. i'm currently wearing HH90 glaive AND HH90 heavy armor, and have been doing so since level 90 (currently lv91). a PROPERLY built HA veno is missing barely any mag atk, if any, as compared to say: an LA or VIT AA veno. oh and about the tome: look at my tome in the link for the HA veno of the above comparison: MP recovery (i dont need a stat tome to work). but yea, like any build or any class if its built fail (HA veno with not enough +str/dex/mag bonuses so it can wear current armor AND weapon... or "DEX AA") then it'll be fail.

HA-AA-mix: Same as pure-HA. looks like a not heavily refined HA/AA (2&2) beat LA for defenses and was only missing mag atk b/c of the rings i'm currently wearing, but i can also switch helms and put on my hh90 glaive and do anything any other 90 veno can do. (w/ comparable refines ofc)

LA: Good at lower levels, a bit frustrating at 70-80, then nice as you get your endgame gear. Not too much trouble getting your build together, flexible, nice. no, not flexible, at least as far as what you can do with points. ornaments, headgear, cape: sure. stats: yea you can jimmy a few points from mag to put on strength to wear a warsoul of earth (along with strength bonuses on belt+neck+cape), but there's not much wiggle room at all. one plus (not that my previous point is a con) is that LA is easy to make work properly. generally your lvl +4 for strength and dex (for armors) and the rest to magic (which's usually just enough for current magic weapon).

VIT-AA: Lotsa HP and you feel nice at midrange levels, and you survive nicely. At endgame when you get your good gear you'll just comfortably phase into the extra pdef from your shards and refines on ornaments. Overall very smooth.

DEX-AA: Not much HP, but you'll feel like you're just sacrificing something for now, and later it'll pay off. You crit a good bit, and at around 80 you really start feeling that crit kicking in, and you're happy. When you get your endgame gear you're very happy since you now have about the same attack as a VIT-AA veno...except you have lots of crit. You will get yout HP back with refines, and then take your rightful place as a surprisingly high-hitting veno who everybody thought was just another VIT-AA, but somehow you crit way too much, and it hurts a lot. just.. facedesk. FAIL. next.

With heavy Cash-shopping
Pure-HA veno: You read the thread on the forums and you liked what you saw, so you thought that you'd do an HA veno. You get to about lvl70 and begin to understand the character, and how gear and stats and builds really work, and you realize the attack problem. You can either restat to LA or VIT-AA or spend a bit on packs, get a scroll of tome, and get a +MAG tome, and then from then on, it's smooth sailiing. You do good damage in fox form too, something other venos cannot have the same way that an HA veno has it.i restatted my veno at 72 to heavy armor and have never had an attack problem because it was done right. actually restatted from LA with a huge stack of pdef bonuses on 3* LA's to go heavy, and haven't regretted doing it once. because you dont like it, doesn't mean it doesn't work [aside from "DEX AA".. whiskey tango foxtrot]

HA-AA veno: Pretty much the same as HA-AA: you eventually see the attack anomally and so you CS and buy a good tome and then all your problems are solved. there's no attack anomoly, its all in your head. (i'm talking when the heavy veno's done RIGHT.)

LA: You always have the best LA gear, so you're like an archer with a pet, and since you CS, you have a nix, so you basically enjoy the game through and through. no its like a veno wearing light armor. which works for some, worked for me at ~63 to 65 completely soloing all of fb51 area with zero buffs, no refines, and not even having hp&mp charms.

VIT-AA: You do it, but it's boring, but you like the HP, and you have money anyway, so you can just buy pdef shards and you basically have a PvP veno. Enjoy. seems your opinion is extremely biased toward VIT AA. i can think of several situations where i've survived (both in pvp and pve) where a better geared and well built arcane veno couldn't. vitAA, hybridAA, magAA, LA, HA, HA/AA are all valid builds and armor selections for veno. its what works best for the person using it, how they use it, and if its built right.

DEX-AA: Sort of like LA? Nothing much changes here for a CSer. except still being fail because the points spent on dex on any arcane build would always be better off spent on vit or mag. (yes i finally said the most obvious error in your post)

*** Something very good to mention is that you can get +VIT shards, so a VIT-AA build is pointless to an extent since you can stat those points into DEX and get as much crit as an LA build, and STILL have the VIT of a VIT build from +VIT stones. So win-win. Basically, with VIT stones, a VIT build is pointless so you could use those points elsewhere. see previous comment. even with extra spendable points from sharding the 10vit stones, the points would still be better spent on moar vit or mag. if you want dex go LA.

*** I have personally played my veno as LA, HA-AA mix and DEX-AA. congratulations, you've played your veno as good good and total fail.

In conclusion: CS fixes the problems with the more troublesome builds. Don't try HA unless you're sure you can afford the gear to supplement +MAG for wep, and the tome for it too.as evident in the pwcalc of my 90 veno, it dosent take a ton of cash shop stuff to make everything work. in my case it just took perusing the auction and finding things that would help make it work (like the rings which'll be replaced at lv94, and capes i'd worn before i got the hh90 cape, and various ornaments prior to these, which'll also get replaced higher in the 90's)

isi1me wrote: »

I guess instead of making a thread completely about it, would anyone have an idea on how I should stat my Veno (HA fox)?

I am currently doing 6MAG, 3STR, 1DEX?
Any changes or what not to that? Only Lv.13

limeball wrote: »

If you're only level 13 you should not be a HA build period. The reason being that you do not have enough stat points to make one. Venomancers mostly switch to HA builds around level 80 or 90 (90 is recommended) once they've bought and collected all their equipment which will give them the required stat boosts to allow them to wear their weapons and armour.