HA/AA Veno worth it?

Fistol - Raging Tide

@zbzkda, i think every veno will agree with you for you going mag build.
that vit build with so many points are better off on str to wear HA then on vit.

i wouldnt call your build dumb, but to add dex just for the crit and evasion isnt enough.
You might want to have a better reason to actually go that road =x.

yes doing mag = low hp,
doing vit = low attack
doing dex = low hp, low attack

veno is already one of the lower damage dd around, your hp isnt one of the highest either and wearing AA the refine isn't going anything near HA. As such dex not adviced.

as you said it

VIT cannot deliver that, and neither could my little fun DEX crit build.

good luck on dropping r9 players.
if anything , ganging with someone else will make it easier to take them down.


PvE server's TW are just as intense as PvP server.
Join one of those small tw guild, and you will find yourself needing to dispose a lot of rank 9 player at once.

If you do try your experiment, it still wouldnt work on PvE server, not without great gears anyway.

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver

That AA refines poorly dont mean your HP have to be low. Id also recommend scrapping the idea of using Vit stones in a Veno.

1 vit = 12 HP, 10 vit then equals to 120 HP. in gear where ALL items got 4 sockets you gain... 120HP compared to using the Citrine gems. You pay (Comparing to Dreamweavers economy) 240 mil more for those 120HP. In other words: You could get a Cube necklace, a Script of Fate tome, 2nd stage Nirvana pants (for 3% channeling) and a Jungle belt for the same price.

When my Veno wears full Arcane gear(Except for helmet ofc) with perf. garnets. It still got 8k HP. Simply cause the Arcane gear got +HP adds. The gear isnt finished yet( it will be my clerics gear). Seeing that, I dont think an AA should have any problems bolster 4k HP, or more with lesser refines and decent +HP stats. Sacrificing 3% chan in your Rank 8 top for the Dragon Rise Robe for instance. Here comes why:

If using Dragon Rise pants for -chan, youll gain +5atk levels. A +3 R8 Top gives you a total of 247 HP, Dragon Rise gives you 406. The "loss" of 3% chan will be rewarded in the 5 atk levels. +3 Pants will also give you a boost of 286 HP. And make up for the loss of 3% chan.

Changing the Warsoul Hat for Event hat(Ences Scar) would give you more def AND HP. Survivability over -chan is actually rather nice. And Ive been experimenting with this on my cleric. Sometimes its better to withstand giving that extra hard hitting, instead of being a machine gun made out of paper.

Pure AA = Good, Awesome if you spend
Dex AA = .... Get +crit items instead. Youre a paper machine gun.
Vit AA = Valid option for anyone, just dont go overboard with the vit.

The reason Im saying that the Dex build isnt worth it isnt the lesser crit gain. Its the reasoning with the extra evasion. Your end game evasion was 1.3k. Youre against archers that can have oveer 7k accuracy. Even my lil Veno with less than 100 dex got 1k more acuracy than your evasion. You lose defences, you lose Damage, you lose HP. You gain 8% crit. If you still think Dex seem like a good idea, at least do a proper build.

http://www.pwcalc.com/902d13b390122da4

I took the liberty of using the coins saved on gems that dont exist, a cube necklace and a LG ring you didnt need into a better tome and some refines. Changed the helm to increase survivability. Spitting in a wee bit more coins to satisfy my own wants, I got a build with more magic, more crits, about same HP, more atk and about same phy def. Considering that its an upgraded cube necklace, I probably wouldnt even need to spit in more coins. Im not saying the build you posted would be horrifyingly bad, Im just saying the money could be spent in other ways to get the main increase you want: +crit.

Damagewise none of the magic builds can hope to hit the same DPS as a fox form build if the build is done properly. Constant hitting vs. channeled attacks with cool downs simply isnt comparable.

zbzkda

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

telling someone you don't want to talk to them while you continue talking to them.

Of course...I'm an internet troll: for as long as you keep replying to me I'll keep replying to you! I don't necessarily want to, but I feel obligated to because if I let it end with you having the last say I'll feel like I lost the argument, so I'm going to keep coming back and replying to you no matter what...it's a point of pride for a troll who's been in the game since he was a kicking 12 year old. Straight out of Compton, wot?

SashaGrey - Irritant wrote:

then you pulled out the trump card! I'm on a PVE server therefore i know nothing about PVP or something. ok then, i will continue playing my fail veno on my fail server, and you can continue playing your impossible build veno on your hidden alt server, deal?

Were you born a mental cretin?? Did you not read me denounce the DEX AA build? In fact didn't this all start with you trying to tell me that I was dumb for having needed a belt to dissuade me? In other words, I'm not playing my old build anymore, and I've moved on...STOP REPLYING PLEASE, I'm feeling drained b:surrender

Look here, read this:

zbzkda wrote:

Basically, if rank 9 didn't exist, or I played on a PvE server (and therefore did not need to be able to quickly and reliably dispense with multiple possibly well geared opponents), my fun experiment would still make sense.

See that? It means that I still like my old build, and in spite of having decided to re-stat, I would still consider it if it somehow became viable again...because it's my idea, see? I'm partial to it, and that is none of your business, FFS . However, circumstances have forced me to leave it: I will not change that view, because I liked it. See, coming back over and over to tell me in various ways that I'm stupid isn't going to change that I still like it...so what exactly are you going to achieve by continuing this?

@Fistol: Well the evasion wasn't really a factor: I was mostly going for crit really.