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Foxchu - Archosaur · May 2011

ok... plain and simple veno pulls are the best. i've seen barbs and BMs mess up zeal pulls because they just get a little toooooo close. that's when i say "ok guys let me pull so we don't have problems again" and end the end the squad is safe and happy. venos pull... even if the pet dies as long as it hits the mob all the other mobs around it will reset and the one hit will come to the veno. if the veno say... pulls her pet back to her (not stow) or heals her pet... yeah then we have a problem and the mobs will ALL aggro. at lower lvls zeal pulls are great. they can pull just as good as veno pets... but once you get into 69 and above zeal pulls become harder and harder to do without aggroing a bunch of mobs. idk how many times i've yelled at squads that didn't let me do those hard pulls... i'm a veno it's part of my job!

if someone in my squad (if not the cleric or if i'm the cleric) aggros 7-10+ mobs i just let them die... or till they get aggro... i don't die from other's mistakes, if they F up then that's their problem... if they get aggro then i'll help/ heal cause i know they can handle it... if the cleric aggros the mobs... well i'll give my life to save him/her

please guys... if a veno is in a squad... let them pull... if they are even a half decent puller then it will be ok b:victory

Lorann - Raging Tide · May 2011

What annoys me is when in an instance you go to lure something and at the same time some impatient person decides to run in and lure with their Zeal. Usually two mobs are fine to deal with but seriously I'd have thought if there's a veno in the squad just let them do the luring right? Surely that's quite obvious... e.e But I guess it comes down to being coordinated. When people do this nowadays I usually just say something like "ok you can lure, if you want me to lure let me know but let's not cross wires here it's what gets people killed" /minirant

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear · May 2011

sorry, no. its the same bear. its just that i started the game when they were still using the original names for things, and when im tired i cant remember what they renamed them here in this country. so i wind up referring to my kowlin as my dharma, for instance.

sorry for the mixup. but whatever the name, hes a good lil guy for pulling, though without the range of my kowlin. i tried the Zeal a couple times...no comparison -pets always do better! ^o^

Irdis - Sanctuary wrote: »

did they really rename shaodu into dodo or are we thinking about different baby bears

Honourless - Heavens Tear · May 2011

Prefer zeal over pets in almost all lure situations,just faster and easier(if know what you're doing)

See i played a veno and luring is simple,yet nowadays many venos are so overly cautious and will hold the group up for a good 2 mins setting up a lure,and when you're constantly waiting on each lure for this amount of time it tends to grateb:surrender

_Ink_ - Raging Tide · May 2011

Lorann - Raging Tide wrote: »

What annoys me is when in an instance you go to lure something and at the same time some impatient person decides to run in and lure with their Zeal. Usually two mobs are fine to deal with but seriously I'd have thought if there's a veno in the squad just let them do the luring right? Surely that's quite obvious... e.e But I guess it comes down to being coordinated. When people do this nowadays I usually just say something like "ok you can lure, if you want me to lure let me know but let's not cross wires here it's what gets people killed" /minirant

Gah. I freaking hate that, you have no idea. And now that there are mystics it's even worse. I'll even announce when starting the instance that I'm doing the pulling, if anyone else wants to pull they're free to tell me and I have no problem with it. But it never fails another veno/mystic/someone with a genie decides that they think they're better than me and pull without saying anything. I've just gotten to the point now that if I'm in a squad with my guildies(Which I usually am) and the person fail-pulls, I just stow my pet, kill what comes to me if I landed a hit and tell the squad to let the other person die, even if there's a chance we could have taken down the mobs with no death. I don't see the point in risking anyone else losing even minimal exp just because some jerk in the squad thinks they can do -everything-.

Obly - Dreamweaver · May 2011

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

Well this will be a rant, a QQ, a call it what u want..

But I am gonna explain things hoping people save themselves some trouble and some stress, anger and loss of experience like I just did..

Beware of people that say they can lure.. I will explain 2 situations.

1 : Kill 10 Celestial Dranites in Eden (Divine quest)

Team : Bm 92 that asks for help saying she can lure..me at 99..She also calls a cleric 93.

Easy u say ?? Wrong...

Bm 92 lures, but chases mobs...So runs them into others and others..Mostly magic in there right ? QQ's her charm gets tick awfully a lot.. (No true emptyness ??) Clerc has to go on BB cuase of insane number of mobs on us. 1st wave passes...Not too bad..

Next wave..again..lure and chase, but this time into magic and physical mobs..Clerc dies IN BB cause mobs too spread out for me to stun/agro them all in time. BM 92 did what ? Concentrate on the lonely quest mobs when me and cleric had 6 on us..Clerc leaves team..

I die too. I release and come back telling myself "I have true emptyness, i'll lure, not chase, all will go well" BM 92 (also dead) comes back and start same stuff again..Lure and chase..Of course..antellopes in there are so good for Bm's whitout a clerc..Both die again..
Then go back, I try to lure a dranite backing up to stun it and have only one on me..BM 92 does what ? Goes on another one..and yeah you know the drill..Chases..Runs back to me in panic 3 dranites and a Oddfott on her..She dies, I die again..She whines she had over 250k hp gone on hp charm from that trip.. I go back by pride to get quest done, then blacklisted her. I was also charmed and lost barely 50k on it even if we had insane number of magic mobs on us..(True emptyness saves life..well a charm's life anyway...)

Situation 2 : Faction chat

- Wiz : "I died, can I get a rez ?"
- Me : "What got you ?"
- Wiz : "I got ganked"
- Me : "Did u lure ?"
- Wiz : "Yeah but they all came.."
- Me : "Did u use a Zeal ?"
- Wiz :"I tried but it's too slow, thought pyrogram would lure just 1, anyway I released..think Gush will work this time if they are slightyl apart ?"
- Me : "Try it...but I say better be slow and safe then rush and die"
- Wiz : "Omg I died again, they all came"

Piece of advise for those who don't know.. :

Zeal-->Earthflame..

Lures WELL, find it too slow to regen, bump ur genie up in magic so it regens faster.

Veno-->Pet lure.

Lures WELL if veno knows what she's doing.

Mystic--->Summon lure

Lures good too, if he/she knows.

ANY OTHER MEANS

Lures BAD !! Be it magic attack, arrow, cyclone, another genie skill, it is NOT as good as any of the 3 above mentioned. You won't easily get 1 mob out of a pack..

Reason of this post ?? To expulse...And warn people, if someone says "i'll lure" ..stay back and watch carefully how it goes..

Hope those kinds of days don't happen to any of you. I barely FC (less then 10 in last year) and barely hyper by choice (Probably 11 max in last year, 2 usage of 3 and 1 of 5..) To be proud of having grinded it all. To me 4 (or was it 5...) deaths to get a quest done is not a good way to go...

Beware of wannabee lurers if u don't know them..They will make u have grey hairs...

Source of Problem Above: HYPER NOOBS!

DarkBalls - Harshlands · May 2011

Honourless - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Prefer zeal over pets in almost all lure situations,just faster and easier(if know what you're doing)

See i played a veno and luring is simple,yet nowadays many venos are so overly cautious and will hold the group up for a good 2 mins setting up a lure,and when you're constantly waiting on each lure for this amount of time it tends to grateb:surrender

Hm, I used to play a veno and I beg to differ. If you look at one single lure, yes zeal is faster, but by the time zeal has recharged, the veno could have lured (and killed) two more mobs. And now, with the changed pet mechanics, its even easier if the veno has two pets. No more stowing the pet, just calling out another one.

The funny thing is that luring seems to become a forgotten art. Yesterday in a bh, I asked for veno lure when zeal was recharging, there was no answer (yes we had a veno in the squad lol). I didn't insist, but it was kinda sad that the veno obviously didn't know one of the typical veno functions.

Daedallus - Sanctuary · May 2011

Obly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Source of Problem Above: HYPER NOOBS!

Applicable in the above post too b:surrender

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