Pure Mag vs Vit Builds

Just go pure magic....10hp per vit level doesn't help you or your pet much.

I'm pure int and still not enough of mp. Are you seriously with vit build? I'm furiuos that skills cost thousands of mp... I remember when cons of wizard was high mp usage, but nowadays mystic's skills costs double more... NOT FAIR! b:shocked

NianZu - Raging Tide wrote: »

Pet stats are based on your gear, so going vit or mag doesn't affect it at all

Actually, adding to your vit/mag stats does improve the hp/mp of your summon as well. I cannot tell you exactly how much since I do not have enough extra points on my mystic to test it. =/

Honestly, I only support the Vit Build for Mystics if you can't afford good gear at low levels and if you are playing solo most of the time (so you will need HP/survivability because there will be nobody there to help you/save you). Even as a Pure Mag build though, if you are careful you can do just fine, even with little HP at the beginning.

I usually rely on my heals. I'm almost Pure Mag with 12 Vit points and the rest were in Mag and Str (as much as needed). My gear gives me a lot of Mag+, MP+ but as well as HP+ and my heals as so powerful that I can survive just fine. Well, that has its own drawback of course (no heal -> dead) but the only times I've really died hard was when I had too many melee mobs on me. Otherwise I survive just fine.

I'm not against Vit Build but I strongly recommend the Pure Mag one for Mystics. My reasons are:
-You need high low base (and high magic in general) to be a better healer for yourself and your pet. While you can depend on high refines of the weapon having a lot of Mag too, helps a lot (besides Mag points improve you overall base damage but weapons have gaps).

-You need a good MP pool, especially before lvl75 when you get to use those Herb pots. Even if I had tons of MP (lvl82 right now with 9500MP/9300 -depending on which ornaments I have on-) I still needed an MP charm prior lvl75..that is maybe because I duo the whole game with my soulmate though. Being a healer/debuffer/puller/DDer all at the same times eats quite a lot of MP XD

-At later levels refines of armour will give you much more HP than Vit points (yes Vit build AND good gear will give you even more HP but I don't see that a necessity).

Like I said, I am not against the Vit Build, but I highly support the Pure Mag build for Mystics. Besides, even at endgame Cleric is still necessary so it's not like you will have to solo heal all the time.

BiWinning - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you complain or use Mana drain as an excuse, quit your Mystic and re-roll something else. The only big drain is when spam healing and when you set up, shell + res buff + devil + heal on devil. Thats it, if you got pure mag and can't handle that bit of mp drain, you didn't roll right or you literally suck.

qft..

ok let me say this... Im pure magic mystic (base 3 vit) all items +10 except my chest. cleric + barb buffed (no BM), i tanked beast boss in 3-3 for a good 2 mins (he just didnt wanna get off of me) w/o BB just self heal and petali. Why should you go vit build when pure mag can do so well?

i totally agree with you. Since mystics are very similar to venos (not exactly like them!) ill tell you that my veno with same gear as my mystic was vit build. she had around 150 vit w/o gear... it was awesome to have 15k hp buffed (AA)... but she hit like a girl... when my mystic was around lv 90ish and she got more magic than my veno i laughed so hard and cried in the same time... i bought a reset note and dropped 100 vit into magic after over 1 year of this build... she lost 1.2k hp (still has over 13k buffed) but her dmg is now decent.
The vit build was ok before i got the chance to refine ( im talking about veno here but can easily apply to mystic too). I remember before i TWed on veno i was magic build... 1st time i started to think about vit build was around lvl 90 because i kept dying on Belial... 1st step was to get enough hp to survive his hits unbuffed. Then i wanted over 10k buffed... and that was when my refines were around +5 and before i got end game gear.

All in all depends what you intend to do with your character. Pve ? pvp? How high you can refine, how much money you have to spend on shards?

Low cost = vit build (3 vit 1 str 6 mag every 2 lvls) - at lvl 100 you will have 150 vit from stat points which for a mystic =1500 HP more than pure magic (in pve is not really worth it, with a magic build you could hit the mob harder and finish him off before he hits u)

Average cost = medium refines, HP shards, pure magic.

High costs= +10 refines, JoSD, pure magic.

My 2 cents.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Honestly, I only support the Vit Build for Mystics if you can't afford good gear at low levels and if you are playing solo most of the time (so you will need HP/survivability because there will be nobody there to help you/save you). Even as a Pure Mag build though, if you are careful you can do just fine, even with little HP at the beginning.

I usually rely on my heals. I'm almost Pure Mag with 12 Vit points and the rest were in Mag and Str (as much as needed). My gear gives me a lot of Mag+, MP+ but as well as HP+ and my heals as so powerful that I can survive just fine. Well, that has its own drawback of course (no heal -> dead) but the only times I've really died hard was when I had too many melee mobs on me. Otherwise I survive just fine.

I'm not against Vit Build but I strongly recommend the Pure Mag one for Mystics. My reasons are:
-You need high low base (and high magic in general) to be a better healer for yourself and your pet. While you can depend on high refines of the weapon having a lot of Mag too, helps a lot (besides Mag points improve you overall base damage but weapons have gaps).

-You need a good MP pool, especially before lvl75 when you get to use those Herb pots. Even if I had tons of MP (lvl82 right now with 9500MP/9300 -depending on which ornaments I have on-) I still needed an MP charm prior lvl75..that is maybe because I duo the whole game with my soulmate though. Being a healer/debuffer/puller/DDer all at the same times eats quite a lot of MP XD

-At later levels refines of armour will give you much more HP than Vit points (yes Vit build AND good gear will give you even more HP but I don't see that a necessity).

Like I said, I am not against the Vit Build, but I highly support the Pure Mag build for Mystics. Besides, even at endgame Cleric is still necessary so it's not like you will have to solo heal all the time.

Actually, an NV>AS combo kills pretty much anything at least up to 6x, so a vit biuld isn't necessary for survabilly, even with crappy gear..

I don't care much about the damage, and, let's say 50 points in mag won't make much difference against bosses or in your overall MP pool, I guess full mag is good on PvP for maximum damage, but I don't care much about that.

I went vit (capped at 65) because... well, I'm used to put points in vit from the time was a barb, I guess xP... In the actual gaming, these builds won't make any great changes, since most of your performance depends on gear and skill of the player

NianZu - Raging Tide wrote: »

Actually, an NV>AS combo kills pretty much anything at least up to 6x, so a vit biuld isn't necessary for survabilly, even with crappy gear..

I don't care much about the damage, and, let's say 50 points in mag won't make much difference against bosses or in your overall MP pool, I guess full mag is good on PvP for maximum damage, but I don't care much about that.

I went vit (capped at 65) because... well, I'm used to put points in vit from the time was a barb, I guess xP... In the actual gaming, these builds won't make any great changes, since most of your performance depends on gear and skill of the player

I don't care about my damage at all as a healer, if I can deal considerable amount of damage, that is a bonus.

I mostly care for good healing. This is why I use wands that offer high low-end magic attack (though right now my Mystic has a magic sword). Having mag points also helps your low-end magic attack since mag points don't make a gap between your low-end and high-end.

That is my main argument and this is why I don't go against Vit builds of anything. I just stated which build I highly recommend because that worked the best for me and my case.

I had Vit Build on my Venomancer for most of her levels, I restated a few times and went from 75 Vit cap to 50 then to 30 (that is as I eventually got better gear that offered more HP to me). Vit Builds can be great (and my best friend has a Venomancer with insane HP) but it's just that I prefer pure mag or semi pure mag for healer type classes. My Cleric though, has 33 Vit (I am going to restat to 23 however) so..whatever works for everyone! XD

NianZu - Raging Tide wrote: »

Do you steal aggro when you are the DD?
One of the reasons that I put some points in vit is also that I steal aggro a lot, which is strange, cosidering my damage isn't that high, yesterday I got on a squad with a psy and a sin as DD, and I was still stealing aggro, does that happen to you in higher levels?

And I see your points, I also go as supportive a lot, or just heal the others when the cleric is busy, but there is always that one mob that goes after you when you heal the person he was attacking, or as I said, if I steal aggro for some crazy reason, sometimes I forget to heal myself or control the pet in order to heal other people, and to tell the truth, it's hard to find a reliable tanker at bh51/59, so in my case, I preffer the benefits of surviving 2 or 3 more hits, even if it costs me some of my damage/heals...

Hm with my Mystic (when playing with my Seeker soulmate) I do steal aggro tons x_x but with my Cleric I haven't done that in a while. I know I can do it though.

For the mobs, you are right. I have to actually figure out more ways to protect myself in those situations as Mystic. I rarely use Salvation in squad (usually nobody needs it) so my panic buttons are limited compared to the ones I have found/discovered on Cleric.

I did die a lot as Cleric the first levels as well. Eventually I learnt combinations and stuff and 3rd spark is often a life saver b:laugh I'm basically waiting for lvl90 now for 3rd spark and TT90 set to see how my defences/HP will be.

53 vit (white) + average gear can get you around 5.5k-6k HP without having to spend much money and is a great boost to survivability without nerfing your damage. Vit builds are mainly for PvP because whats the point of having super strong heals and a ton of damage if a sin/(insert class here) one shots you? Set your priorities first. Refining isn't easy if you don't have the money, and if you are like me (fail to refine past +1 with just mirages) you probably need to charge your credit card for each level of refinement b:surrender

b:chucklethe joke in my faction is that I fail at refining even with dragon orbs.