3 sins in FC... how is it a prob with aoe?

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  • CptMaggots - Lost City
    CptMaggots - Lost City Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I would be leery about running with 3 sins depending on what the rest of the squad make up is. I know that sins CAN do aoe groups, but especially in 8x frosts (which is what the op is talking about) its a little rougher. On my seeker it doesnt matter, since I can solo all the pulls anyways, but when I ran frosts on my cleric if we had 3 sins during the 8x runs, I basically demanded we had an archer or wizzy for zhenning the pulls. Barbs were so rare that we usually just had the bm pull, archer or wiz set up zhen, and the sins do what they had to do.

    Sad thing is, even when we did that, 4/5 times, the sins just sparked and started single hitting targets... hence proving my point, and the point of alot of people who hate 3 sin runs.



    9x runs however, are different. Most sins by then know what they should be doing and/or are strong enough that even when they do spark -> single target then can scroll through targets fast enough that the pulls are only a little off. 9x and above I LOVE 3 sin squads for how fast bosses go b:chuckle
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    i have a barb... barbs are so blah to play... and the sad thing is that most barbs cant even play or build there class correctly... but i do feel special knowing that i can kill 5x faster than a barb... b:bye

    I have yet to run into a Barb in the 60-73 level range that has:

    1) Proper tanking skills
    2) Anything other than white, socketless, NPC supplied vendor trash armor, except for maybe one purple or TT armor piece
    3) Enough HP to do a good job tanking in really bad situations
    4) Proper stat point distribution (see #3)
    5) Any kind of a clue at all about what is happening

    The exception to this is Barbs in the factions I belong to. The 74+ barbs I've run into have been better geared, have better tank skills... But the clue bit...

    Anyway, when it comes to FCC and AOE, all classes get at least some kind of AOE. Would I want to do an FCC with 3 sins? No. Would I want to do one with 3 Archers? No. Would I want to do one with 3 BM's? Maaaaaaaybe.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    Just sayin'.

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  • violetvalor
    violetvalor Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I have yet to run into a Barb in the 60-73 level range that has:

    1) Proper tanking skills
    2) Anything other than white, socketless, NPC supplied vendor trash armor, except for maybe one purple or TT armor piece
    3) Enough HP to do a good job tanking in really bad situations
    4) Proper stat point distribution (see #3)
    5) Any kind of a clue at all about what is happening

    ...

    I have done BH 51 everyday since my psychic turned 60 and I started playing it again. The only problem with a barb I had was once when we got one that mostly spoke Spanish and only a little English. It is good my Spanish is good enough that we got through it. Other than that, most of the issues have been about me taking aggro while I am still learning to control my DD while not totally nerfing it. ^^;

    I think that more than just the gears/skills of the barb and/or just the gears/skills of the cleric or any one member for that matter, the overall synergy of the squad as a whole makes the difference.

    Now, I play on Harshlands rather than Sanctuary so I do not know if that is the reason. Anyway, I just did not want readers to get the impression that there are no good up and coming barbs.
  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I have yet to run into a Barb in the 60-73 level range that has:

    1) Proper tanking skills
    2) Anything other than white, socketless, NPC supplied vendor trash armor, except for maybe one purple or TT armor piece
    3) Enough HP to do a good job tanking in really bad situations
    4) Proper stat point distribution (see #3)
    5) Any kind of a clue at all about what is happening

    The exception to this is Barbs in the factions I belong to. The 74+ barbs I've run into have been better geared, have better tank skills... But the clue bit...

    Anyway, when it comes to FCC and AOE, all classes get at least some kind of AOE. Would I want to do an FCC with 3 sins? No. Would I want to do one with 3 Archers? No. Would I want to do one with 3 BM's? Maaaaaaaybe.


    well on my barb... i didnt have the greatest gear b/c i didnt CS but... i have been told by may clerics that i was easy to heal... i built it to be a tank and all my tiger form skills were maxed out... sins never pulled aggro from me and IF they did its b/c i wasnt flesh reaming like i was supposed to...

    but for me posting this in the 1st place i just wanted to make sure that i wasnt thinking too highly of the sins debuf/aoe skills... and to see others concerns that this person who left might have been thinking... thanks guys... b:victory
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I have level 10 aoes and level 10 tangling mire. A BM and myself ripping off pull AoE chains can take down any pull in seconds flat, except dragoons. b:bye

    I really hate these sin who are make in 2 weeks; they don't know how to play their class for the life of them. All they know is demon spark and boomboompewpew. FFS I've never seen ANY sin except me stun/interrupt bishops on the boss that spawns them, take a bishop/fox group when there is no BM (I try when I can, but since no sin ever does it, no barb knows we can go it and just bomb-rushes them). I rarely see bosses RB'd or Subsea'd...
    Am I the only freaking sin on my server who actually KNOWS wtf his class can do?
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I really hate these sin who are make in 2 weeks; they don't know how to play their class for the life of them. All they know is demon spark and boomboompewpew. FFS I've never seen ANY sin except me stun/interrupt bishops on the boss that spawns them, take a bishop/fox group when there is no BM (I try when I can, but since no sin ever does it, no barb knows we can go it and just bomb-rushes them). I rarely see bosses RB'd or Subsea'd...
    Am I the only freaking sin on my server who actually KNOWS wtf his class can do?

    Um, it really depends. Most sins probably don't level up Headhunt and Shadow Teleport simply because they're not that useful in PvE. For being such short stuns, they're extremely expensive for PvE.

    Personally, I prefer to ignore the Bishops unless they start to become a problem. Simply because I'm most often running my hyper on Dreadindra so I'd prefer him dead as soon as possible.

    As for Subsea, it depends on the squad. If there's higher DDs than me, I'll start with subsea. If I'm one of the higher DDs, then I'll rather spark. It also depends on how good the squad itself is. In a really good squad, me using Subsea wouldn't make a different either way.
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  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I have level 10 aoes and level 10 tangling mire. FFS I've never seen ANY sin except me stun/interrupt bishops on the boss that spawns them, take a bishop/fox group when there is no BM (I try when I can, but since no sin ever does it, no barb knows we can go it and just bomb-rushes them). I rarely see bosses RB'd or Subsea'd...
    Am I the only freaking sin on my server who actually KNOWS wtf his class can do?

    thats when i tell them to subsea... i have had sins ask me "whats that?" in a whisper... and i try to HH the bishops when they spawn or at least shadow stun them... but you just might be the only good sin on your server... thats why i picked harshlands b:victory
  • Mako_Shiruku - Sanctuary
    Mako_Shiruku - Sanctuary Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I have level 10 aoes and level 10 tangling mire. A BM and myself ripping off pull AoE chains can take down any pull in seconds flat, except dragoons. b:bye

    I really hate these sin who are make in 2 weeks; they don't know how to play their class for the life of them. All they know is demon spark and boomboompewpew. FFS I've never seen ANY sin except me stun/interrupt bishops on the boss that spawns them, take a bishop/fox group when there is no BM (I try when I can, but since no sin ever does it, no barb knows we can go it and just bomb-rushes them). I rarely see bosses RB'd or Subsea'd...
    Am I the only freaking sin on my server who actually KNOWS wtf his class can do?

    No, you aren't. I just stopped playing my sin a while back. Hasn't been much fun.b:cry
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  • isisrhea
    isisrhea Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I don't see why sins wont level their aoe's. The only skills I've maxed are aoe's, rib srike, stealths and spark creating skills. On bosses for about 30% hp all I do is rib strike, subsea, get spark, rib, repeat. And it seems like i'm the only sin to ribstrike or subsea. I've even had complaints that I don't mass attack from the start.
  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Chill of deep, spark, inner harmony, subsea sstrike, earthen rift = win lol, always use this combo b:bye
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  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Chill of deep, spark, inner harmony, subsea sstrike, earthen rift = win lol, always use this combo b:bye

    you really wanna use CoD while your in FC? not me... just spark x3>inner harmony>mire (every sin should have this even for pvp)>subsea>earthen rift should be enough to bring down the mobs with help aoe...
  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    you really wanna use CoD while your in FC? not me... just spark x3>inner harmony>mire (every sin should have this even for pvp)>subsea>earthen rift should be enough to bring down the mobs with help aoe...

    Only for BIG mob pulls i switch Cod and use this combo, bosses is another story... also depends what squad you have then just adjust what to use.
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  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Problem is not sin as class having problem with aoe, it's most sins that suck at aoe'ing :P 90% of the sins don't seem to have their 2 aoe skills maxed, many use hook & thorn (the -0.05 int makes its dps as good as tt90s, but the skill damage i.e. aoe damage stays at 80s lvl), got not-so-great-gear and to make it complete barely know how to use their skills (when or when not to use chill for instance). Sins can do some good aoe damage, but only a short time. On pulls like exp room or all dragoons, if you don't kill them within those 2 aoes, sin becomes rather useless.

    I do fcc with my cleric/seeker, and am horrified by some sins. They only poke shades, their aoes when they use them are obviously lvl1 and think they can solo bosses cause they are "aps" at lvl80s. Anyway, 3 sins in squad, why not. If I could pick my squad I wouldn't put 3 sins in for fcc, but a DD is a DD and don't always have pleasure to choose. Full squad = ready to go :P
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    well on my barb... i didnt have the greatest gear b/c i didnt CS but... i have been told by may clerics that i was easy to heal... i built it to be a tank and all my tiger form skills were maxed out... sins never pulled aggro from me and IF they did its b/c i wasnt flesh reaming like i was supposed to...

    but for me posting this in the 1st place i just wanted to make sure that i wasnt thinking too highly of the sins debuf/aoe skills... and to see others concerns that this person who left might have been thinking... thanks guys... b:victory

    You, most likely, aren't one of the fail barbs then.

    But there are sins that could, and would, pull aggro off you. I've got the blood moon bracers and interval chest, and at level 63, I was pulling aggro off a well geared, tank build level 78 barb. If I didn't spark, and removed the -int wrists, he kept aggro just fine.

    Even my BM could pull aggro off Barbs at will. At level 69, though, I could tank Rankar without a cleric or mystic in the squad at all anyway. >_>

    My Archer ended up tanking all of BH59, regardless of who else was in the party, because I had stupid high damage output. I had perfect water shard X 2 in my Wind and Clouds, and even after letting a barb tank Rankar for half his life, I would take aggro after 6-7 hits. And that was with me trying to let him tank. b:surrender

    There comes a point where you just can't reduce your DD anymore beyond auto attacking once, then cancelling it for 10 seconds, then auto attacking once, then cancelling it for 10 seconds, and repeating. I play Archer, BM, Sin, Veno, Wiz, etc., and I build my characters for survivability. I took aggro on Rankar on my Sin, and he doesn't 1, 2, or 4 shot me like he does some sins. I can at least survive and let the Barb have aggro back without shadow escape.
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    95 Demon Wiz/
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    you really wanna use CoD while your in FC? not me... just spark x3>inner harmony>mire (every sin should have this even for pvp)>subsea>earthen rift should be enough to bring down the mobs with help aoe...

    Then again there is no reason not to use Chill in that case, as you're only using normal skills.
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  • Bladesaber - Dreamweaver
    Bladesaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    i can't comment much as my sin is 60 at the moment but when i'm on FCs with my BM i never have any problems or at least not from anyone other then me by my own suicidal tendencies. Most the sins i run with yes depend on APS but are smart enough to have their skills maxed or at least lvled rather high. Even if there is a problem i keep Alpha Male on my genie and have a good percentage of HP(5k with very poor gear for my lvl)to tank till the mobs are dead. If the squad is 8x then i kinda can believe they don't have their skills maxed but by 90ish most sins have the gear for soloing dungeons so they have money for their skills to be maxed.

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