3 sins in FC... how is it a prob with aoe?

SinfuINature - Harshlands
SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
edited April 2011 in General Discussion
today my wife was trying to run a FC... she is a lvl 86 cleric... she had 3 sins of 85+ (one being 93) and a BM. They were looking for a barb. well long story short one pissy sin got upset b/c there were 3 sins saying "im not running with 3 sins b/c we dont do enough aoe on the pulls" then left making another sin leave b/c they were friends... now im wondering how is his bad...

BARB - pulls>roars>invokes...
BM - aoe stuns...
CLERIC - BB...
BM - heavens flame...
SINS - can either 2+ or 3+ spark (i never need to spark)>inner harmony (before the bm stuns)>tangled mire (after the stun)>subsea strike>earthen rift... i can easy do 40k damage per mob between the skills... 3x sins... easy 100k damage not counting the BM damage also... and any mobs left just earthen rift again...

so all that being said... what is the big deal? with x3 85+ sins in a squad...
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  • Kieve - Dreamweaver
    Kieve - Dreamweaver Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    It's so hard to feel "special" when your class is a dime for a dozen...
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  • Renza - Raging Tide
    Renza - Raging Tide Posts: 1,939 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Well I would of thought the same as that sin about the aoe thing (kinda), though I do know that sins have some fairly good aoe's with there hax damage/crits, just the only reason I said I would of thought the same is due to the fact that I don't exactly know sins skills fully and what there capable of, I wouldn't of left the squad over it though, especially if there was a BM there to HF the mobs.
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  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Kieve - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    It's so hard to feel "special" when your class is a dime for a dozen...

    i have a barb... barbs are so blah to play... and the sad thing is that most barbs cant even play or build there class correctly... but i do feel special knowing that i can kill 5x faster than a barb... b:bye
  • The__Sun - Dreamweaver
    The__Sun - Dreamweaver Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Many things can be done differently in this game such as FC and Delta, in your case a BM that HF's and 3 sins would easily be enough damage. To be honest a lot of sins seem to be cocky and nothing is good enough for them (I do have sin friends that are not, just saying a lot of random squads I get into with sins tend to all act the same).
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  • Sirsmokealot - Raging Tide
    Sirsmokealot - Raging Tide Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    i have a barb... barbs are so blah to play... and the sad thing is that most barbs cant even play or build there class correctly... but i do feel special knowing that i can kill 5x faster than a barb... b:bye

    Generalisation will get you no where in life.

    I feel special knowing that I have to use some brain power to play my class.
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  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Having 3 sins in Frost is a pretty normal set up. As long as you have a decent BM you can bring in as many sins as you want.

    The pulls die so fast with HF + Tangling Mire+ Subsea Strike that you normally dont even need to use CoD or Triple/Double spark AOE.

    I'm guessing he probably had some other reasons for leaving the squad. Maybe he had to go and just made some shiet up, maybe he knew someone in the party from before and seen them **** up a lot. Or he just didn't like other sins...the competition and all that. Who knows.
  • ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear
    ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I have noticed a *lot* of sins (and it seems to be a lot of Demon sins) who rely almost exclusively on standard attacks and sparks, and essentially ignore skills.

    In order to use some of these AOE skills, you need to have actually 1) learned the skill and 2) perhaps learned more than level 1 of the skill.

    The Sage Sins I have met learn their skills as high as possible, because they don't have the luxury of extra APS from spark.


    Just sayin'.

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  • Kieve - Dreamweaver
    Kieve - Dreamweaver Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    i have a barb... barbs are so blah to play... and the sad thing is that most barbs cant even play or build there class correctly... but i do feel special knowing that i can kill 5x faster than a barb... b:bye

    b:laugh I'm sorry, you thought I was trolling you? Look around, sins are friggin' EVERYWHERE. It was a commentary on server population and class per capita.
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  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Kieve - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    b:laugh I'm sorry, you thought I was trolling you? Look around, sins are friggin' EVERYWHERE. It was a commentary on server population and class per capita.
    It's okay though, I know one place you fish will always be wanted.
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    its cool... i just like DD classes in any game i play... my 1st character was an acher... i dont like the farway stuff... so it was eithe ra BM or sin... i went with the sin only for the Crit damage and BP... uber op pvp skills and stealth was just a bonus...
  • PhantomThief - Archosaur
    PhantomThief - Archosaur Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I have noticed a *lot* of sins (and it seems to be a lot of Demon sins) who rely almost exclusively on standard attacks and sparks, and essentially ignore skills.

    In order to use some of these AOE skills, you need to have actually 1) learned the skill and 2) perhaps learned more than level 1 of the skill.

    The Sage Sins I have met learn their skills as high as possible, because they don't have the luxury of extra APS from spark.


    Just sayin'.

    \powerleveling hasn't helped, honestly

    +100

    In most squads I've been in with other sins, I rarely see any of them Rib Strike or Subsea or anything of the sort. I end up doing both, which I don't mind but it would be nice to see others actually using some of our better party skills. I think a lot of people just make a sin and ignore all the skills (except Bloodpaint). Its really a waste in my opinion, as we have some very nice skills.

    Also, Sparked Earthen is AMAZING. End of story.
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    today my wife was trying to run a FC... she is a lvl 86 cleric... she had 3 sins of 85+ (one being 93) and a BM. They were looking for a barb. well long story short one pissy sin got upset b/c there were 3 sins saying "im not running with 3 sins b/c we dont do enough aoe on the pulls" then left making another sin leave b/c they were friends... now im wondering how is his bad...

    BARB - pulls>roars>invokes...
    BM - aoe stuns...
    CLERIC - BB...
    BM - heavens flame...
    SINS - can either 2+ or 3+ spark (i never need to spark)>inner harmony (before the bm stuns)>tangled mire (after the stun)>subsea strike>earthen rift... i can easy do 40k damage per mob between the skills... 3x sins... easy 100k damage not counting the BM damage also... and any mobs left just earthen rift again...

    so all that being said... what is the big deal? with x3 85+ sins in a squad...
    i wont complain if thers a BM...
    if its just 3 sins thats another story... since their still in a 'budding' stage >.>cant rely TOO heavily on just them if their still kiddies
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  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited April 2011
    Best make up 3 sins 2 seekers 1 cleric....awesome run.


    Anyway, as was said before. I would go as far as to say 90% or better of the sin population ignore any of those skills... Or left it at lvl 1.
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Hell, I see sins running after kiting mobs in brim and eden all the time.

    When a single tackling slash will completly stop them from kiting until they die
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  • KAZMOENEEK - Heavens Tear
    KAZMOENEEK - Heavens Tear Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    im currently playing this sin here..and i seen plenty ff runs without a barb or a bm and jsut a coupel sins doign just as good(prob better)in aoe/dmg department..very impressive.Combined with the right timing/skill/along with genies...ff is a peice of cake and ill be soloing it soonb:chuckleb:victory
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  • Chickpea - Lost City
    Chickpea - Lost City Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Only problem with 3 sins for AOE would be if they didn't upgrade their skills.

    Seems like pretty much all 89+ sins today only have level 1 Subsea Strike and level 3 Earthen Rift b:chuckle

    Its actually annoying and way to cheap, all the other classes have to upgrade their skills for Frost ffs how hard can it be to just max out 2 skills for pulls. I mean how often do you meet a BM in Frost with Level 1 HF and lvl 3 Fissure/Highland Cleave - i would say never.
  • KAZMOENEEK - Heavens Tear
    KAZMOENEEK - Heavens Tear Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    lol you are right about the rest lvling the skills because they arent all that cheap,but in my case all i have to worry about on my sin is skill and weapon because im set with the tt99-100 gear b:pleased so i well prepaired in dmg and knowledge of gaining spark very well and keeping hte dmg rolling.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I would be a bit hesitant to go on an FCC with only 3 sins and a BM for AoE DD.

    Reason being that sins only have 2 AoEs, one of which comes with a 60 second cooldown and the other with 8 seconds. So unless the DD was enough to wipe out the pull in one wave, it might end up in trouble.

    Not that I haven't done that in the past successfully.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I would be a bit hesitant to go on an FCC with only 3 sins and a BM for AoE DD.

    Reason being that sins only have 2 AoEs, one of which comes with a 60 second cooldown and the other with 8 seconds. So unless the DD was enough to wipe out the pull in one wave, it might end up in trouble.

    Not that I haven't done that in the past successfully.

    I actually just did exactly that XD.
    Big room: Stun HF.
    Sins earthen, subsea, random stuf, earthen again (spark before and they'll be gone in no time)
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I actually just did exactly that XD.
    Big room: Stun HF.
    Sins earthen, subsea, random stuf, earthen again (spark before and they'll be gone in no time)

    It's not the big room that is the problem, since everyone is just standing still and all ready.

    It's the pulls before Dreadindra and Shocktrooper, when everyone has to run behind the puller. If the cleric is late or someone starts too early, you're pretty much done for.
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  • Tremblewith - Heavens Tear
    Tremblewith - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,558 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    today my wife was trying to run a FC... she is a lvl 86 cleric... she had 3 sins of 85+ (one being 93) and a BM. They were looking for a barb. well long story short one pissy sin got upset b/c there were 3 sins saying "im not running with 3 sins b/c we dont do enough aoe on the pulls" then left making another sin leave b/c they were friends... now im wondering how is his bad...

    BARB - pulls>roars>invokes...
    BM - aoe stuns...
    CLERIC - BB...
    BM - heavens flame...
    SINS - can either 2+ or 3+ spark (i never need to spark)>inner harmony (before the bm stuns)>tangled mire (after the stun)>subsea strike>earthen rift... i can easy do 40k damage per mob between the skills... 3x sins... easy 100k damage not counting the BM damage also... and any mobs left just earthen rift again...

    so all that being said... what is the big deal? with x3 85+ sins in a squad...

    The big reason is many people are stuck in the mindset that a squad must consist of specific classes. While some are true, like level 80-95 FFs must have a Cleric, etc... Not all have to be so class-specific. Ever tried BH RB w/ 2 Barbs (One claw, one normal build)? Some would beg to differ on this, but it actually works. One Barb does the luring, and the other drops AoEs (Slam, Arma w/ HF, Swell, etc). Same can go w/ FF, and TT, etc... Many people don't like taking 2+ of the same class in an instance, due to loosing out on another class's potential buffs, and what not. Meh, I'm always one that enjoys tempting fate, and testing out crazy squads.

    Bottom line, is generally if the players are good - any squad can be done w/ 3 sins.
  • ColdSnow - Dreamweaver
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver Posts: 983 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I hate squads with more than one sin. Not cause of their AOE, more cause of their stupidity. I been with 2 sins few times in a squad and it failed everytime cause they both ran right away to shade or boss, instead of killing mobs with aoe. Like if BM HF and i (as Veno) can one shot them...seriosuly? -facedesk-
    And when i died few times i said Why the F*** you ran both for boss and shade, instead of killing mobs?!?
    Answer: Cause sins aoe sucks and we are better at one-target-kill

    So you basicly expect a Veno one-shot mobs ...wow..

    Did my own squad after that without any sin at all. One Archer and One Wiz, and my AOE. Was my fastest FC run ever. Sure, we didnt kill the boss that fast as with sin, but hell mobs take way more time to kill if you look at whole instance and we wiped them ALL away within 10min.
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  • PrettylnPink - Lost City
    PrettylnPink - Lost City Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Kieve - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    It's so hard to feel "special" when your class is a dime for a dozen...

    tell him its about time to accept its his own fault for picking a OP class
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  • _Nuriko_ - Lost City
    _Nuriko_ - Lost City Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    lolol.... Trip spark + lvl 10 subsea + mire + lvl 10 Rift = dead mobs. And if your sin doesnt bother rib striking a boss(who doesnt love -50% attack rate) call em fail and look for one who does. -.-
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  • JBourne - Dreamweaver
    JBourne - Dreamweaver Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Best FC run i was ever in was a 3sin, bm, barb, cleric.

    all sins knew how to play their character. which most oracle noobs don't.

    barb pulls, HF + 3 sub sea strikes + 3 earthen rift = everything dead

    So the guy that left squad not wanting to run a 3 sin squad has no clue how to play their character
  • ColdSnow - Dreamweaver
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver Posts: 983 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    JBourne - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Best FC run i was ever in was a 3sin, bm, barb, cleric.

    all sins knew how to play their character. which most oracle noobs don't.

    barb pulls, HF + 3 sub sea strikes + 3 earthen rift = everything dead

    So the guy that left squad not wanting to run a 3 sin squad has no clue how to play their character

    Its not the guys fault tho, if he larned from pervious runs that some sins just lack some common sence. some sins just run to boss or shade instead of AOE.
    if you read above my post you can pretty much understand why i never did FCs after with 2 sins and i dropped the squads either.
    i had enough of getting killed by mobs while the sins like to do their own thing and run for soloing boss to show off their ability to tank ****.
    i m sure there are enough good sins, but i did like 3-4 fc runs with 2 sins and i had enough of -me-only-aoe-so-agro-all-mobs-and-die and bm-dies and followed by cleric-dies- while BOTH sins tank shade
    I better dont do any risks anymore and go with safe pro squad or at least one more aoe than with hyper idiots, who doesnt even know that the PRIME TARGET is always to kill FIRST MOBS THEN BOSS/SHADE.
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  • MoonMio - Heavens Tear
    MoonMio - Heavens Tear Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I did 1 FC run when i was 9x, with 3 sins, NO BM, 1 sin pulling and tanking like a barb... and she's LA, 5k HP or so O.o no problem at all. I left after decaying fragnance, but we did really well up to that point
  • rebarbora1
    rebarbora1 Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    PrettylnPink - Lost City wrote: »
    tell him its about time to accept its his own fault for picking a OP class

    If dev. wouldn't be so stupid and make game balanced I would never pick a sin. My main is 101 wizard but I cannot get to squad so what should I do? How should I make money?
  • Tynne - Lost City
    Tynne - Lost City Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    _Nuriko_ - Lost City wrote: »
    lolol.... Trip spark + lvl 10 subsea + mire + lvl 10 Rift = dead mobs. And if your sin doesnt bother rib striking a boss(who doesnt love -50% attack rate) call em fail and look for one who does. -.-

    Good thing thats the first attack skill I use on bosses... who doesn't love 50% reduction in attack speed and 10% max hp reduction.... *cough cough sage cough*
  • HellWariorB - Raging Tide
    HellWariorB - Raging Tide Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    b:cry wanna do a FC with 2 barbs
  • Jonnykins - Dreamweaver
    Jonnykins - Dreamweaver Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I've ran with 4 sins and a cleric on my BM. It was quick and the sins must've have their aoes leveled as they mobs died quickly.

    It's all about who you go with, I've had to pull most of my FC's since 89 on my BM. Barbs to me are a luxury just for the extra HP and attack

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