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TigerGate - Archosaur
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just a few questions
at what level does the wizard really come into his/her own?
for example, clerics start being really good at around lv20, archers become untouchable at around lv70
would anyone like to share a good non pvp wizard moment?
is there even a wizard gm/mod?
at what level does the wizard really come into his/her own?
for example, clerics start being really good at around lv20, archers become untouchable at around lv70
would anyone like to share a good non pvp wizard moment?
is there even a wizard gm/mod?
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99+ 10chars
oh non-pvp? who the hell would roll a mage strictly for pve... re-roll.0 -
Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »99+ 10chars
oh non-pvp? who the hell would roll a mage strictly for pve... re-roll.
it seems everyone wants to be a troll nowadays... and seems to think they are funny0 -
I'm being dead serious..
Wizards are useless in instances besides gv.
Wizards' main strength lies in mass pvp & TW, everywhere else they are not wanted.
and i say 99+ for sage/demon ulti spells.
I didn't have fun on my wizzy until around 9x.
not sure why you think im trolling, maybe you are for thinking I am.0 -
99+ 10chars a condescending answer implying that its impossible to play and enjoy a wizard untill you have already reached the last few levels of the game
oh non-pvp? who the hell would roll a mage strictly for pve... re-roll.
a condescending and inflammatory statement
as for your dismissal of the wizard as a useful class in pve need i to remind you that the wizard has many area of effect damaging spells and that there are plenty of instances where such skills are useful if not vital in pve.0 -
TigerGate - Archosaur wrote: »99+ 10chars a condescending answer implying that its impossible to play and enjoy a wizard untill you have already reached the last few levels of the game
you asked when wizzies 'came into their own' and that is when (most) people start to enjoy playing their wizzies. No it's not impossible before then, just extremely boring because your damage is sub-par compared to other dd classes until end game
oh non-pvp? who the hell would roll a mage strictly for pve... re-roll.
a condescending and inflammatory statement
as for your dismissal of the wizard as a useful class in pve need i to remind you that the wizard has many area of effect damaging spells and that there are plenty of instances where such skills are useful if not vital in pve.
it doesnt matter how many aoes we have, other classes do a better job at aoeing instances compared to wizzies. in pve APS (attacks per second) FAR outdeals damage a wizzy can produce over time.
you can wait for other wizards to reply, i'm pretty sure they will say roughly the same thing.0 -
Sun_Burn is actually serious, and I agree with him! At 99+ wizards become OP b:dirty
Ever been hit with a sage ice dragon? b:shocked0 -
Yulon - Lost City wrote: »Sun_Burn is actually serious, and I agree with him! At 99+ wizards become OP b:dirty
Ever been hit with a sage ice dragon? b:shocked
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99+ you say... well that stinks
since a third party has stepped forward to back you in your statement i will have to accept it as the truth.
therefore as an honorable man i offer you an apology for anything i said that you took offence to and for disbelieving you in your claim as it seemed extravagant to me at the time.b:thanks0 -
TigerGate - Archosaur wrote: »99+ you say... well that stinks
since a third party has stepped forward to back you in your statement i will have to accept it as the truth.
therefore as an honorable man i offer you an apology for anything i said that you took offence to and for disbelieving you in your claim as it seemed extravagant to me at the time.b:thanks
tis' okay, i troll around forums quite a bit, I guess you can never know when im serious or not.0 -
TigerGate - Archosaur wrote: »just a few questions
at what level does the wizard really come into his/her own?
for example, clerics start being really good at around lv20, archers become untouchable at around lv70
would anyone like to share a good non pvp wizard moment?
I know that Wizard become very good at 60 - 70 levels for pve environment.
Wizards are good against magic mobs and bosses
BH59 can be done even solo by Wizard in proper levels.
BH69 is more difficult for Wizard.
Good moments ?
1. AOE kill few mobs at BH59, BH51 using DB, Blade Tempest, Black Ice Dragon Strike, Hail Storm, Will of the Phoenix.
2. Holding agro as tank aganst bosses.
3. Solo tanking of culti and quest bosses for most levels.0 -
101+ 5 chars0
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20 and below sucks, 30 x is annoying, 40-60 is improving and 60-78 is reasonable. 79 out with undine and sopo is a breath of fresh air. I'm not 9x yet so I can only vicariously say that it's even better from there
As far as PvE goes, leveling can be a pain at times. I'm tanking and killing bosses with my seeker that killed the **** out of me with my wiz at the same level. at 87 though I don't fear much of anything as long as I'm charmed and on top of my game I can take it. One good thing about being a wizard is knowing that a huge number of people bow out at low levels and you kept at it and made it through. So it's a good feeling of accomplishment when you start hitting 8x 9x 100+ levels.
As far as not getting pve runs there is some truth to that. I burn through countless tele's looking for ff's. People only want high aps's for nirvana unless you got friends who will take ya. Truth is, if you play balls out then there isn't an excuse for not enoying a wizard. I've gained a lotta respect from other classes when I play with em cuz I'm versatile and dd/heal/aoe and that (if done correctly) keeps other squadders alive and happy. So to me the biggest perk to playing a wiz is proving other people wrong. Nuff said."Speak softly, carry a big Crit"
--Teddy Wizevelt0 -
TigerGate - Archosaur wrote: »just a few questions
at what level does the wizard really come into his/her own?
130TigerGate - Archosaur wrote: »would anyone like to share a good non pvp wizard moment?
ummm . . . . .TigerGate - Archosaur wrote: »is there even a wizard gm/mod?
the people that make and update this game hate wizards, its clear."And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."0 -
Unfortunately everyone is almost right about wizard.
However i do enjoy playing wizard a lot even with my alternate build
Its get better for me after lvl 40+ after i got my level 7 or so stone barrier.
and i have taken down lvl 48 mobs @ around lvl 42 doing my own divine quest =x
and as i heard and seen for myself, wizard gets a lot better when bids start to enter the picture and more sparks are available.Fist Wizard ~ Truely Unique
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HA Melee (Pre99)-> LA Claw (99+)-> LA Claw+Magic (101)0 -
1-38 wizards suck. Our survivability is laughable and our damage is worse than just about every other class.
39-49 is where things start to pick up. At 39 we get Will of the Phoenix, which makes grinding waaaay easier, and at 49 we Force of Will, which makes things even better.
50-58 is boring as hell. Nothing to do but bhs and quest in anticipation for...
59-65, which is when we get out ultis. You'll have fun hitting unsuspecting crowds of horses/chickens/goats with BIDS until about level...
66-78, at which point life as a wizard becomes boring again. I recommend you zhen to get out of the hell hole that is pre-79.
79-89 you get some cool new skills. Oh and I was lying when I said that 79 was when you get out of the hell hole, that's actually not until...
90-99 is when your wizard finally starts to shine. By now most of your favorite spells are level 10+, and with your tt90 wep and a jones blessing you can hit fairly hard.
100+ is when wizards are at our best. We shine now more than ever. You are now a dangerous 1v1 pvp class, and an absolute force in TW.
PvE wise we're not that great. We're good for things like zhenning and FC where large groups of mobs need to be killed, which makes us pretty good at leveling (which is the only thing you should be thinking about until 100+). In terms of money making/gearing instances like tt and nirvana, we're a joke.0 -
DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »...
66-78, at which point life as a wizard becomes boring again. I recommend you zhen to get out of the hell hole that is pre-79.
79-89 you get some cool new skills. Oh and I was lying when I said that 79 was when you get out of the hell hole, that's actually not until...
90-99 is when your wizard finally starts to shine. By now most of your favorite spells are level 10+, and with your tt90 wep and a jones blessing you can hit fairly hard.
100+ is when wizards are at our best. We shine now more than ever. You are now a dangerous 1v1 pvp class, and an absolute force in TW.
PvE wise we're not that great. We're good for things like zhenning and FC where large groups of mobs need to be killed, which makes us pretty good at leveling (which is the only thing you should be thinking about until 100+). In terms of money making/gearing instances like tt and nirvana, we're a joke.
Since high level equipment and high level skills cost more than low level equipment and skills and
I found levels 79-100+ boring for myself (if not even impossible to play). Main question was not how to find fun, but how to find coins for new equipment and new levels of old and already boring skills (see table 1).DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »...
PvE wise we're not that great.
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In terms of money making/gearing instances like tt and nirvana, we're a joke.
Table 1
Skill | Level Required for 10th level of skill
Pyrogram 45
Gush 48
Stone Rain 51
Pyroshell 54
Glacial Embrace 54
Stone Barrier 54
Crown Of Flame 58
Hailstorm 61
Divine Pyrogram 64
Pitfall 64
Morning Dew 69
The Dragons Breath 74
Wellspring Quaff 74
Distant Shrink 74
Fire Mastery 74
Water Mastery 74
Earth Mastery 74
Will Of The Pheonix 75
Frostblade 75
Sandstorm 75
Emberstorm 85
Glacial Snare 85
Force Of Will 85
Blade Tempest 86
Black Ice Dragon Strike 86
Mountain's Seize 86
Essential Sutra 86
Elemental Shell 79
Soporific Whisper 79
Undine Strike 79
Elemental Invocation 100
Manifest Virtue 100
23 of 32 skills maxed at level less than 80.
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Since 60th level you can get 5 new skills only from 32 existing (see table 2).
Table 2
Skill | Level Required
Pyrogram 1
Gush 3
Stone Rain 6
Pyroshell 9
Glacial Embrace 9
Stone Barrier 9
Crown Of Flame 13
Hailstorm 16
Divine Pyrogram 19
Pitfall 19
Morning Dew 24
The Dragons Breath 29
Wellspring Quaff 29
Distant Shrink 29
Fire Mastery 29
Water Mastery 29
Earth Mastery 29
Will Of The Pheonix 39
Frostblade 39
Sandstorm 39
Emberstorm 49
Glacial Snare 49
Force Of Will 49
Blade Tempest 59
Black Ice Dragon Strike 59
Mountain's Seize 59
Essential Sutra 59
Elemental Shell 79
Soporific Whisper 79
Undine Strike 79
Elemental Invocation 100
Manifest Virtue 100
Game become more and more like work (for free to play style) or like very expensive toy (for pay to play style).0 -
my opinion from the PVE side:
The first noticeable improvement is when you learn your knockback will of the phoenix and distance shrink because from that moment on you can start to kite in case of a mob causing you troubles to kill. Like mentioned before Force of Will will also improve the kiting since from the moment you have learned it you are able to creat distance between you and the mob 2 times before it will be able to get a direct hit on you.
The next twist in favour of the wiz is around lvl 60 when the mobs which elemental attacks come into play.
The ultis at lvl 59 mentioned by most of the people in here were not the big deal for me since their dmg on lvl 1 sucked and you are not able to aoe kill mobs at that lvl by using them
From then on every lvl comes with new skills to max until lvl 86 where the normal wiz skills should be maxed out. Also 79 is nice when you get undine to finally be able to kill mag res mobs in a reasonable amount of time.
89 is special because of your new culti
90 comes with a new weapon and maybe the first sage / demon skills
92 opens up the next tier of sage/demon skills
From then on there is nothing new till 99 if y ou dont get lunar stuff at 95
99 sage/demon ultis + new weapon -->new you finally can use your ultis to kill mobs
100 lvl 100 skills +rank 8
101 r9 + other lvl 101 items
from 102 on there is nothing new for the wiz0 -
for me even small improvements are nice
i improve in small steps always,
my def/hp/channeling reached the point where i can heal myself without worrying for charm ticks to much
i heal just in time now :O
(always charmed due to tw) >.>
oh and i stopped dying in bh
i cant remember my last death outside cube or orchid temple
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Hallo Hexy b:byeb:cute
There is a store in west arch selling load of IGs b:sad But yeah I agree with you IGs are amazing, make me survive the most critical situations in TW
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there was a time when I would have not leave any SZ without 10-15 IG on me...lol, nice, funny times.
Then Fish were introduced and all became ....meh
No matter what and how prepared you are, a fish will roll you over unless his IQ is below 50 or he's less then 8yr old and can't reach all the keys on keyboard.
Go try out other games out there, mages/wizards are actually nice/fun classes to play without being the black sheep in everything except 1 instance of the game.____________
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o.o" Kinda hate IGs Those are the ones that freeze+Immobolize thats really a stun you right?Elendria - Dreamweaver wrote: »Hallo Hexy b:byeb:cute
There is a store in west arch selling load of IGs b:sad But yeah I agree with you IGs are amazing, make me survive the most critical situations in TW
Prefer those ones that up your pdef+mag def
Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »there was a time when I would have not leave any SZ without 10-15 IG on me...lol, nice, funny times.
Then Fish were introduced and all became ....meh
No matter what and how prepared you are, a fish will roll you over unless his IQ is below 50 or he's less then 8yr old and can't reach all the keys on keyboard.
Go try out other games out there, mages/wizards are actually nice/fun classes to play without being the black sheep in everything except 1 instance of the game.
This......hate those fish so much sometimes -,.,- Sins and psys.
They dont need anyskill whatsoever to faceroll you specialy if you mess up. Or lag the slightest bit >.>"
Seekers on the other hand...are hella fun to fight
Havent fought a mystic yet though =(0 -
Alias - Dreamweaver wrote: »This......hate those fish so much sometimes -,.,- Sins and psys.
They dont need anyskill whatsoever to faceroll you specialy if you mess up. Or lag the slightest bit >.>"
Seekers on the other hand...are hella fun to fight
Havent fought a mystic yet though =(
Yes because when you roll a psy, everything dies as you come out of safezone. We just two spark and headhunt you out of stealth and you NEVER SEE IT COMING!
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well the prob is that you chose the right race but messed up by choosing the wrong character but PWI encourages you to spend more money and reroll for the godly sin. I guess the game should be renamed from Perfect world into Password SwordfishMageFizban - Lost City wrote: »Yes because when you roll a psy, everything dies as you come out of safezone. We just two spark and headhunt you out of stealth and you NEVER SEE IT COMING!
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HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »well the prob is that you chose the right race but messed up by choosing the wrong character but PWI encourages you to spend more money and reroll for the godly sin. I guess the game should be renamed from Perfect world into Password Swordfish
Why reroll sin when I can kill 99.9% of them 1v1 consistently?0 -
because you could kill them as easy or even easier in 1v1 + you would have the advantage in PvE that your DMG and solo abilities would be higher. The only thing you would have to trade in for that is the aoe spaming for multiple targetsMageFizban - Lost City wrote: »Why reroll sin when I can kill 99.9% of them 1v1 consistently?
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HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »because you could kill them as easy or even easier in 1v1 + you would have the advantage in PvE that your DMG and solo abilities would be higher. The only thing you would have to trade in for that is the aoe spaming for multiple targets
greetz harm0wnie
Sooo you're telling me to roll a class/regear/level to 103+ so I can kill them with relatively the same ease AND so I can be useful in pve when I don't even pve atm?0 -
Also FOW is epic in pve and pvp. Don't neglect it. Learning to play a wiz is all about learning how to play it with versatility. I can't tell you how many times my heal has saved a squads ***. yes 70s Bhs wiz shines, 90ish you can solo fb59 to farm rep ( if you're old school), 80s watch your *** cause pole/ nob will flook you up but damn you can pack a punch here , 90s you CAN tank all but sty in 79 ( poor butthurt fleshream spamming barbs) as well as a phys class if not better and at 100+ you can tank Warsong Boss, epic in RB, great sacrificial lamb in TT (lol), and so much more. So, for those that bash a wiz in pve, perhaps you've never rolled witha decent one ( I won't say great cause I know there is always room to learn) or you might be a wiz that never learned how to fully embrace your class, and just has OP gears. Stop trying to [revent people from leveling their wizzy because you are afraid they might actually turn out to be better than you and make you look bad because you rely on gear alone. ( oh btw be careful with force of will or you will run sealed mob right into others and cause a mass agro issue, and combine Will of Phoenix with gush to slow mobs down long enough for your other kite skills to cool down)
Most epic pve moment was this past week in Nirvana. (OMG A WIZ IN NIRVANA) I learned that with my uber holy path genie I too can run chests, and think God I can cause no one else knew them. Twice the peeps got the seals and didn't click (fml) BUT, twice my 3 spark was epically timed and left me the only one alive. I was able to take boss hp down, run chests, save from a reset ( I'm sure lag would have prevented the peeps from sealing add again) and live long enough to get all rezzed by our trainee cleric. Once the aps person had agro I was able to heal them while everyone got it back together. I have never been so proud of my squishy Chan/crit phys def build ****. xD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
MsSparkles - Heavens Tear wrote: »Also FOW is epic in pve and pvp. Don't neglect it. Learning to play a wiz is all about learning how to play it with versatility. I can't tell you how many times my heal has saved a squads ***. yes 70s Bhs wiz shines, 90ish you can solo fb59 to farm rep ( if you're old school), 80s watch your *** cause pole/ nob will flook you up but damn you can pack a punch here , 90s you CAN tank all but sty in 79 ( poor butthurt fleshream spamming barbs) as well as a phys class if not better and at 100+ you can tank Warsong Boss, epic in RB, great sacrificial lamb in TT (lol), and so much more. So, for those that bash a wiz in pve, perhaps you've never rolled witha decent one ( I won't say great cause I know there is always room to learn) or you might be a wiz that never learned how to fully embrace your class, and just has OP gears. Stop trying to [revent people from leveling their wizzy because you are afraid they might actually turn out to be better than you and make you look bad because you rely on gear alone. ( oh btw be careful with force of will or you will run sealed mob right into others and cause a mass agro issue, and combine Will of Phoenix with gush to slow mobs down long enough for your other kite skills to cool down)
Most epic pve moment was this past week in Nirvana. (OMG A WIZ IN NIRVANA) I learned that with my uber holy path genie I too can run chests, and think God I can cause no one else knew them. Twice the peeps got the seals and didn't click (fml) BUT, twice my 3 spark was epically timed and left me the only one alive. I was able to take boss hp down, run chests, save from a reset ( I'm sure lag would have prevented the peeps from sealing add again) and live long enough to get all rezzed by our trainee cleric. Once the aps person had agro I was able to heal them while everyone got it back together. I have never been so proud of my squishy Chan/crit phys def build ****. xD
In total, what is cost of your equipment ?
I think, that you have not less than R8 and plenty of time/money to play at this game.MsSparkles - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well, I want unbinding scrolls.... NOW.... In the last month spent enough to get 300k rep on both my toons....
From your Overall Recent Achievements:...
Level 70 Sin LFG (25) PWI
Mar 30,2011 Level an Assassin to 70.
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Pocket Change (5) PWI
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Mar 30,2010 Purchase 500 items from the Cash Shop.
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I Must be AFK (25) PWI
Nov 20,2009 Stay logged in for at least 24 hours straight.
Cat shop ???
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Oct 20,2009 Login at least once every day for 30 days straight.
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Oct 04,2009 Login at least once every day for 14 days straight.
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I will point them at your post and your Overall Recent Achievements, so they will restart this game from assassins to Wizards (why you yourself need level 70 assassin, having high level Wizard ?).MsSparkles - Heavens Tear wrote: »...Stop trying to [revent people from leveling their wizzy because you are afraid they might actually turn out to be better than you and make you look bad because you rely on gear alone...0 -
<-- 73 wiz only, not as high as the others who have posted. Just have to say the last few convos I have had about wizzys have ended in people wanting to bash on them and saying they suck...maybe they do for some. You'll know if you like them by lvl...30-40 say as that's when it can get tough. After that it's all about know how, skill, and persistence. I love my wiz and though others may not agree with me I think at 59 is when they start becoming "fun" and from there on you get stronger and get better skills. We are certainly not the most wanted in instances, but I play for fun and if I need an instance I can ask some friends or faction to help and I ts never a problem. It all depends on you really, so try one out if you like it good...if not, roll a psy or cleric for a mag class. I hope this helped and as I said before I'm not as experienced as these other folks, just my own opinion.0
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VileBlack - Archosaur wrote: »blah blah blah
Just wanted to say your post was the most annoying I've seen in a long time.
And I don't even mean the comments, just the way it was written. Actually, I don't know what the contents are because of the way it was written, my eyes couldn't handle it.
Thought you should know b:bye0
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