Mystic vs. Other Classes Skill Comparison

the two's pet heals... as a veno i am also jealous theirs maxes at 50 something, but another thing i noticed about mystic's petheal.. its channel and cast times are considerably shorter than veno's petheal.. and while it uses considerably more mana, it *can* also be spammed alot more often than veno's petheal (even comparing lv10 vs lv10)

technically the ulti for mystics will outhit the ulti for wizards if you have a weapon that does more than 800 damage averaged out, as is the case with most lev 90+ weps.

Thus mystics win ^_^

Stipulation - Heavens Tear wrote: »

technically the ulti for mystics will outhit the ulti for wizards if you have a weapon that does more than 800 damage averaged out, as is the case with most lev 90+ weps.

Thus mystics win ^_^

I am not saying that you are right or wrong. I just am not sure how you came to this conclusion.

I would agree with most of the comparisons here but the MP cost for the revive is really outrageous. My mystic is only lvl 39 but she is the biggest mana hog i have ever played. And when a single skill you would like to use at least on two people in the party takes 1/2 your mana, i think it's a little too high on mana cost, especially compared to the miniscule (comparatively) cost of cleric resurrect.

SatanicTroll - Sanctuary wrote: »

Mystics should go **** themselfs...nothing is better than a Cleric heal :P... Veno pets are better b:chuckle Just Sayin'

Veno got healing skills and revive?
Cleric got a pet to help DD ?
Oh, no! So, can you stop trolling, please?

Illithra - Archosaur wrote: »

I've been calling the Mystic a "Vemonancer on steriods"....The demon is superior to the pets because...1) is always the same level as the mystic when you summon it...2) cost nothing to care for....3) can travel/fight on land air or in the water....4) and if the demon is about to die and you don't want to heal it, you can make it explode and debuff the enemies around....and 5)the demon matches or excels any pet I owned in battle(never owned a herc or that other one you have to pay real money for).....

Hmm... No, no and no.

I think you chose your word wrong. "Superior', to me, is something that refers to the pet's abilities. So, having to lvl up/feed/rez a pet isn't itself a factor to inferiority/superiority of something. Like you wouldn't say an armor is better than another one just because it looks prettier, even if it has worse stats/bonuses.

Secondly "if you don't want to heal it"... LOL. First, why wouldn't you wanna heal your pet ? Then the worse in this sentence is your misinformation. If you sacrifice a PET (a summon, more precisely) it won't explode and damage/debuff ennemies around. It will grant you certain buffs for 20 to 30 secs (for Salvation). The damage/debuff exploding things are the plants. And you don't/can't heal plants.

Finally... I'd rather 100x times have a herc I must lvl up/feed/rez (which I have on my veno...) than something that doesn't need all this but has 1/4 its resistances.

The point is, Mystics aren't meant to be tanks, eventhough we're kinda able to solo/tank some bosses with our summons. We aren't meant to have a mini herc in our skill tree. Summons are meant to DD mostly (or protect, in Salvation's case).

Veno have their own advantages with pets that we don't have: they can tank much better than us with a herc. Mystics have other advantages venos don't have: our summons can aoe, stun for 5 secs, protect us or other people, or deal massive damage in Cragglord's case. And, in general, they hit harder than veno's pets when they use their skills.

Btw, I'd just ask, referring to Cragglord's topic that: Thanks pwi Cragglord doesn't last long enough for us to really solo with it tanking. Why ? Well, if you have for free something that can do a Herc's and a Nix's jobs at once, it would be totally unbalanced toward venos who would have spent hundreds of $ or millions of coins in two pets that mystics could have for free in one and thus do the job even faster and more easily.

Every class has their purposes and are essentially different even when they have many common points. That's the beauty of the game and the whole reason why different classes exist.

Illithra - Archosaur wrote: »

I've been calling the Mystic a "Vemonancer on steriods"....The demon is superior to the pets because...1) is always the same level as the mystic when you summon it...2) cost nothing to care for....3) can travel/fight on land air or in the water....4) and if the demon is about to die and you don't want to heal it, you can make it explode and debuff the enemies around....and 5)the demon matches or excels any pet I owned in battle(never owned a herc or that other one you have to pay real money for).....Now lets talk plant summoning......they attack the enemy in thier range(switching to another target automacily after first is dead), and also can be made to explode before the duration.....and well they can't change into a fox/tiger and go to the front line, their great range fighter and have resurrect and other good healing skills to make up for their lesser melee ability.....I'm dumping my vemonacer to concentrate on my mystic.......never really tried a cleric so can't make any comparison.....

Chickflic - Archosaur wrote: »

First of all, not having to feed,or level up is a bonus...and their stats are just as good as the pets my vemonacer had

sorry I did misspoke and you are right it does buff (thanks for the correction),but you missed the point that it is a bonus action you can do with your demon you can't with the pet...and why would you heal a plant, it only last up to a minute...exploding it at duration is much more useful(more so if you have a few plants in the same area)...plants are great for luring....

I already said I never own a herc and never will....

never said mystic were tanks(please don't put words in my mouth)...and I never said they were meant to have a mini herc in the skill tree..and by what you've written below vemonacer are only better tanks if they have a herc....

Yeah, I meant venos are only better tanks than mystics with a herc... After all, Devil Chihyu has comparable stats with a magmite (maybe a bit less, but won't do much difference) so you quite "tank" with Chihyu like with a magmite.

Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »

im wondering, does rapid growth stack with the energy leech of storm mistress for a total of +250% magic attack? if it does then combining that with thicket+extreme poison+creeper=owned.

but ya i feel like mystics are lacking severly in alot of areas. i find no need at all for there healing skills. the only healing skill they realy need is vital/healing herb and break in the clouds. what they TRULY need is a MP restoration skill/plant. they burn mana so fast for skills that dont even do much dmg at all.

1. vital/healing herb and break in the clouds thats 3 only(kk no Comforting Mist) ..are you cleric? no
2. if you say mystics dont even do much damage at all then i believe u r pure vit
3. you are right about mana
4. rapid growth can stack with energy leech of mistress but you may want to change the order

last i want to add some info
Devil Chihyu- Energy Leech to improve your Physical Defense
by 100% and Critical Hit Rate by 30% for 20 seconds.

Storm Mistress-Use Energy
Leech to increase your Magic Defense by 100%
and Magic Attack by 200% for 20 seconds

energy leech = 20sec of [Annal]

Bearleeable - Lost City wrote: »

I feel if you take any single mystic ability and compare it with any other class it will fall short. However if you combine all the crazy abilities mystics have for various situations, i think it quickly becomes apparent they have a strong place in the game.

These are my exact thoughts for the Mystic class. It cannot replace the existing classes but it still has a strong place in the game.

b:surrender Im a mystic,

i was looking at this post and there is one u kinda missed and its a summon skill plant at that fact vital herb its close to a BB not maken up for the less dmg taken but making up for that is the hp regen with its heal. as for vital herb u can stack with healing herb and thats a HoT(heal over time)and this can be put with vital herbs maken BB id say is kinda even with vital herb altho BB beats it with dmg being lowered the vital herb wins with mp use and can be always used if you could plz look into the combo's of skills to plz and ty

Make a note that skills like BIDS and parasitic nova can be sparked, but sparking will not increase the damage of thicket. Thus, thicket falls short in this aspect.

I don't see how can ppl really compare a mystic to other classes...

Can't heal as good as cleric,
can't do as much dmg as wizard (DD),
can't tank/lure as good as a veno,
can't debuff/cast as fast as a psychic.

The skills may be a slight rip off/high mp cost of other classes but with good reason.
I don't think it's fair to go fishing what skills mystic sniped from other classes at all...I mean really can you compare veno heal pet vs. mystic. Mystic heals faster but look at their summons, low hp regen and no self heal skills at all no def buff on the only one that can tank and cost alot of mana to call out, also they ALWAYS start at half hp and no MP.
Sure it would be better then veno's heal on a veno's pet, but kinda necessary due to the fact their pets die nearly twice/three times as fast as the veno pet. To sit here and just look at the skills and say its better or worse is imo stupid. when what really matter is where its coming from. Unfourtunately most clerics, wizards, psychics, and venos can't Heal others, Do Damage, and constantly Debuff all at the same exact time. I mean i can't even see how anyone could try and compare mystic to cleric... seriously what buffs does mystic have? the only buff i see that can be cast on someone else is revive/petals, petals is not a REGEN, the flowers are regen, petals simply gives back hp for being hit once, I honestly don't think it's primary use was/is to be used on the Tanks but the DD rather who tend to pull hate/get hit by AoE. I think mystics real advantage over most classes is being able to die and really literally, not give a ****.. oh ya lets not forget the mass dmg/def/speed/stun/seal/freeze/sleep debuff spam in aoe.

Pure Int mystics hardly burn MP, fail harder if you don't make pure int.

I'll keep my veno