Sins when pvp is fair

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mine0s wrote: »

this is really interesting why in every game sin is overpowered? CUS IT STEALTHS!!!! OUTRAGEOUS(sarcastic) wtf cant u get some apothecary items and make the awareness buff(its an item idk its name) sin is 100% PvP class and sin in every game is called cus it can stealth. the only thing they should work on is making sin stealth wear off wen it has a DoT on it besides that sin doesnt need any other fixing. (FCC solo runs) WTH do i even need to talk about it? sin can stealth so it can avoid every mob except shades so dont QQ over something that doesnt need to be fixed.

I stoppped reading there. Remember when wizards got into nv? niether do i.

I say....


Detection gems.

Yeah you heard me. Detection gems. This would severely punish the player by forcing him to sacrifice gear slots JUST to fight sins specifically, but in return, he can see the freaking sins. It's both a punishment that not EVERYONE is willing to deal with (barbs and BMs will definitely remain blind to sins), but one that others (like wizards) practically feel forced to use.

Say what, 5 or 6 Detection per gem? This would mean a person would have to waste 6-7 sockets to see sins. An alternative would be to waste one slot, but only be able to see sins when using a pot.

Nothing needs to change with the sins or any else being able to detect their stealth. Here's a good idea, practice. Try dueling only sin for an hour or so...classes are balanced. Everything the sin does, is what they are meant to do.

Malicar - Raging Tide wrote: »

Nothing needs to change with the sins or any else being able to detect their stealth. Here's a good idea, practice. Try dueling only sin for an hour or so...classes are balanced. Everything the sin does, is what they are meant to do.

Here's an idea: YOU go practice. You clearly need more experience.

It's not uncommon for sins to kill a BM or barbarian in under three seconds without their charm even ticking. And fighting one shouldn't be a complete hassle: you can't AFK, you can't type, you can't fight anyone else and you can't stop running in circles or you're DEAD. The sin is also extremely expensive for a squishy's genie as they have to spam Expel. That's mathafacking ridiculous. I'd also love to hear you come up with a way for a Wizard to beat a sin.

Every other class aside from sins? Yeah, they're fairly balanced. Not perfectly, but alot better balanced than a lot of other MMOs. Impressive work from PWI, really. But Sins? No, they need a nerf. A good option would be that, if a sin tries to simply pop out of stealth and melee the target, then they'll first have to do the unstealthing animation, THEN they can attack. That'd prevent people from dying before the sin even unstealths.

Swirlz - Lost City wrote: »

He's unstealthed, it's just server lag.

Of course.

But the point is that when the server's NATURAL lag can ruin a player's chance to react at all, then we have a problem.

If you don't stand around in one place waiting for someone to come to you...your chances of living through a sin attack (except the +12 r9 skins) are greatly increased. Cause they dont' have to start beating on you first before they show up...they are forced to stun you. By the time they start attacking after the stun you have a chance to utilize domain on your genie (if you don't have it, get it).

I'm not much of a genie user when it comes to PK (I prefer the old methods before they even came out...that is using my ep skills) but there are quite a few times when I'm stunned and I don't see how...I use Domain and that gives me time to move again and or put my shield up / use 79 skill...which ever I can get off first.

Point is...don't stand still and let them have their way...make them work for it.

The ONLY good aspect of this game in terms of gameplay are TW, PvP, and pvp related events. Admittedly there a few pve things but they're mostly events. Everything players do in the game is to help them out with pvp. Because truly PvE sucks in this game. Here's what pve amounts to in this game: Kill this mob or collect this item. It might have been better if there were more to dimension to fighting the mobs. But it isn't, you can make the skill animations as pretty as you like but if the fighting isn't good to begin with then it'll only make the gameplay hollow. Now the only way this fighting is ever even fun is when you enter into pvp. Now if the pve were more satisfying then this game would be considered a little more than a pvp game. But that's not the case. So people look forward to pvp, so the classes have to be balanced to some degree. Now when you have a 5aps class that can kill ANY of the classes in the game without a second look back. When a player can absolutely do nothing to defend themselves, even the toughest class you have can do nothing to defend itself, then your game has serious problems. Then some players have some reasonable complaints about this then you won't even budge an inch. The only way past sins is to constantly remain in a team on pvp and never leave, role a seeker who can't do anything in one on one from what's been seen so far, or spend excruciating hours building a psy just in order to counter a sin, or just role a sin yourself. Now it might be a good idea to make it where other players can actually play other classes and once more enjoy it. All it would take is some slight tweeks to the game to balance out just ONE class.

Now the one of the main reasons that there is complaints against this is there are sin players reverse-whining because they don't want to lose their quote on quote feeling of "invincibility." Eventually you're going to lose a crapload of players over this. Because this is extremely vexing to the rest of us.
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Ps: GMs you might find this helpful. No disrespect. This just to me sums up everything to me about sin problem.

While you all make valid points, and i am not defending sins.... You need to realize that when you play a PvP server, you should be prepared to get shanked by sins. I'm sorry but that is the cold hard truth. As unfair as it is, it what you signed up for so either put up with it, or go back to PvE, you whiny *****. I mean no offence but if you don't like it....
You don't have to play it. There is no law against PvE. Sure PK isn't the same as PvP, so if it really bugs you, Open your dam squad settings and limit it to sins. refresh it often, and when a sin pops on the screen just watch you back. Or if that is too hard, the just leave the area....

Why am i the only person that brought these obvious facts to the table...?

Ps. don't bother flaming me for this, i have listened to people whine about this for ages, i know all the facts, i've just learned to accept them. I spend most of my time with former pvp players who quit and went to pve, the whine A LOT, so don't waste your time trying to debate this with me.

btw if u try and complain ( OH WHAT IF THEY HAVE +12 THIS OR +12 THAT OR USE THIS MOVE OR UR IN THIS SITUATION) lets face it. if ur fighting someone with +12 r9 gear ur pretty screwed regardless. still dosnt mean there that great just that the person has one hell of a credit card XD

demon_troll - Harshlands wrote: »

we Need To Give Bramble Buff Back And Along With Psy Reflect, Sins Won't Stand A Chance! That Bloody Sin Will Die From Killing Himself, I Would So Ask Veno And Psy Buff To Make Sins Die!

hater Get Out! Sins Damage + Psy Reflection Depletes Your Mp. You Can Use Any Skills. Even If The Reflection Is As Powerful As You Say, He Just Need To Attack Until Dreaden Nerves Ticks, And Use Force Stealth. They Also Have An Op Healing Skill You Know.

^highlight the above

supertroyman1 wrote: »

i say delete this thread and every other like it.
sins arnt op no matter what ppl think. they only complain because the dont have the brains (or balls) to take one on and actually be prepared.

if u have such a problem with sins train to fight them and quite QQing over it its very sad to watch.

hell the 75% of sins that do exist. only 5% r actually pro. others cant put a good string together to dave there left nut XD. hell just the other day i almost beat a 90 sin on my 80 psy

You clearly are talking about a simple duel. A psy 10 levels lower would never kill a sin, even when the sin is dumb. *ROFL sin missed headhunt and you get SB on them* He clearly did not have dreaden nerves, bloodpaint, tidal, focused and wolf.

I almost wanna "duel" your psy with my 80 archer who has no armor, just jones blessing and +5 bow.

AqueoLupas - Lost City wrote: »

sins are always created for pvp witch makes us suck at pve

And right here, you removed any shadow of a doubt that you are a complete idiiot who has no clue what you're talking about. Please, ****, gtfo, and don't come back until you have a high level sin and you're actually able to play it well.

AqueoLupas - Lost City wrote: »

UM ya have you ever thougt why phycis were created if you want a sin to kill himself by attacking you be a phycic other wise shut up you fail sins are always created for pvp witch makes us suck at pve
we sins have our own problems and we don't need to be weaker than we already are if your paraniod with sin fear don't pvp jeez how bout you join the seekers i heard rumors of them being anti-sin all in all this is how PWI staff made the game deal withit or go somewhere else that is all i have to say

While i agree that PewPew>QQ.....

I hate to break it to ya: sins are quite good at PvE
1) Bloodpaint: Definitely a PvE skill.
2) After you get your second spark at lvl 59, BP starts healing enough to actually be worthwhile.
3)sharding armor=more HP= PvE win....but not really an option at lower levels (unless your sin is a twink)
4)3-spark is just plain freaky powerful..when you even need it. i still have 10 levels till sage/demon spark, but I barely use my double spark now, a single is usually enough against normal mobs.
5)see 4

It's an uphill battle till you hit 59, then it gets easier....and easier....and easier...

When you hit about level 65-70, come back and tell me sins suck at PvE again, if you still believe it.