Clericless BH

Done BH Brim with 2 venos. Was intense.

Eyeofthtiger - Sanctuary wrote: »

Pfft who needs healers. Was gonna do BH delta stage 2 on spawn point once without cleric or any AA class. We ended it by doing full delta on spawn point without cleric. I was the barb and I was uncharmed lolz XD Died 3 times though but we made it XD.

If any1 doesn't believe me I have screenshots :P

Don't worry Eye if you want to do another delta full run I promise to heal you, also my demon IH will feed your mp, just PM me in-game b:cute

On the topic: As cleric I adviced on the low levels BH's and also with high ones most of the sqd's was mad looking for a cleric. So I find nice the way to learn how to run the bh's w/o a class and be able to complete it.

To the OP, I'd say to not underestimate the mystics. You cannot compare them to Wiz, who have a one and only very long channeling heal, and Psys who have a 30 secs cooldown aoe heal. We are totally decently equipped skill-wise to do most of the BHs as healers except those where you have to purify/rebuff/use BB.
As for BH59, I have a recent experience to share about my mystic (I was lvl 76):
So at the beginning we were a full squad, only missing a cleric. I was like "well guys, don't get mad for a cleric, I could do the job" but they just would keep searching and finally got one. So we did Drake, Glutt and Qianji but we needed also Zimo and Ofo... and the cleric had to leaven before we could do them. So she left, and I was like "don't worry, I can do it". The archer just wasnt convinced at all, so he left too. The others decided to stay and give it a try, the wiz was like "if you fail, I bring my cleric >.<". Finally we lost the sin too, and we had only me, the wiz and the veno left in squad. So what ? We did Zimo and Ofo just perfectly with the wiz (around 2.3k HP) tanking it all and he needed nothing else than my heals and my shields. I didn't find it really harder than with the cleric we had. Result: now I think the ppl that were with me will trust mystics a bit more in the future.

Either the OP is clueless about mystics and there healing power, or you had a bad experience with one attempting to heal and was probs a fail at it.

I had my veno solo all my BH29 and 39, but for BH51, I can heal the first and second boss like a peice of cake, the 3rd boss is obviously a lot harder due to its curse but I think my mystic can just about manage it, chucking the tank the salvation pets damage absorb skill as soon as there hit by curse, the tank of course will need some good gear for better chance, but its still possible, since we had to do zimo for BH51, i solo healed the tank for that when my mystic was level 61 and it went perfectly fine, if the mystic your with knows what there doing, there shouldent be a problem, people need to place more trust in *good* mystics, the problem only really starts if its some insane DD boss, which needs a lot of stacked heals, but even then, we dont have many 9x mystics to really judge there overall healing power.

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

Aren't mystic heals basically the same as cleric's heals, only with a higher MP cost?

There *Break in the clouds* heal is basicly wellspring yea, but with slightly faster casting, there regen only heals 3 times and doesnt stack per cast unlike ironheart which heals 5 times over 15 seconds and stacks with each heal, so depends how you wonna look at it.

Admittedly I've never played cleric, but even with zero experience in squad healing (apart from bubble when bb drops lol) I have little trouble solo healing in bhs so far. I haven't really done many bhs yet, with or without a cleric on my mystic, since finding a squad at noob levels is such a pain in the *** tho.

Sage break in the clouds/demon falling petals will have chance of purify so it will be awesome too.

How strange. My (using a herc) experiences:

BH39 is veno soloable, with lots of luring.
BH51 is veno soloable only right at the very end of the level range. (Drake has an evil debuff)
BH59 is veno soloable. And easy. And fun!
BH69 is... kittyelf (or elfybm) required. For pole - pyro and even guarnob are, you guessed it, veno soloable.
BH79 is veno soloable. Though the normal mobs are exceptionally pointy so you have to pay a lot of attention. If you've got a second tank, you can AOE linus and brigand and that's hilarious.
BH89 is veno soloable (yes, even Phlebo) but Brimstone's a royal pain in brimstone even if you DO wine it. Phlebo I have to chainheal.

So, um, yeah. Clerics? Optional. Except in hidden-frost and wraithgate, because pole is out of a venos reach.

More venos make these things even safer. Mystics too, presumably.

Can a venomancer keep the rest of the squad alive? If they steal aggro, and they will, then no. But a small healer should be enough to top up the occasional mistake, and the mystic res would be a nice thing for them to have.

Phlebo gave me problems earlier in my venolife.

Luring there STILL is a problem, I pretty much have to accept that I'm probably going to take a hit.

I generally stand at the FB pillar, tag the guard, let it run round the corner and then run down the path - it might follow me immediately, but usually it'll hit me once first.

The cactus I now have my own cactus kill without luring at all - phlebo goes crazy but can't reach us so who cares?

Then once the guards are gone I can tank with impunity. Luring phlebo himself is way too risky (though very cool when it does work)

I once healed a barb through Drake (in BH59) loong time ago, when people still knew theyr classes.

Cleric bailed on us halfway during the fight, so he went pure surivivablity and I did nothing but healing.
The DoT does alot of dmg to HA's, but the barb being a pro one interupted half of it and we were fine.

Nothing beats a cleric in healing. Mystic doesn't, wizzy doen't, psy doesn't.
Cleric is the only class build fully towards healing (ress, BB, a working Heal over time). Also a cleric is the only healer that can save the day (with the right people) during a near squad wipe. Wizzy heal isn't capable of saving a squishy from mobs, it's to slow for that (mystic might, but it's still only a single heal or an aoe heal with cooldown)

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And that's how you do it. He kills a herc, the next one goes in, the first herc gets ressed. Repeat.

He doens't use his axe skill very often - I've herc tanked pole long enough for a barb to res and be rebuffed and regain aggro many a time.

You can also cancel his attacks with genies (if you can survive the AOEs) so you can keep each herc going for a little while.

Combine that with deliberately causing him to run back and forth between the two hercs and you can prolong their life quite a long way.

I've done it once dual-herc. The pain and risk isn't worth it, but it's a fantastic challenge.

Yep, done this also, just for fun (we had to try it). It involved running around the pond a bit once or twice when we had incidents but it worked.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Phlebo gave me problems earlier in my venolife.

Luring there STILL is a problem, I pretty much have to accept that I'm probably going to take a hit.

I generally stand at the FB pillar, tag the guard, let it run round the corner and then run down the path - it might follow me immediately, but usually it'll hit me once first.

The cactus I now have my own cactus kill without luring at all - phlebo goes crazy but can't reach us so who cares?

Then once the guards are gone I can tank with impunity. Luring phlebo himself is way too risky (though very cool when it does work)

For Phlebo I always just made use of my zeal. Got the two antelopes near him first and took them out with herc, and usually ignored the two adds at the back. I just used zeal to pull phlebo as far forward as he would run and caught him with herc. In the process he hit me once with bleed generally, which I just used one pot while spam healing herc to counter (probably didn't need to, but just in case).

I did wave 2 BH once with no cleric since when someone got 1k'd at wave 1 somehow and we left to go get them, she got the dc bug and couldn't make it back in. we just said "lets try it anyway". and sure enough managed to finish out the entire bh wave 2 with no cleric (including bosses) and only a mana 1 aura.

for lower level BH's I was considering the possibility of a melee tank with high damage with BP, mystic buff for heal over time when attacked, psy team heal, pots, and wizzie block heals. both sins and fist bm's can cancel magic attacks with their interrupt skills (as can barb, but their damage is suxxors on tank build so BP doesn't heal as much for them) and can spark resist others.

Meh Mystics heal just as good as clerics, they just use more mp. Lack of clerics will not be an issue once there is more higher level Mystics really.

Only difference is that Mystics cant give you 4 types of buffs and cant purify the tank, so really only BH69 thats kinda impossible without at least one cleric. Mystics party heal together with summon plants is a working alternative to BB as well.

Than there is Blood paint...which heals just as good as a cleric, if you have max aps and high attack.

Psy + Wiz heals kinda suck tho <.<

Sage mystics will have a 25% chance to purify on their wellspring heal. Thats like spamming a free purify every 4-5 seconds on the average. I think at higher levels mystics will be fine but at super high levels a lot classes can solo stuff anyway.

Squads without clerics?!?! b:shocked I wouldn't know such a thing, seeing as I'm a cleric. But w/e floats your boat, I don't have trouble finding squads and I don't see anyone having trouble finding clerics on HT.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

So now that there are 3 classes other than Cleric that can heal, I've had the opportunity to run a clericless BH.

Wiz and Psy together are not enough to heal on a BH. Wiz, Psy, and Mystic are not quite enough to heal on a BH, unless there is a Herc tanking, or the mystic is tanking and a veno is helping, AND the Mystic has Twink gear (Twink: a player playing an alt who has purchased the best possible gear using funding available from an endgame main; term used in other MMO's for those of you confused by the term; IE, mold gear refined with the highest level shards that fits the play style the mystie is using).

DISCLAMER:before you read below, i do infact aknowledge that clerics are the main healing class, support clerics (especially LA ones) as the squad's main healing class, do not think mystics can replace them, and would still, even tho i'm a secondary healing class, gladly chuck myself or my pet, or both infront of the cleric after casting a self res buff on him/her so save their *** because i know they can heal the squad better and create less of a chance of a party wipe than i could by myself. that being said, plz read on.

um, really? mystics can't heal a BH?

look, i'm not gonna be delusional here, we are nowhere near as good as clerics, that's just a fact, we lack their buffs, we only have 1 direct single target healing skill, 2 ironheart-like skill that niether stacks, or goes for as long as ironheart, and 1 direct healing AoE skill that has an obscene mana cost. oh yeah, and the salvation pet, while it it might be good fer a damage abzorber at higher levels, it sucks right now.

sure, we got plants, but in my opinion, the lvl 49 one has an effect that causes me to decide not to even buy it. and the lvl 39 one, while it has a long duration time, even at lvl 12, it doesn't heal all that much.... 125 ever 2 seconds, i'm pretty sure ironheart could do way better than that. and mine right now just has the lvl 1 status, 35 every 2 seconds....

with that being said. i'm lvl 47, my healing skills and pet heal are as follows:

break in the clouds: level 10
falling petals: level 2
healing herb: lvl 1
comforting mist: lvl 1
heal summon: lvl 8

i would also like to add that i am a light armor mystic, and end with the following statement.

thank you for making me feel like a total pro, because if a wizard, and a psy, and a mystic "aren't quite enough" to heal a bh/fb, then either yer dungeon running with total noobs, or i am a frackin pro healer in the same degree of awsomeness as my old homie akronox, because i can heal through every bh/fb up ta lvl 47, and when i hit the next dungeon, chances are, i'm heal that one like a pro too.

lvl 47 light armor mystic ftw......