Assasins

Tigriss_f - Raging Tide · March 2011

I don't know if it was a glitch with the numbers that came up or something but a sin did 32k damage to my veno in cube one day. I only have 2500hp thob:surrender

Kaste - Sanctuary · March 2011

QQ Sins are OP? Roll one yourself, gear it up by selling your house and feel the OPness yourself. In fact, PWI can remove all the other classes, Sins are the only good PvE and PvP classes, so why don't we all roll one. . .?

/sarkasm

Dimitrik - Dreamweaver · March 2011

Zyfou - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I hate to pull the Core Connect card here, but you don't appear to have a character past level 70.

Write down and memorize your tactics, level yourself to 100, and fight against what we're talking about.

I'll value your conclusion then.

You know you can elect to not show characters on Core, right?

That said, your approval means all the world to me.

Kaste - Sanctuary · March 2011

Tigriss_f - Raging Tide wrote: »

I don't know if it was a glitch with the numbers that came up or something but a sin did 32k damage to my veno in cube one day. I only have 2500hp thob:surrender

32k? OH my gawd! Lame.

There is a barb that hits for 2 millions xD. And no he is not a GM. zerk-crit with amp, hf, EP and some more stuff.

Longknife - Harshlands · March 2011

I think there's no denying sins need a nerf.

Either something to prevent them from using 5 APS DIRECTLY out of stealth (a nerf where they automatically do the stealth skill motion to exit stealth before they can start attacking would be lulzy) or some form of a more permanent detection level increase available to all classes.

Tigriss_f - Raging Tide · March 2011

Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »

32k? OH my gawd! Lame.

There is a barb that hits for 2 millions xD. And no he is not a GM. zerk-crit with amp, hf, EP and some more stuff.

That was the first time I saw a number that big. I don't pvp here. My max lvl so far is lvl70b:surrender Not partied with many high levels. I didn't know damage could get that high.

Zyfou - Heavens Tear · March 2011

Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »

See, that's the hangup though. A blademaster's offense is based on their strength. Unfortunately for the blademasters who want 5 APS, they go with fists - which has the highest demand on Dexterity, which in turn does zip-all for their damage output.

You're right, the unfortunate thing about 5aps BMs is that they have to use -int fists/claws, and in doing so have to sacrifice a portion of their attribute pool to, at least, minimum dex requirements to use them. They can't reset vit or mag into str at endgame, because they need hp and mp to survive and use lots of skills.

Basically, 5aps characters hit about as hard as a starving 9-year-old Ethiopian girl that is a prodigy at bongo drums in a drum circle. We're just all too stupid to figure out why we keep inviting them on our Nirvana and TT runs just to have them fail us by weakly slapping bosses on their tummies and having the bosses laugh and wipe our squads.

/s

What level characters did you choose not to elect into your profile?

Noskrad - Heavens Tear · March 2011

Squirrel - Harshlands wrote: »

GM pls respond

why that stupid race can bypass players charm and when they attack we don`t even got dmg in our dmg log and we are dead how that happend ? and what we can do to defend our selfs ? PWI like assasins that much ? b:angryb:angryb:angry

Every class has a specialization, assassin's specialization is 1 vs 1 PvP, so don't expect to win a battle against them easily. I heard that Seekers are the best class to make assassins get out of their stealth mode and kill them. Anyway, I still thinking that if you wanna have a fair fight against an assassin, you have to train your own assassin too, cuz if you wanted to compete with a barb to see who has better survivability, you wouldn't use a wizzard, would you?.

zizoun · March 2011

Noskrad - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I heard that Seekers are the best class to make assassins get out of their stealth mode and kill them.

just big lol...

get a char to 100 first to know what they're talking about

Nikit - Harshlands · March 2011

Well yea people do QQ about sin OPnes....and they do have a point....they are better than any other class in pve and pvp....just being not much useful in tws doesnt mean that they are any less OP....like what the hell, they can get 5aps without sacrifising their dex....every other 5 aps class do sacrifice some of their attributes to get 5 aps and to some extent it reduces the damage.... + dex gives them evasion and accuracy adding to their OPnes....devs need to make things better for other classes too....old classes are being neglected....in my 90s it was hard to find a squad as an archer for fc...cz most of them want sins...When people world chat for DD these days it only means 5aps bm or sin....i miss the days when an archer was also considered as a good DD....

Dpicic - Harshlands · March 2011

Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »

A balance that you could suggest is that the dagger damage output also be determined by strength.

hehehe "good" idea....give us HA sin.. b:chuckle

Sereneai - Dreamweaver · March 2011

FailHardCore - Raging Tide wrote: »

also would like to point out whats with the stupid fist barbs and archers QQ thats so ****

No comment on the fist barbs, but I would like to point out that sins=melee archers. Archer build is great for fists (if they are willing to sacrifice a bit of dex to meet the str requirements), why should they NOT use a tool they are well suited to? It gives a class that sucks close range an option for melee when they desire.

Heck, I carry around a TT70 bow on my sin to give myself a ranged option b:surrender

_Aubree__ - Dreamweaver · March 2011

Noskrad - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Every class has a specialization, assassin's specialization is 1 vs 1 PvP, so don't expect to win a battle against them easily. I heard that Seekers are the best class to make assassins get out of their stealth mode and kill them. Anyway, I still thinking that if you wanna have a fair fight against an assassin, you have to train your own assassin too, cuz if you wanted to compete with a barb to see who has better survivability, you wouldn't use a wizzard, would you?.

Damage output = survivability too. Survivability is both how much damage you can take and also kill someone else. That's why a wizard and barb would go against each other. Wizards rely on damage output to survive.

For those saying sin don't have survivability, check again. Why do you think they solo most everything?

vristion · March 2011

What makes them OP is unlike all other classes, they don't have a balanced threat...

Every other class fits in the line of a circle, that makes them better than one class, but weaker to another... Sins being able to deal phyisical damage, and **** HA classes puts them outside of any circle.. and stealth... shadow escape BP is better surviabilty than anyother classe. So really to put them in lined with every other class, one of the 2 things needs to be nerfed... less survibility, or less damage.

As it is now...they extreme dmage output is outdoing the other classes surviabilty skills...

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear · March 2011

Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »

See, that's the hangup though. A blademaster's offense is based on their strength. Unfortunately for the blademasters who want 5 APS, they go with fists - which has the highest demand on Dexterity, which in turn does zip-all for their damage output.

[...]

But as far as a blademaster goes, they're sacrificing damage potential for faster attacks.

that, right there, was you demonstrating you have NO idea what APS does in this game. FYI: 5APS BM's do not merely have higher damage potential than non-APS BM's, they have higher actual damage output. by far. that is why there ARE 5APS BM's in the game --- and barbs, and anybody else playing the APS game. they'd be very stupidly wasting their time going for APS except for the fact that it gives them greater total damage by any reasonable way to measure it.

kevin97801 · March 2011

Noskrad - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Every class has a specialization, assassin's specialization is 1 vs 1 PvP, so don't expect to win a battle against them easily. I heard that Seekers are the best class to make assassins get out of their stealth mode and kill them. Anyway, I still thinking that if you wanna have a fair fight against an assassin, you have to train your own assassin too, cuz if you wanted to compete with a barb to see who has better survivability, you wouldn't use a wizzard, would you?.

If sins are to be specialized in 1v1 pvp can we at least nerf them in PvE.

PWI sins are weird compared to other games, because at end game they feel like a PvE op class.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear · March 2011

simple solution.

add +100 detection pots into the game that lasts atleast 1-2 mins. problem solved.

a sins main problem is they get 1 hit by a feather. if u can see them coming it will be easy as horse **** to kill them.b:bye

and u cant nerf there APS. idk if you have ever seen a skill spamming sin in PvP but it fails, and it fails hard. a skill spamming sin wont even tick a charm unless its against AA. high APS is pretty much there only option. the problem is sins have perma stealth. in other games invisiblity skills have a time limit. in this game u can be invisible piratically for as long as u see fit.

tidesuxbadly · March 2011

I have a lvl 100 Sin Rank 8 ,, will become Rank 9 Soon and Im a few days away from ANOther Rank 8 sin - All cash shop all dollars - So yeah WE sins buy our ticket to OPness .. now deal with it.

and love us.b:bye

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