Assasins
Squirrel - Harshlands
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GM pls respond
why that stupid race can bypass players charm and when they attack we don`t even got dmg in our dmg log and we are dead how that happend ? and what we can do to defend our selfs ? PWI like assasins that much ? b:angryb:angryb:angry
why that stupid race can bypass players charm and when they attack we don`t even got dmg in our dmg log and we are dead how that happend ? and what we can do to defend our selfs ? PWI like assasins that much ? b:angryb:angryb:angry
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Squirrel - Harshlands wrote: »GM pls respond
why that stupid race can bypass players charm and when they attack we don`t even got dmg in our dmg log and we are dead how that happend ? and what we can do to defend our selfs ? PWI like assasins that much ? b:angryb:angryb:angry
I was directly speaking with this problem with one of GM. He was unable to tell me what to do against them.(just telling BS) It was 8 months ago. That was the reason why I got so pissed off, that I stopped to play.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
get more hp and you wont die so quick and then your charm will tick... simple as really.
cant exspect to be running around with 6k hp and a sin with +10-12 daggers not too kill you fast.0 -
NoXide_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »get more hp and you wont die so quick and then your charm will tick... simple as really.
cant exspect to be running around with 6k hp and a sin with +10-12 daggers not too kill you fast.
I have 24k hp and my charm doesn't always tick either. b:surrenderIt's a game and I'm proud to be a stupid fail demon barb!
My EPIC Fail Demon Barb has 40k/48k HP and my stat points are as follows:
VIT 552 STR 310 DEX 60! b:surrender0 -
actualy running around with 9k hp and 13k def and still don`t know how he can kill me before i can react and i don`t have any dmg in my dmg log how much time he hit me ? 1 , 2, 3 , 4 ? any dmg ? how much he do on me ? any idea ? or continue talking bulsh1ts ?0
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SteelStar - Heavens Tear wrote: »I have 24k hp and my charm doesn't always tick either. b:surrender
ouch then thats some serious bug you got going, mine always ticks.Squirrel - Harshlands wrote: »actualy running around with 9k hp and 13k def and still don`t know how he can kill me before i can react and i don`t have any dmg in my dmg log how much time he hit me ? 1 , 2, 3 , 4 ? any dmg ? how much he do on me ? any idea ? or continue talking bulsh1ts ?
first hit outta stealth never shows up on your targets attack log, dont ask me why it just dosnt. the first hit outta stealth is normaly the hardest hitting the sin will do which would prob 1 hit tick you and you just never realised it.
or which is in some cases and its not just with sins this happens, iv seen bms do it too. any high aps char can auto by pass anyones charms if they hit fast and hard enough to kill someone within 1 second of the target being at 50% hp. i dont know why this happens but my guess is its down to server lag.0 -
its not a bug. 5kcrits all coming at you in less then 1 second. thats 25k dmg in 1 second.
charm doesnt have time to tick.b:chuckle same thing with damage logs. because hits are coming so fast the damage logs dont have time to react either.0 -
NoXide_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
first hit outta stealth never shows up on your targets attack log, dont ask me why it just dosnt.
Wrong.0 -
Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »Wrong.
go make a vid and prove me wrong. otherwise **** b:bye0 -
Loluqq? Get more def and hp please b:byeI, II and III spark is the most cheesiest skill in PWI and it should be removed or massively nerfed.
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Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »Wrong.
Hes right.
The first hit will never appear in your targets log unless they can see you.
I think it has somethign to do with the fact that your targets client doesnt even know you are there until they leave stealth, hence that first hit comes quite literally, from nowhere.
If oyuve ever had that first hit show in your log, you better be sure it was their first hit, and remember that using say Telestun is a "first hit" and you are then triggered on their client, so your first DAMGAE hit will be shown. But a direct hit will not.0 -
Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »Loluqq? Get more def and hp please b:bye
Self-buffed, 16k defense, 22k hp in tiger, full r9, 46 defense level.
Experienced no-charm-tick deaths a few times but only from one particular sin on the server. So yes, it can happen.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Making "non-trash-talkers" show their true color. RAGE ON! b:laugh0 -
Dear PWI,
Please make one character class useless. It forces us to develop tactics that the other classes don't. We would rather continue to rely on items saving us instead of skill, preparation, or reaction speed. Thank you.
...More HP = more survivability. This is why I laugh at the people who completely avoid the Vitality stat. See, assassins aren't invincible. It's quite the opposite. They die pretty easily. Their HP is abysmal, and their defense is pathetic. They balance this out by having insane offense. So getting all frustrated at someone using their class to its full potential is just silly.
The short is, tough nuggets. Get better at PvP, find ways to avoid it, or just quit whining when someone reminds you that not all battles will be as typical as the rest.0 -
QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQDimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »Dear PWI,
Please make one character class useless. It forces us to develop tactics that the other classes don't. We would rather continue to rely on items saving us instead of skill, preparation, or reaction speed. Thank you.
...More HP = more survivability. This is why I laugh at the people who completely avoid the Vitality stat. See, assassins aren't invincible. It's quite the opposite. They die pretty easily. Their HP is abysmal, and their defense is pathetic. They balance this out by having insane offense. So getting all frustrated at someone using their class to its full potential is just silly.
The short is, tough nuggets. Get better at PvP, find ways to avoid it, or just quit whining when someone reminds you that not all battles will be as typical as the rest.
is all im seeing here ijs and i bypass squishys all the time on my sin im lvl 92 with about 30% crit so i mean when i trip spark oculat ice 3 crits a cleric with 9k hp is done
ive bypassed a barbs charm before like that so idk every QQ so much just go to a pve server if u dont like it k thanks byeThe base of anyones power comes from their knowledge and patience if u do not have those qualitys u have power over noone b:angry
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Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »Dear PWI,
Please make one character class useless. It forces us to develop tactics that the other classes don't. We would rather continue to rely on items saving us instead of skill, preparation, or reaction speed. Thank you.
...More HP = more survivability. This is why I laugh at the people who completely avoid the Vitality stat. See, assassins aren't invincible. It's quite the opposite. They die pretty easily. Their HP is abysmal, and their defense is pathetic. They balance this out by having insane offense. So getting all frustrated at someone using their class to its full potential is just silly.
The short is, tough nuggets. Get better at PvP, find ways to avoid it, or just quit whining when someone reminds you that not all battles will be as typical as the rest.
It amuses me that I have 21K HP on my BM and I can stand outisde west gate with demon phys marrow up and spam demon bell for 26K+ p.def, and be dropped in 5 hits by an unsparked sin in a seconds time without my charm ever ticking. ...And hes only using 1st recast.
But hey, when the rankings were up I was only the #7 ranked BM in PVP kills across all servers so, I guess i just need to get better at pvp.
Sins are broken, they have been since day 1, and PWI will never do anything about it. Complaining does no good, so why bother? This is the only game I have ever seen where there are consistantly numerous threads complaining on a single topic, on a daily basis, for over a year without the issue being so much as addressed by the devs/GMs. Sadly, nothing will ever change with their pet goldfish.0 -
Then your serves must suck hard. At this rate every AA class should have got expel (genie skill)FailHardCore - Raging Tide wrote: »QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
is all im seeing here ijs and i bypass squishys all the time on my sin im lvl 92 with about 30% crit so i mean when i trip spark oculat ice 3 crits a cleric with 9k hp is done
ive bypassed a barbs charm before like that so idk every QQ so much just go to a pve server if u dont like it k thanks bye0 -
HappysHAIL - Harshlands wrote: »It amuses me that I have 21K HP on my BM and I can stand outisde west gate with demon phys marrow up and spam demon bell for 26K+ p.def, and be dropped in 5 hits by an unsparked sin in a seconds time without my charm ever ticking. ...And hes only using 1st recast.
But hey, when the rankings were up I was only the #7 ranked BM in PVP kills across all servers so, I guess i just need to get better at pvp.
Sins are broken, they have been since day 1, and PWI will never do anything about it. Complaining does no good, so why bother? This is the only game I have ever seen where there are consistantly numerous threads complaining on a single topic for over a year without the issue being so much as addressed by the devs/GMs. Sadly, nothing will ever change with their pet goldfish.
Sorry, bud. There's a lot of information missing from that scenario to sway me. What level was the assassin? What gear was he using? You could see, in seconds, whether or not he was sparked? And within seconds, you could analyze his attack enough to call it bugged?
Come on, pal. Just admit it. You weren't ready for an assassin, and you paid for it. I'm not trying to suck up to the class, but they did change the PK game quite a bit with the introduction of stealth, among other things. Their whole playstyle forces the defender to rethink their strategy. Standing by and hoping to weather it just won't work.
So, if you wanna justify your grumpiness with your game rank or whatever, I'd suggest you go with the first option. Get better at PK. New classes come in and shake the dynamics up. It's what they do. They're not broken because of it.0 -
Eyeofthtiger - Sanctuary wrote: »Then your serves must suck hard. At this rate every AA class should have got expel (genie skill)
Condensed Thorn (Or other elemental attack buff) - Tackling Slash (It hits cos of the water damage) - Any other stuns / etc.
You can be controlled ALL the way through expel and then rofl ***** because you cant start casting before thay start ****.
Or, for the less intelligent sin - Stealth, wait it out and build chi - rofl **** the moment its gone.0 -
Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »Sorry, bud. There's a lot of information missing from that scenario to sway me. What level was the assassin? What gear was he using? You could see, in seconds, whether or not he was sparked? And within seconds, you could analyze his attack enough to call it bugged?
Come on, pal. Just admit it. You weren't ready for an assassin, and you paid for it. I'm not trying to suck up to the class, but they did change the PK game quite a bit with the introduction of stealth, among other things. Their whole playstyle forces the defender to rethink their strategy. Standing by and hoping to weather it just won't work.
So, if you wanna justify your grumpiness with your game rank or whatever, I'd suggest you go with the first option. Get better at PK. New classes come in and shake the dynamics up. It's what they do. They're not broken because of it.
APS based sins are broken. Fact.
Im pretty sure noone minds them oneshotting arcane classes and being OP to LA classes they jump, but when the can drop some of the best geared HA people on the server in less than 10 seconds without them being able to fight back, its ****ing broken and you know it.0 -
Eyeofthtiger - Sanctuary wrote: »Then your serves must suck hard. At this rate every AA class should have got expel (genie skill)
they prob do but do they have enough time to click it b:thanksThe base of anyones power comes from their knowledge and patience if u do not have those qualitys u have power over noone b:angry
Fail has struck again!!0 -
This is what sins brought to PvP:
ppl who were already good pk'ers/good geared are now crazy OP
ppl who used to be fail now have a cheap shot for a virtual self esteem.0 -
Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »APS based sins are broken. Fact.
Fact. Just because you add the word "fact" at the end of your sentence doesn't make it true.
And for the record, APS is kind've what a sin does. It isn't tanking, it isn't pulling. It's damaging. The low damage yield of a dagger is off-set by the speed in which the assassin uses it.
Do you see barbarians running around in light or arcane armor? Why, no, that would be ****. They wear heavy armor to play to their strengths. Get it?0 -
Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »Sorry, bud. There's a lot of information missing from that scenario to sway me. What level was the assassin? What gear was he using? You could see, in seconds, whether or not he was sparked? And within seconds, you could analyze his attack enough to call it bugged?
Come on, pal. Just admit it. You weren't ready for an assassin, and you paid for it. I'm not trying to suck up to the class, but they did change the PK game quite a bit with the introduction of stealth, among other things. Their whole playstyle forces the defender to rethink their strategy. Standing by and hoping to weather it just won't work.
So, if you wanna justify your grumpiness with your game rank or whatever, I'd suggest you go with the first option. Get better at PK. New classes come in and shake the dynamics up. It's what they do. They're not broken because of it.
Ok, when you survive a sparked 5aps sin on your *** come back and tell us.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »Fact. Just because you add the word "fact" at the end of your sentence doesn't make it true.
And for the record, APS is kind've what a sin does. It isn't tanking, it isn't pulling. It's damaging. The low damage yield of a dagger is off-set by the speed in which the assassin uses it.
Do you see barbarians running around in light or arcane armor? Why, no, that would be ****. They wear heavy armor to play to their strengths. Get it?
Daggers deal way more damage per hit compared to comparable fists, and you have no opportunity to respond half the time if they have extreme aps (Im talking 3.33+) from stealth.
Noone complains about fist BMs because at last you get to see them coming. Sins hit harder, on average hit faster (I know way more 2.5+ Sins than I do BMs) And hit when you cannot defend yourself.
Playing to your strengths and getting so much more than anyone else is the definition of OP.
Im not saying I want sins gone or anything, I personally dont give a ****, ive got my own and I love her, but I seem to be the only Sin capable of understanding that OP is what my class is.....
As for your barb /arcane comment, well no, that would make them weaker. Im not asking for people to change the gear they use. Just that someday the bonuses it gives will be lessened.
Just think Autoattack being say half base damage. Thatd be nice, skills would deal similar dps then, and people would have more chance to fight back unless the sin knew how to play! :O0 -
Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »Daggers deal way more damage per hit compared to comparable fists, and you have no opportunity to respond half the time if they have extreme aps (Im talking 3.33+) from stealth.
Noone complains about fist BMs because at last you get to see them coming. Sins hit harder, on average hit faster (I know way more 2.5+ Sins than I do BMs) And hit when you cannot defend yourself.
Playing to your strengths and getting so much more than anyone else is the definition of OP.
Im not saying I want sins gone or anything, I personally dont give a ****, ive got my own and I love her, but I seem to be the only Sin capable of understanding that OP is what my class is.....
As for your barb /arcane comment, well no, that would make them weaker. Im not asking for people to change the gear they use. Just that someday the bonuses it gives will be lessened.
Just think Autoattack being say half base damage. Thatd be nice, skills would deal similar dps then, and people would have more chance to fight back unless the sin knew how to play! :O
See, that's the hangup though. A blademaster's offense is based on their strength. Unfortunately for the blademasters who want 5 APS, they go with fists - which has the highest demand on Dexterity, which in turn does zip-all for their damage output.
A balance that you could suggest is that the dagger damage output also be determined by strength.
But as far as a blademaster goes, they're sacrificing damage potential for faster attacks. Could say it works out more for them, or you could argue the other direction. Another thing to remember with that is the skill limitation. Blademasters are made for versatility, and their skill selection emphasizes this. As such, their fist skills aren't going to complement their total damage output/have the same resourceful potential as an assassin. Keep in mind, assassins only use daggers. All their skills are centered on that, so they'll get the most mileage out of them.
This is why I personally don't strive for a 5 APS blademaster. I pick my weapon based on the skills that come with it and the situation at hand. That makes the comparison between an assassin and blademaster tricky.0 -
Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »See, that's the hangup though. A blademaster's offense is based on their strength. Unfortunately for the blademasters who want 5 APS, they go with fists - which has the highest demand on Dexterity, which in turn does zip-all for their damage output.
A balance that you could suggest is that the dagger damage output also be determined by strength.
But as far as a blademaster goes, they're sacrificing damage potential for faster attacks. Could say it works out more for them, or you could argue the other direction. Another thing to remember with that is the skill limitation. Blademasters are made for versatility, and their skill selection emphasizes this. As such, their fist skills aren't going to complement their total damage output/have the same resourceful potential as an assassin. Keep in mind, assassins only use daggers. All their skills are centered on that, so they'll get the most mileage out of them.
This is why I personally don't strive for a 5 APS blademaster. I pick my weapon based on the skills that come with it and the situation at hand. That makes the comparison between an assassin and blademaster tricky.
also would like to point out whats with the stupid fist barbs and archers QQ thats so ****The base of anyones power comes from their knowledge and patience if u do not have those qualitys u have power over noone b:angry
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LShattered - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ok, when you survive a sparked 5aps sin on your *** come back and tell us.
+100
Most forum trolls out there just say"Have more Hp",or"Use Expel",or"Get better at PvP",have probably no clue of what Sins can do in PvP and PvE as well(I've seen the BH metal boss drop in 20 secs with a single +12 dagger/5 aps sin in squad),they're simply CLUELESS
As she said,make a video of how you survive a 5 aps sparked Sin or don't bother replying with other clueless words.
b:byeThe only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry0 -
BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »As she said,make a video of how you survive a 5 aps sparked Sin or don't bother replying with other clueless words.
b:bye
The "screenshot or it didn't happen" thing is pretty ridiculous. According to this argument, it's literally and completely impossible to survive a sparked 5 APS sin attack. Like this is an absolutely foregone conclusion.
But hey, I'm a troll, right? That's what you're implying? Nothing I'm saying here has any credibility in the land of logic or reasoning.0 -
To the people saying "get more defense and HP," I'm sorry, but that's really not a solution.
Of course it seems like the logical one, but it's not.
Four days ago I witnessed a fight between one of Harshland's best geared Sins and one of Harshland's best geared fist BMs. The fist BM was demon and had the Demon bell buff (increases physical defense by an immense amount for a short period of time) and would stand and spam it, along with physical marrow. STILL DIED without a charm tick. As I was the main audience member, the fist BM whispered me and said "would you believe I had 26k physical defense and my charm STILL didn't tick?"
Hell, I think I might be able to provide a video. Not me, but I think I could get the BM to. The fist BM involved said they were considering making one just to show how OP sins are, and the sin himself is....quite fond of himself, and would probably gladly agree to showing off how OP he is.
All you can do in case of a sin is run around in non-stop, continuous circles and hover your mouse over expel. This is both annoying AND a huge waste of genie energy. It also will never promise you a kill, since the sin is perfectly free to retreat whenever he likes if you Expel yourself. So basically, you get to spend 12 flippin' minutes constantly moving and constantly paying attention, just so some **** (who you can't kill if he doesn't let you, since he WILL get a free window to run away) can try to kill you before the game itself even knows what happened. And should you manage to regularly beat him (because he has downs syndrome or something), then he'll likely react to your victory by stalking your *** for AGES until either someone attacks you or you attack someone else. Then, when you're highly distracted and low on HP/genie energy/chi, he'll kill you. He'll keep doing this, basically denying you of your right to PK, all because you shattered his ego. So much fun.I
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Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »The "screenshot or it didn't happen" thing is pretty ridiculous. According to this argument, it's literally and completely impossible to survive a sparked 5 APS sin attack. Like this is an absolutely foregone conclusion.
But hey, I'm a troll, right? That's what you're implying? Nothing I'm saying here has any credibility in the land of logic or reasoning.
Hello self-claimed troll
Yeah a Video is pretty ridiculous like any solid proof which all serious facts are based,random words from a random player on the other hand are so much trustworthy that we all bend to the authority of your statements.The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry0 -
Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »The "screenshot or it didn't happen" thing is pretty ridiculous. According to this argument, it's literally and completely impossible to survive a sparked 5 APS sin attack. Like this is an absolutely foregone conclusion.
But hey, I'm a troll, right? That's what you're implying? Nothing I'm saying here has any credibility in the land of logic or reasoning.
I hate to pull the Core Connect card here, but you don't appear to have a character past level 70.
Write down and memorize your tactics, level yourself to 100, and fight against what we're talking about.
I'll value your conclusion then.0
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