Assasins

get more hp and you wont die so quick and then your charm will tick... simple as really.

cant exspect to be running around with 6k hp and a sin with +10-12 daggers not too kill you fast.

its not a bug. 5kcrits all coming at you in less then 1 second. thats 25k dmg in 1 second.

charm doesnt have time to tick.b:chuckle same thing with damage logs. because hits are coming so fast the damage logs dont have time to react either.

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

Wrong.

go make a vid and prove me wrong. otherwise **** b:bye

Dear PWI,

Please make one character class useless. It forces us to develop tactics that the other classes don't. We would rather continue to rely on items saving us instead of skill, preparation, or reaction speed. Thank you.

...More HP = more survivability. This is why I laugh at the people who completely avoid the Vitality stat. See, assassins aren't invincible. It's quite the opposite. They die pretty easily. Their HP is abysmal, and their defense is pathetic. They balance this out by having insane offense. So getting all frustrated at someone using their class to its full potential is just silly.

The short is, tough nuggets. Get better at PvP, find ways to avoid it, or just quit whining when someone reminds you that not all battles will be as typical as the rest.

Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Dear PWI,

Please make one character class useless. It forces us to develop tactics that the other classes don't. We would rather continue to rely on items saving us instead of skill, preparation, or reaction speed. Thank you.

...More HP = more survivability. This is why I laugh at the people who completely avoid the Vitality stat. See, assassins aren't invincible. It's quite the opposite. They die pretty easily. Their HP is abysmal, and their defense is pathetic. They balance this out by having insane offense. So getting all frustrated at someone using their class to its full potential is just silly.

The short is, tough nuggets. Get better at PvP, find ways to avoid it, or just quit whining when someone reminds you that not all battles will be as typical as the rest.

It amuses me that I have 21K HP on my BM and I can stand outisde west gate with demon phys marrow up and spam demon bell for 26K+ p.def, and be dropped in 5 hits by an unsparked sin in a seconds time without my charm ever ticking. ...And hes only using 1st recast.

But hey, when the rankings were up I was only the #7 ranked BM in PVP kills across all servers so, I guess i just need to get better at pvp.

Sins are broken, they have been since day 1, and PWI will never do anything about it. Complaining does no good, so why bother? This is the only game I have ever seen where there are consistantly numerous threads complaining on a single topic, on a daily basis, for over a year without the issue being so much as addressed by the devs/GMs. Sadly, nothing will ever change with their pet goldfish.

HappysHAIL - Harshlands wrote: »

It amuses me that I have 21K HP on my BM and I can stand outisde west gate with demon phys marrow up and spam demon bell for 26K+ p.def, and be dropped in 5 hits by an unsparked sin in a seconds time without my charm ever ticking. ...And hes only using 1st recast.

But hey, when the rankings were up I was only the #7 ranked BM in PVP kills across all servers so, I guess i just need to get better at pvp.

Sins are broken, they have been since day 1, and PWI will never do anything about it. Complaining does no good, so why bother? This is the only game I have ever seen where there are consistantly numerous threads complaining on a single topic for over a year without the issue being so much as addressed by the devs/GMs. Sadly, nothing will ever change with their pet goldfish.

Sorry, bud. There's a lot of information missing from that scenario to sway me. What level was the assassin? What gear was he using? You could see, in seconds, whether or not he was sparked? And within seconds, you could analyze his attack enough to call it bugged?

Come on, pal. Just admit it. You weren't ready for an assassin, and you paid for it. I'm not trying to suck up to the class, but they did change the PK game quite a bit with the introduction of stealth, among other things. Their whole playstyle forces the defender to rethink their strategy. Standing by and hoping to weather it just won't work.

So, if you wanna justify your grumpiness with your game rank or whatever, I'd suggest you go with the first option. Get better at PK. New classes come in and shake the dynamics up. It's what they do. They're not broken because of it.

This is what sins brought to PvP:

ppl who were already good pk'ers/good geared are now crazy OP

ppl who used to be fail now have a cheap shot for a virtual self esteem.

Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sorry, bud. There's a lot of information missing from that scenario to sway me. What level was the assassin? What gear was he using? You could see, in seconds, whether or not he was sparked? And within seconds, you could analyze his attack enough to call it bugged?

Come on, pal. Just admit it. You weren't ready for an assassin, and you paid for it. I'm not trying to suck up to the class, but they did change the PK game quite a bit with the introduction of stealth, among other things. Their whole playstyle forces the defender to rethink their strategy. Standing by and hoping to weather it just won't work.

So, if you wanna justify your grumpiness with your game rank or whatever, I'd suggest you go with the first option. Get better at PK. New classes come in and shake the dynamics up. It's what they do. They're not broken because of it.

Ok, when you survive a sparked 5aps sin on your *** come back and tell us.

Infernia - Harshlands wrote: »

Daggers deal way more damage per hit compared to comparable fists, and you have no opportunity to respond half the time if they have extreme aps (Im talking 3.33+) from stealth.

Noone complains about fist BMs because at last you get to see them coming. Sins hit harder, on average hit faster (I know way more 2.5+ Sins than I do BMs) And hit when you cannot defend yourself.

Playing to your strengths and getting so much more than anyone else is the definition of OP.

Im not saying I want sins gone or anything, I personally dont give a ****, ive got my own and I love her, but I seem to be the only Sin capable of understanding that OP is what my class is.....

As for your barb /arcane comment, well no, that would make them weaker. Im not asking for people to change the gear they use. Just that someday the bonuses it gives will be lessened.

Just think Autoattack being say half base damage. Thatd be nice, skills would deal similar dps then, and people would have more chance to fight back unless the sin knew how to play! :O

See, that's the hangup though. A blademaster's offense is based on their strength. Unfortunately for the blademasters who want 5 APS, they go with fists - which has the highest demand on Dexterity, which in turn does zip-all for their damage output.

A balance that you could suggest is that the dagger damage output also be determined by strength.

But as far as a blademaster goes, they're sacrificing damage potential for faster attacks. Could say it works out more for them, or you could argue the other direction. Another thing to remember with that is the skill limitation. Blademasters are made for versatility, and their skill selection emphasizes this. As such, their fist skills aren't going to complement their total damage output/have the same resourceful potential as an assassin. Keep in mind, assassins only use daggers. All their skills are centered on that, so they'll get the most mileage out of them.

This is why I personally don't strive for a 5 APS blademaster. I pick my weapon based on the skills that come with it and the situation at hand. That makes the comparison between an assassin and blademaster tricky.

LShattered - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ok, when you survive a sparked 5aps sin on your *** come back and tell us.

+100

Most forum trolls out there just say"Have more Hp",or"Use Expel",or"Get better at PvP",have probably no clue of what Sins can do in PvP and PvE as well(I've seen the BH metal boss drop in 20 secs with a single +12 dagger/5 aps sin in squad),they're simply CLUELESS

As she said,make a video of how you survive a 5 aps sparked Sin or don't bother replying with other clueless words.
b:bye

To the people saying "get more defense and HP," I'm sorry, but that's really not a solution.

Of course it seems like the logical one, but it's not.


Four days ago I witnessed a fight between one of Harshland's best geared Sins and one of Harshland's best geared fist BMs. The fist BM was demon and had the Demon bell buff (increases physical defense by an immense amount for a short period of time) and would stand and spam it, along with physical marrow. STILL DIED without a charm tick. As I was the main audience member, the fist BM whispered me and said "would you believe I had 26k physical defense and my charm STILL didn't tick?"

Hell, I think I might be able to provide a video. Not me, but I think I could get the BM to. The fist BM involved said they were considering making one just to show how OP sins are, and the sin himself is....quite fond of himself, and would probably gladly agree to showing off how OP he is.



All you can do in case of a sin is run around in non-stop, continuous circles and hover your mouse over expel. This is both annoying AND a huge waste of genie energy. It also will never promise you a kill, since the sin is perfectly free to retreat whenever he likes if you Expel yourself. So basically, you get to spend 12 flippin' minutes constantly moving and constantly paying attention, just so some **** (who you can't kill if he doesn't let you, since he WILL get a free window to run away) can try to kill you before the game itself even knows what happened. And should you manage to regularly beat him (because he has downs syndrome or something), then he'll likely react to your victory by stalking your *** for AGES until either someone attacks you or you attack someone else. Then, when you're highly distracted and low on HP/genie energy/chi, he'll kill you. He'll keep doing this, basically denying you of your right to PK, all because you shattered his ego. So much fun.

Dimitrik - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The "screenshot or it didn't happen" thing is pretty ridiculous. According to this argument, it's literally and completely impossible to survive a sparked 5 APS sin attack. Like this is an absolutely foregone conclusion.

But hey, I'm a troll, right? That's what you're implying? Nothing I'm saying here has any credibility in the land of logic or reasoning.

I hate to pull the Core Connect card here, but you don't appear to have a character past level 70.

Write down and memorize your tactics, level yourself to 100, and fight against what we're talking about.

I'll value your conclusion then.